Things that don't make sense (v2)

That doesn't make sense lol.
It's not Shepard's opinion or interpretation of facts that dictates what Cerberus is there for. They are there because of the plot - a plot which doesn't provide a clear explanation for why they are there so of all things, if the scene was mainly there to showcase brutal-factor, why does Shepard ponder to our awareness what Cerberus's motive is rather than a renegade line like "Tell Illusive Man you all end up like this if you get in our way" or "you brought this upon yourselves". The tone of the scene implies gore-factor as much as it generates plot-related questions in the player. If that was intended to let us interpret things our way, Shepard should've had a dialogue option.

Prffff, who uses the Wiki? (BioWare do) it's fan-transcribed lore based on what you can see on face-value in the games. I would be more impressed with using Wiki as an argument if it was based off of BioWare's internal documents, but it isn't. Half of it could be made-up headcanon bs. If you wanna make a counterargument with me, don't refer to the Wiki as I will not bother with it.

But I stand by what I said so let's agree to disagree. I still think it shows how they had a draft most likely, then iterated when they decided Cerberus' indoctrination should be more procedural, someone at BioWare or a tester said "But why is Cerberus here? Why does hindering a Krogan alliance help them control Reapers?" and they realized Cerberus's prescence was suddenly deeply questionable when it weren't before, thus they made the ending shot of the mission where Shepard asks the brutalized Cerberus trooper about the shaky plot he's in and doesn't get an answer because BioWare love to highlight a problem without addressing it.

Lastly, I'm not interested in what it "could mean". I have various justifications myself. I was merely pointing out that it shows how BioWare weren't sure themselves in this scene.

Yes I admit it's speculative. Nobody has been on record saying "yeeah, we really didn't have a clue there." so you can only assume one way or the other, but the reason I assume so much is not because I'm this sniveling bastard who is looking for ways to make BioWare look bad, it's because that's just the way the scene always came across to me. When I watched it first I was like "pfff, that was edgy... wait, why IS Cerberus there?" and then I didn't get a good answer, so on subsequnet playthroughs I always brushed that scene of as trying to lampshade-hang a shaky plot.

Then, when I saw that youtube clip of Shepard calling Cerberus indoctrinated coupling with how Mac repeatedly talked about "Cerberus have sided with the Reapers!" in interviews in 2011 (before the big iteration around august) it became clear as day to me that that is what this was.

Again, I assume because it came across to me the way it did. Otherwise I'd have no motivation to do so. But I get what you mean, that it's generally not a good idea to assume what other people may have thought or intended. I'm okay with not being 100% rational all the time as I think it's a limitation and I've always been told by various people that i have good intuition, so I'll go with that.

True... but I think the best explanation is provided in ME2 from Rupert Gardner:  "The Alliance and Council have got their heads buried so deep up their buttpuckers they can't see squat."

Something that caught my attention: The Sushi Bar Joker meets you at is hosted by a Frenchman and owned by aliens....Sushi is a Japanese dish...I will be taking this up with the Council, as a Human Spectre I feel obligated to make this right. HEADS WILL ROLL!

Meh... happens where I live ALL the time.  Somebody starts an ethnic restaurant and then sells out to a person of a different ethnicity who decides to ride on the reputation already established by not changing the menu.  As long as the food is good... oh, but I forgot, you were the one who broke their floor.   When it finally reopens, it will probably be owned by a Krogan who will just use whatever fish he can catch from the lake on the Presidium slathered in that Tummy Tingling Tuchanka Sauce they use at that Fish Dog Food Shack place.

It's not like the Salarian councilor puts up some CQC when Leng attacks him just because some Salarians are STG. I don't really think Tevos is a fighter and unlike Udina she doesn't feel any incentive to run around with a gun or create a coup.

Shepard keeps putting synthetics next to EDI's AI core. Wouldn't that just make it easier to potentially infect EDI? Legion and Dr. Eva Core are both placed there. Seems like a poor decision. Better to put them in Zaeed's room in the garbage compactor/ejector to easily get rid of them if they're dangerous.

Ah yes. The coup.

Riddle me this....

When is an assassin not an assassin?

Let me introduce the characters.

Here we have dumb, dumber and dumbest. They will be played by Thane, Leng and Kirrahe

And for a supporting cast, there is Commander Dumba** and squadmates useless and worthless

Leng jumps down behind the councilor? Why didn't he kill her right away? Is it because he's really not an assassin? If he did that, most likely would be in his getaway vehicle before Shepard landed on the ground after jumping out the window. He would encounter Ashley/Kaidan killing them very easily. He is the reason the plan failed. Shepard wasn't the reason

With Thane, he puts his handgun to Lengs head. Shoot the guy, but he doesn't. Why? Is it because his syndrome thing not only effects him physically, but mentally as well? So he and Leng fight. Leng is thrown to the ground. Good. Now shoot the guy. Wait a minute. What's the supporting cast doing? Up gets Leng huffing an puffing. You knocked me down. You will pay.

The next scene is really an instructional one. The purpose was Thane  showing what happens when playing chicken instead of firing at Leng from a distance. He succeeded. I'll give him credit for that. Did you see the technique with the way Leng stabbed Thane? Awesome. He runs away.

Shepard  chases him. Turns around and says, How bad is it? Really? Wait a minute. I would expect no less from Commander Dumba**. Thane could've redeemed himself by shooting Dumba** in the gut saying, You tell me.

Lets look at Kirrahe.

The whole time Leng is face-palming the councilor, Kirrahe was just standing there. How hard would it have been to shoot Leng or even hit his arm? Most likely Leng would run away and Kirrahe would remain living. Again the supporting cast turned the other cheek.

If Kirrahe and Thane are not in ME3, the councilor is killed just like in a default playthrough.

Lets go back to Sur'Kesh.

If Kirrahe is alive, Shepard can speak with him. If Thane is not in ME3, Kirrahe will say he's been assigned to security detail for the councilor. If Thane is in ME3, Kirrahe won't say that line. Why? How does he know Thane or anyone would come to the councilor's defense? How different would that scene play out if both were there? It's possible Leng might be injured before getting away.
I believe I mentioned that in this thread.