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Post by Seera1024 on Apr 20, 2017 1:23:30 GMT
Please go read up on Duke Nukem Forever. You might change your mind on there being no point where it's publish or perish. You get more time the longer you hold off on announcing it. But once you announce it, you put a clock on when people will care enough about the game to get the costs back out of it. Without knowing how many times EA gave Bioware a deadline extension it's impossible to say who has the most blame for the faults not being gone at launch. It's probably a mixture. Bioware for not utilizing time well (took too long to realize the No Man's Sky route wasn't going to pan out) and EA for not giving enough time on the deadline extensions (underestimating how long it would take to fix bugs, didn't factor in the employees leaving, etc). There is a difference between a game that took 15 years to finish and was remade with multiple engine and a creator that went crazy over things, and take two did not own 3d realms like EA owns Bioware. So if EA wants the project to be finished they can go ahead and tell their employees to quick it up. They don,t have to sue 3d realms like take two had to do, these situations are completely different. MEA did have a troubled production but not to that point. Andromeda would have just needed a few more months before it would have been significantly better, hell 2 weeks and a half after that and this controversy with facial animation would have been much less big if the patch 1.05 was included from the beginning. And Ea could have easily taked that time. By the way announcment can be delayed, just like andromeda was at first announced for the end of 2016, it could have easily been delayed again, just like blizzard game did for years of pushing back the release date of their games. So no that,s certainly not a clock like you say it is. And from everything I know, EA only gave them ONE delay for MEA, it would have just needed one more and the game would not have been overshadowed by controversy. That is 100% EA decision to release it in this state, they are the publisher and the owner. You were claiming that there is no point where a publisher can say it's time to release the game. Duke Nukem proves otherwise. It allows for crazy developments and changes mid-cycle. That's only one that we know of. Who knows how many others were given. And maybe Bioware asked for too long of an extension instead of one it knew it could get. Given the information that we know, we can't assign blame to just one of the groups. All that being said, I'd say it's probably more on EA's shoulders than Bioware's. EA's had a past of not giving obvious extensions to their games.
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Post by wolfsite on Apr 20, 2017 1:29:15 GMT
You know, CDPR actually released 16 DLCs for free and 2 paid DLCs with a lot of content? I mean A LOT of content. Not just one or two hour but actually 20-25 hours of gametime content with actual story. Just a thing about those 16 DLC's, many of them are small things like New Game+ which many games normally ship standard and the rest is so small if any other company did that people would just accused them of cutting content out to put back in later for free praise and goodwill. Also you can't really compare the DLC's because CDPR never had to release DLC on 360 or PS3 which has size restrictions/caps on there DLC which limited what developers could do, they later found workarounds by splitting the DLC into parts but that is more expensive since they need to certify each part. Once we got into PS4/XOne territory DLC had the file size restrictions were removed allowing for larger DLC Packs.
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Post by malgus on Apr 20, 2017 1:35:53 GMT
You were claiming that there is no point where a publisher can say it's time to release the game. Duke Nukem proves otherwise. It allows for crazy developments and changes mid-cycle. That's only one that we know of. Who knows how many others were given. And maybe Bioware asked for too long of an extension instead of one it knew it could get. Given the information that we know, we can't assign blame to just one of the groups. All that being said, I'd say it's probably more on EA's shoulders than Bioware's. EA's had a past of not giving obvious extensions to their games. EA could have just said, "Ok guys right now it's just polishing, I know you may have other ideas but right now we focus on polish and only that, and we are going to take the time to finish it". They had the freedom to do that because they OWN bioware, its their company so they can control what happens. If a crazy creator start to have crazy projects and is delusional, they can stop him in a snaps of a finger if that is what they want. I am not saying that this is what happen with MEA I am just saying that contrarly to the duke nukem exemple, they have much more power in this case. take two had no such freedom with duke nukem forever because they did not own 3drealms so the creator was able to make his crazy things for a long time before they could take control back of the projects. EA had 100% the control of MEA so a prolonged amount of of time to finish it would not have been disastrous, it would have way better for the reputation of both companies. In the end EA did not did any of that, they did not took the time to polish MEA when they had all the powers to do it. But they still decided to release MEA without the polish it needed.
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Post by laudable11 on Apr 20, 2017 1:40:39 GMT
I wonder what percentage of time and budget was wasted on that procedural generation bullcrap.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 1:48:40 GMT
You know, CDPR actually released 16 DLCs for free and 2 paid DLCs with a lot of content? I mean A LOT of content. Not just one or two hour but actually 20-25 hours of gametime content with actual story. Just a thing about those 16 DLC's, many of them are small things like New Game+ which many games normally ship standard and the rest is so small if any other company did that people would just accused them of cutting content out to put back in later for free praise and goodwill. Also you can't really compare the DLC's because CDPR never had to release DLC on 360 or PS3 which has size restrictions/caps on there DLC which limited what developers could do, they later found workarounds by splitting the DLC into parts but that is more expensive since they need to certify each part. Once we got into PS4/XOne territory DLC had the file size restrictions were removed allowing for larger DLC Packs. Didn't BW not make DLC for the old console generation?
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Post by wolfsite on Apr 20, 2017 1:54:38 GMT
Just a thing about those 16 DLC's, many of them are small things like New Game+ which many games normally ship standard and the rest is so small if any other company did that people would just accused them of cutting content out to put back in later for free praise and goodwill. Also you can't really compare the DLC's because CDPR never had to release DLC on 360 or PS3 which has size restrictions/caps on there DLC which limited what developers could do, they later found workarounds by splitting the DLC into parts but that is more expensive since they need to certify each part. Once we got into PS4/XOne territory DLC had the file size restrictions were removed allowing for larger DLC Packs. Didn't BW not make DLC for the old console generation? They made DLC for Dragon Age: Origins, DA2, Mass Effect 1-3, all made during the old generation (Inquisition was also released for the older generation as well and didn't get all of the DLC). CDPR only had Witcher 2 on 360 but no DLC was released digitally.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 20, 2017 2:02:40 GMT
You know, CDPR actually released 16 DLCs for free and 2 paid DLCs with a lot of content? I mean A LOT of content. Not just one or two hour but actually 20-25 hours of gametime content with actual story. Just a thing about those 16 DLC's, many of them are small things like New Game+ which many games normally ship standard and the rest is so small if any other company did that people would just accused them of cutting content out to put back in later for free praise and goodwill. New Game+ which many games normally ship with? What? Even DA:I does have NG+ when I last played it. For the other 15 DLC, you do realize that Bioware has been actually selling such things right - like costumes. So CDPR said that due to popular demand, they will put resources into making NG+ and people believe them why? (It is more convincing now seeing how mess up the quest bugs are in ME:A NG+)Because they have earned consumer's trust. Bought TW1/TW2 on steam and are tired of DRM, come to GOG.com and we will give u a DRM free copy for free for your purchase you made... N years ago with Steam and maybe paid 1.99 for while it is on sale. We have now an enhanced edition, dont worry, you still a free upgrade because you supported our product. Why do people " accuse" some other companies? It is not rocket science, just look at their past practices of said companies and how they treat their customers and the answer will be clear as day.
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Post by wolfsite on Apr 20, 2017 2:12:15 GMT
Just a thing about those 16 DLC's, many of them are small things like New Game+ which many games normally ship standard and the rest is so small if any other company did that people would just accused them of cutting content out to put back in later for free praise and goodwill. New Game+ which many games normally ship with? What? Even DA:I does have NG+ when I last played it. For the other 15 DLC, you do realize that Bioware has been actually selling such things right - like costumes. So CDPR said that due to popular demand, they will put resources into making NG+ and people believe them why? (It is more convincing now seeing how mess up the quest bugs are in ME:A NG+)Because they have earned consumer's trust. Bought TW1/TW2 on steam and are tired of DRM, come to GOG.com and we will give u a DRM free copy for free your purchase you made... N years ago with Steam and maybe paid 1.99 for while it is on sale. We have now an enhanced edition, dont worry, you still a free upgrade because you supported our product. Why do people " accuse" some other companies? It is not rocket science, just look at their past practices of said companies and how they treat their customers and the answer will be clear as day. I said many games, if I said all games then you can complain, but since I said many games I am correct in this assesement. (Inquisition dose have the Golden Nug which transfers tons of schematics and Skyhold decorations so that is a really nice alternative to New Game+) That was GOG not CDPR that offered the free copy, they are owned by the same parent company but GOG and CDPR are considered seperate entities so you can't give credit deserving to GOG to CDPR. (an example would be if EA gave away a free copy of ME2, which they have an multiple occasions, you would say thank you "EA for giving the game away for free" since Bioware had no say in that. Past practices shouldn't dictate how you react to one specific event. A person may not like a certain company but to shit on them even when they do something good (again like giving away free items) doesn't send them the right message. If you just keep shitting on them even when doing something good they could decide "Why should we give people what they want if they are just going to attack us regardless?". The opposite is just as true, if a company starts doing bad decisions but people don't call them out on it because of great things they have done in the past you can end up with a shell of what the company was and people just keep praising them because they are keeping there blinders on to the bad because they just focus on the good they used to do........ Valve is an excellent example of this. CDPR is starting to go this way as not even a few years ago they were one of the big supporters of not charging for additional content - that you should just pay once and that's it. But now they have moved to paid DLC and people are quick to defend them because of there past practices but ignoring that they were at one time against this specific practice, it's a very slippery slope that may be difficult to come back from if people keep blowing smoke up your ass.
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Post by jf8350143 on Apr 20, 2017 2:20:17 GMT
You know, they could make a plan about making a awesome game in 5 years with 40m budget, the plan could be perfect, but in the end a plan is a plan.
Anything could go wrong, all we know is they don't have enough budget and time to polish the game, but we don't know what really happened in the development process, so we can't really decide who to blame.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 20, 2017 2:43:17 GMT
I said many games, if I said all games then you can complain, but since I said many games I am correct in this assesement. That was GOG not CDPR that offered the free copy, they are owned by the same parent company but GOG and CDPR are considered seperate entities so you can't give credit deserving to GOG to CDPR. (an example would be if EA gave away a free copy of ME2, which they have an multiple occasions, you would say thank you "EA for giving the game away for free" since Bioware had no say in that. Past practices shouldn't dictate how you react to one specific event. A person may not like a certain company but to shit on them even when they do something good (again like giving away free items) doesn't send them the right message. If you just keep shitting on them even when doing something good they could decide "Why should we give people what they want if they are just going to attack us regardless?". The opposite is just as true, if a company starts doing bad decisions but people don't call them out on it because of great things they have done in the past you can end up with a shell of what the company was and people just keep praising them because they are keeping there blinders on to the bad because they just focus on the good they used to do........ Valve is an excellent example of this. CDPR is starting to go this way as not even a few years ago they were one of the big supporters of not charging for additional content - that you should just pay once and that's it. But now they have moved to paid DLC and people are quick to defend them because of there past practices but ignoring that they were at one time against this specific practice, it's a very slippery slope that may be difficult to come back from if people keep blowing smoke up your ass. I am not saying that past practices should be used to judge current events. But trust is built on past practices and once you screwed up, whatever comes your way is payback and that is reality. "Why should I give people what they want if they are just going to attack me regardless?" Because you freaking screwed up and you have to own it by continue to win back your customers until said customer decides to forgive and forget. United Airlines is great at dragging paid customers off planes, they should not try to change now because we are going to give that company hell regardless of what they do in the near future and that is a fact. Deal with it or just remove yourself from the industry all together - reality. Paid DLC - a DLC that won Best RPG 2016. That is how the industry as a whole sees how different their "DLC" is compared to the rest. A DLC that rivals and surpasses many full game selling at full $60 in length, content and quality. They also made it very clear that these are Expansions (like expansions in the past) caliber DLC from the get go. Are people just blindly "defending" them? Have you seen and play Blood and Wine? Blindly belittling the effort and goodwill of another to defend a company that is clearly everything opposite is silly. EA/Bioware has a lot to atone for and nothing less than continuous excellence will change people's views about them. If they feel that it is unfair, well they can choose to ignore and close shop. What "did" EA/Bioware try to do right here? Ian Frazier cant even take criticism like a man. Are we blind? Even if you dont care about the clearly abysmal eyes and animation you cannot deny they exists. Does Mr. Frazier came out and apologize and try to explain to customers what went wrong from the get go? No! Still in denial today. [ If you just keep shitting on them even when doing something good they could decide "Why should we give people what they want if they are just going to attack us regardless?".] What you are suggesting is like this: "Yeah yeah we are fixing it, you people should be happy that we are doing this. If you people dont appreciate our effort in fixing our own shit, we probably wont fix our shit in the future" No! It is your freaking responsibility to fix and no gratitude can and should be expected for fixing your own mess. At best you will get is an acknowledgement. The hate Bioware is receiving today is proportional to the love and respect they enjoyed in the past. If CDPR screws up - they will suffer a fate that is more gruesome than Bioware.
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Post by wolfsite on Apr 20, 2017 3:10:29 GMT
I said many games, if I said all games then you can complain, but since I said many games I am correct in this assesement. That was GOG not CDPR that offered the free copy, they are owned by the same parent company but GOG and CDPR are considered seperate entities so you can't give credit deserving to GOG to CDPR. (an example would be if EA gave away a free copy of ME2, which they have an multiple occasions, you would say thank you "EA for giving the game away for free" since Bioware had no say in that. Past practices shouldn't dictate how you react to one specific event. A person may not like a certain company but to shit on them even when they do something good (again like giving away free items) doesn't send them the right message. If you just keep shitting on them even when doing something good they could decide "Why should we give people what they want if they are just going to attack us regardless?". The opposite is just as true, if a company starts doing bad decisions but people don't call them out on it because of great things they have done in the past you can end up with a shell of what the company was and people just keep praising them because they are keeping there blinders on to the bad because they just focus on the good they used to do........ Valve is an excellent example of this. CDPR is starting to go this way as not even a few years ago they were one of the big supporters of not charging for additional content - that you should just pay once and that's it. But now they have moved to paid DLC and people are quick to defend them because of there past practices but ignoring that they were at one time against this specific practice, it's a very slippery slope that may be difficult to come back from if people keep blowing smoke up your ass. I am not saying that past practices should be used to judge current events. But trust is built on past practices and once you screwed up, whatever comes your way is payback and that is reality. "Why should I give people what they want if they are just going to attack me regardless?" Because you freaking screwed up and you have to own it by continue to win back your customers until said customer decides to forgive and forget. United Airlines is great at dragging paid customers off planes, they should not try to change now because we are going to give that company hell regardless of what they do in the near future and that is a fact. Deal with it or just remove yourself from the industry all together - reality. Paid DLC - a DLC that won Best RPG 2016. That is how the industry as a whole sees how different their "DLC" is compared to the rest. A DLC that rivals and surpasses many full game selling at full $60 in length, content and quality. They also made it very clear that these are Expansions (like expansions in the past) caliber DLC from the get go. Are people just blindly "defending" them? Have you seen and play Blood and Wine? Blindly belittling the effort and goodwill of another to defend a company that is clearly everything opposite is silly. EA/Bioware has a lot to atone for and nothing less than continuous excellence will change people's views about them. If they feel that it is unfair, well they can choose to ignore and close shop. What "did" EA/Bioware try to do right here? Ian Frazier cant even take criticism like a man. Are we blind? Even if you dont care about the clearly abysmal eyes and animation you cannot deny they exists. Does Mr. Frazier came out and apologize and try to explain to customers what went wrong from the get go? No! Still in denial today. [ If you just keep shitting on them even when doing something good they could decide "Why should we give people what they want if they are just going to attack us regardless?".] What you are suggesting is like this: "Yeah yeah we are fixing it, you people should be happy that we are doing this. If you people dont appreciate our effort in fixing our own shit, we probably wont fix our shit in the future" No! It is your freaking responsibility to fix and no gratitude can and should be expected for fixing your own mess. At best you will get is an acknowledgement. The hate Bioware is receiving today is proportional to the love and respect they enjoyed in the past. If CDPR screws up - they will suffer a fate that is more gruesome than Bioware. Using United isn't really a proper example as it is comparing an entertainment product you have a choice to buy or not buy to being forceably removed from a plane against your will along with getting badly injured. EA have shown vast improvements in the last 6 months, Titanfall 2 has no Season pass and tons of free DLC. Star Wars Battlefront 2 is shaping up to be the game that the first one should have been which shows they are listening to the fans (plus the Season Pas may be left out here as well). EA has released tons of free games and DLC overthe past year but no one talks about it because they keep talking about what happenned 2-3 even 5 years ago. Which enforces the negative trope despite the fact that they are doing some positive decisions. The On the House Program they have has given out plenty of free games and DLC with no need to buy anything. The Origin/EA Access program has actually turned into a rather affordable program to get access to a lot of games ($30 for the year (when I got it) is honestly a really good deal for the amount of content that is offered. Hell many people are upset with Sony that they didn't agree to offer the program and other companies are looking into emulating it. Hell look at things with the patches for Andromeda. People are shitting on them because the patches weren't out 2 days ago but if they rush the patch out it could cause other problems which then people will just be "why the hell did you rush the patch?" despite the fact that is what the fans wanted them to do. and people are being cautious with some decisions that CDPR and GOG have been making that past few months. Many people are not happy with the GOG Galaxy Client as it may lead them to introduce a form of DRM (there were some instances were games could only be downloaded or updated in Galaxy, some people may have over-reacted but it is something to think about) this is not my thoughts on Galaxy as you do need some form of client for the Multi player components of some games. I myself am seeing people treating CDPR the way they treated Valve. they just looked the other way when Valve started doing some questionable decisions and attacked people who tried to criticize and now we have a company that open teaes there fan base with a game that will never see the light of day and an online store that is overflowing with poor quality games and asset flips for quick money and an economy based selling and reselling digital items like hats and cards and trying to turn player created content into a paid service that publishers can profit on while the fan's do all the work. Also I don't follow people on social media as it is easy for someone to react without thinking, there have been many a time where someone hit that send button and then instantly regretted it. we are human and humans can do stupid things, social media just unfairly amplifies that.
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Post by slimgrin on Apr 20, 2017 3:27:48 GMT
The opposite is just as true, if a company starts doing bad decisions but people don't call them out on it because of great things they have done in the past you can end up with a shell of what the company was and people just keep praising them because they are keeping there blinders on to the bad because they just focus on the good they used to do........ Valve is an excellent example of this. CDPR is starting to go this way as not even a few years ago they were one of the big supporters of not charging for additional content - that you should just pay once and that's it. But now they have moved to paid DLC and people are quick to defend them because of there past practices but ignoring that they were at one time against this specific practice, it's a very slippery slope that may be difficult to come back from if people keep blowing smoke up your ass. Their track record for releasing quality DLC, free or otherwise, is stellar. So what if they held some stuff back in that 16 DLC package? That's obvious. But looking at the overall amount of free DLC in the series, and the quality of paid DLC, I have zero complaints.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 20, 2017 4:00:52 GMT
Many people forgot that it was certainly not a full studio working for five years on MEA, Bioware montreal worked to make ME 3 multiplayer dlc and Omega dlc, that ended I believe in february 28 of 2013. the full team was not working on this game for 5 years, at best it was for four. adding to that the tons of creator who left during production, the development of this game was completely chaothic and troubled production can destroy many products, not just games but movies, series, etc. There is not one specific people to blame in these types of case, sometimes it just sucks that there is too many things that happen at the wrong time. By the way many people loves to innocent EA saying that "oh bioware had 5 years so that is their fault", sorry to tell you that is still the job of EA to publish the game, they knew that Mass effect andromeda was not as good as it should have been and they still decided to release it. And if they did not knew about the products they were selling, well that means they are incompetent. EA should have seen that the game needed more polish, they should have seen that it needed more time, its the fucking job of EA to see that the game needs more development because they are the one selling it, its their job to look into that before they sell it to the consumer.It's not that simple. Time is money and more development and polish means more money to pay the studio to continue working. The game would have just been over-budget and by not releasing the game at the end of EA's fiscal year would have led to a financial loss for EA. Delaying isn't always a practical option, and oftentimes it's simply not an option at all. MEA was delayed as much as it conceivably could be without pushing it outside of its projected fiscal year. BioWare had far more time than most to make this game. Due to BioWare's legacy, EA gives BioWare a lot of leniency in terms of how they develop video games. The same courtesy isn't shown to other studios, such as DICE and Visceral Games (look at Battlefield 4 and Dead Space 3). Truth be told, BioWare's the one largely at fault for MEA's shortcomings. Five years is more time than most studios ever get on a game (only Blizzard, Rockstar, Irrational Games, and a few others have that luxury of development time). For whatever reason, BioWare failed to make the game as solid as it should have been at release. That's not to say it's a buggy, unplayable mess like some games at launch. MEA is certainly playable. However, the point remains that there are still lingering issues that BioWare still has yet to address. Game development is hard and very few studios are fortunate enough to have the time they need to make truly exceptional experiences. MEA is a very fun game, but it's those glaring issues that really takes wind out of it's sails and undermines the whole experience.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Apr 20, 2017 4:07:11 GMT
Problem is EA and their divisions don't care about players. They only care about profits. Oh, yeah. I forgot how a wildly criticized game with bugs and glitches makes higher profits than a well-done, polished game. Makes total sense. I never understand that argument. "EA only cares about money, not the players." Players are the ones buying the game, and so to get the most profit, they need to make the best game. I understand that at a point there is diminishing returns and the like. You can't have a 20-year development cycle to make the most amazing game ever for $300 million and expect to make a profit. However, we see that a 5 year development cycle is pretty average or long, and $40 million for a AAA game is about right for what other companies seem to be spending. Yes, I know TW3 is in Poland it's cheaper to make games there, blah blah blah. But just ballparking it, $40 million is around what a AAA game costs. So why wouldn't EA want to make a great game? Why wouldn't they want a polished game that everyone says "Oh, man! You have got to play this!" The "EA only cares about profits" makes no sense. Better games make more money. 2-3 million copies sold vs 6 million copies sold is $180 million difference. Gross, of course, but still. Please please please explain to me how a company wanting to make money off of their game means that the game will be crap. And relying on a bait-and-switch with Mass Effect fans where they think "Oh, we can make MEA for cheap and total shit because all the Mass Effect fans will buy it" makes no sense, because it was never like Mass Effect was a juggernaut for sales. It was critically acclaimed, but nothing absolutely spectacular sales-wise. Especially after ME3 endings, relying on nostalgia to sell the game seems way to risky. So why wouldn't EA want to make a good game? The "EA doesn't care about gamers, only profits" argument makes zero sense.
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Post by kino on Apr 20, 2017 4:56:00 GMT
I can agree with this premise, especially since they're two completely different games.
Sad thing is, I remember when DA:I won GOTY one of the first congratulatory tweets to BioWare was from CDPR. When TW3 won GOTY the following year one of the first congratulatory tweets to CDPR was from BioWare.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 20, 2017 5:01:59 GMT
Using United isn't really a proper example as it is comparing an entertainment product you have a choice to buy or not buy to being forceably removed from a plane against your will along with getting badly injured. EA have shown vast improvements in the last 6 months, Titanfall 2 has no Season pass and tons of free DLC. Star Wars Battlefront 2 is shaping up to be the game that the first one should have been which shows they are listening to the fans (plus the Season Pas may be left out here as well). EA has released tons of free games and DLC overthe past year but no one talks about it because they keep talking about what happenned 2-3 even 5 years ago. Which enforces the negative trope despite the fact that they are doing some positive decisions. The On the House Program they have has given out plenty of free games and DLC with no need to buy anything. The Origin/EA Access program has actually turned into a rather affordable program to get access to a lot of games ($30 for the year (when I got it) is honestly a really good deal for the amount of content that is offered. Hell many people are upset with Sony that they didn't agree to offer the program and other companies are looking into emulating it. Hell look at things with the patches for Andromeda. People are shitting on them because the patches weren't out 2 days ago but if they rush the patch out it could cause other problems which then people will just be "why the hell did you rush the patch?" despite the fact that is what the fans wanted them to do. and people are being cautious with some decisions that CDPR and GOG have been making that past few months. Many people are not happy with the GOG Galaxy Client as it may lead them to introduce a form of DRM (there were some instances were games could only be downloaded or updated in Galaxy, some people may have over-reacted but it is something to think about) this is not my thoughts on Galaxy as you do need some form of client for the Multi player components of some games. I myself am seeing people treating CDPR the way they treated Valve. they just looked the other way when Valve started doing some questionable decisions and attacked people who tried to criticize and now we have a company that open teaes there fan base with a game that will never see the light of day and an online store that is overflowing with poor quality games and asset flips for quick money and an economy based selling and reselling digital items like hats and cards and trying to turn player created content into a paid service that publishers can profit on while the fan's do all the work. Also I don't follow people on social media as it is easy for someone to react without thinking, there have been many a time where someone hit that send button and then instantly regretted it. we are human and humans can do stupid things, social media just unfairly amplifies that. You cannot force your level of tolerance onto others. Objective fact is, many got burnt in the past. EA maybe trying to do something but each individual will decide if it is good enough. If the majority dont think it is good enough then they have 2 choices: 1. Like you say stop doing anything. 2. Do better. You think that EA Access is great, I dont. DAI for example, you can play the base game but not the DLC, just cheap promotion. Why do I need EA access to play/test ME:A? You think it is okay, I think it is not because their reputation is already dirt and they need all the positive publicity. You are very forgiving and you are clearly a fan of EA/Bioware. Objectively, they get no praises from me for fixing things that should not have been broken before launch. They owe me and they are still owing me because still tons of glitches/bugs that needs fixed. I have never used or need the gog client so I wont comment on that. As for the final part, I suspect you are talking about my comments about Ian Frazier. No, he equated criticism to "gut punch" and said he does not like it in an interview. He never acknowledge the faults. Am I to believe that nobody in Bioware saw all the glitches? 5 years and I am to believe that many of the visual issues are not seen? Glitches and crashes that plagues me I am more forgiving because I know that Bioware Montreal is a B rate studio that is inexperience and incompetent. Just say: My team sux and we are working hard to make things right. You dont see similarities between United and EA/Bioware. Yes, their actions/industry/circumstances are different but the core of the issue is that corporation like these do not respect their customers. They forgot that the customers feed them, their spouse, their children and their dogs and cats too. What difference is Ian Frazier from Oscar Munoz? Both screwed up and instead of coming out and apologize straight away, they try to deflect the problem. I can understand that some being forgiving. Unfortunately, the industry/critics/players as a whole is not. Just look at the review scores. Nobody will cut EA/Bioware any slack anymore. They either deliver excellence or continue to be grilled. People will put everything they do under a microscope and grill them for anything they can find. That is the objective fact. For me, if EA wants to redeem themselves, make a great game at the expense of their profit and throw their stupid company rules (ie, every EA game needs to use Frostbite, needs MP etc) away. Then I will wipe the past clean and assess them afresh.
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Post by mordivier on Apr 20, 2017 5:18:47 GMT
I would argue the "open-world" experience of MEA more closely imitates Dragon Age: Inquisition. The only difference is the more "impactful" aspect of the fetch and randomized tasks you receive in MEA have more audio lines attached to them.
That is not saying much. They did a slightly better job at it.
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Post by projectpatdc on Apr 20, 2017 5:46:36 GMT
CDPR is an independent studio who can freely decide when the game is good to Launch while bioware is EA games'bitch doing whatever they tell them and releasing the game when the boss wants Being independent or just a slave is the most important factor, not just how much they had as budget MEA is Witcher 3 in space. Why would I not compare?? No other game really comes as close to Witcher 3. MEA has much better combat and RPG progression but Witcher 3 does the quests, stories, character animations better. Witcher 3 also feels more organic in terms of atmosphere of the world/venue
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 20, 2017 6:47:34 GMT
This is what being independent really means - latest reports from CDPR are saying that "Cyberpunk 2077 Pre-Production Till 2016 Has Been Trashed". They are not happy with the results ? Ok, let's try again. That's why I'm sure, that Cyberpunk will be an AMAZING game, and doesn't matter it will be out 2018 or 2020 - cause it will be out, when it will be ready. Just wondering, if Andromeda will have 1 more year, how different it will be...
Other thing is - YOU HAVE TO COMPARE ANDROMEDA TO WITCHER 3 - for 1 simple reason - CDPR shows how to do amazing game win the open-world, with amazing and deep characters, with beautiful graphics, emotional soundtrack, great main story and unbelievable well done side-quests. They just shows the right direction ! More than 250 awards, millions satisfied players and great reviews flying through the net. Everyone should learn that lesson and follow it.
And their politics about DLC ? OMG. I buy Witcher 3 season pass on day 1, for £22, and in that price I got two ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC stories, more than 20 hours long, probably the best DLC's I ever played in my life. Compare it to Deus Ex Mankind Divided, with DLC's 2-3 hours long. Mankind Divided is also the only game released in last 2 years I didn't finished, cause I get SO BORED at some point during my playthrough. Just waste of money.
So yeah, we all have to compare, and we all have TO DEMAND games like Witcher 3. Cause this is the only right direction.
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Post by helios969 on Apr 20, 2017 8:15:16 GMT
Well, CDPR created a new standard for a AAA RPG, and fair or no everything is going to be expected to be at that level to be considered GOTY worthy regardless of business model or development budget. I still maintain the biggest problem in MEA is the cumbersome travelling sequence. If for example in TW3 each time you wanted to travel between major countries/continents you had to go through 5 minutes of unskippable cutscenes and interfaces, that would have hugely detracted from the overall experience. Anything and everything can and will be compared.
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Post by Estaq99 on Apr 20, 2017 8:17:29 GMT
Why not? Mea compares very favorably to Witcher 3 This is what I've been telling every one. Forget about the mediocre TW3. Only MEA is the standard to what any past, present and future +AAA RPG game needs to be compare with. Such compelling writing (it really set the bar way to the sky), its never before achieved degree of polished animations, unforgettable characters, its so well integrated story and extremely fun-to-do side questing that seamlessly move players throughout the game all the way to the end, not to mention how the game is almost completely devoid of bugs and glitches. Special mention to MEA's soundtrack, which is just epic. I was shivering and goosebumping on almost every scene.. In other words, a jewel to be replayed for eternity.
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Post by cotheer on Apr 20, 2017 8:19:35 GMT
Witcher 3 and its fans need to die
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Post by xan84 on Apr 20, 2017 8:22:49 GMT
CDPR is an independent studio who can freely decide when the game is good to Launch while bioware is EA games'bitch doing whatever they tell them and releasing the game when the boss wants Being independent or just a slave is the most important factor, not just how much they had as budget Nop, all of that is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is the product they SELL and I am BUYING. I really don't give a damn what problems you have in providing that product, just like people don't give a damn of what problems the firm I work at has in producing a product. We are the CLIENTS and we are buying a product. We compare it to whatever we want. Again, being a slave or independent is irrelevant to the client, aka us. I also don't care for the budget. All I care is the product's quality and how much they charge for it. That is it. Everything else is completely irrelevant and this does not apply just to games. If I go out to buy a new TV, a sofa or even a pair of pants. Meaningless.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 20, 2017 8:27:45 GMT
Why not? Mea compares very favorably to Witcher 3 This is what I've been telling every one. Forget about the mediocre TW3. Only MEA is the standard to what any past, present and future +AAA RPG game needs to be compare with. Such compelling writing (it really set the bar way to the sky), its never before achieved degree of polished animations, unforgettable characters, its so well integrated story and extremely fun-to-do side questing that seamlessly move players throughout the game all the way to the end, not to mention how the game is almost completely devoid of bugs and glitches. In other words, a jewel to be replayed for eternity. *sniffs the air* I sense...sarcasm. 2/10 and you only get that due to sheer force of will.
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Post by RakiaTime on Apr 20, 2017 8:42:46 GMT
Witcher 3 and its fans need to die Lol yes, my hatred for that game is endless, the protagonist, the storyand the setting are imo terrible, and the whole eastern european feel to the world makes me vomit Seriously the only good thing about it is the treatment of elves
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