Things that don't make sense (v2)

I'm just not hearing anything in what Liara says that so specific that she couldn't have just made those sorts of assumptions even at the time in the game where she shows Shepard her prototype.  She's confident at that point that the crucible will get built and finished and, AFAIK, there is no scenario in the game where the Crucible is left so unfinished that it's not docked with the Citadel and there's no situation in the game where the Alliance faces off against the Crucible totally on their own (without at least some alien allied forces).  So, I think she is speculating with good reason rather than actually "knowing" what happened.  If her speculations had been incorrect, then the capsule would just contain an erroneous message that would mislead the ones who found it about what had occurred in history (and it's not like that hasn't happened before IRL).

Bus Liara doesn't mention Thessia or Chronos.  She only says they fought the Reapers "as a united galaxy" and lost.  She says the capsule contains a recounting of the war, but we have no way to know where the recounting actually cuts off.  Once the Turians join the cause, the "united galaxy" criteria exists and her prototype is definitely unfinished at that point in the game because she doesn't bring it to Shepard until after that point.   Even the conversation with the stargazer after the credits is not specific as to what point the war has been recounted.  I hear absolutely nothing about how the war ended that is so specific in can't be based on speculation.

Keep up with that assumption of yours. I asked a question. If it was another character, I would have asked the same thing.

I do have to say that he will have the same discussions with anyone having a differing viewpoint.  It's not just you.  He and I have gone back and forth on different topics.  It never led to any hard feelings, even if we ultimately didn't agree.

Yes, he hates Liara.  That's not in dispute.  I'm not sure that translates into racism.  Maybe I jut missed or forgot a general dislike of asari.  I don't think so, though.  He seems to like Shiala from ME1 and Tela Vasir from Lair of the Shadow Broker.  Doesn't sound like racism to me unless not liking one person from a race is racism.  This discussion, however, is strictly limited to one person in particular.

I already get where you're coming from about the the time capsules.  I can see where they would go out about a failure and, if we won, could be retrieved later on.  By the time we lose it might be too late to disseminate.  Liara did say she might live a hundred years or so and watch the galaxy die. However, I'm not sure she'd be able to travel much to disperse the capsules.  I think it would have to be done in advance.

I don't believe so.

What I like to know is why didn't Vega park the shuttle at the door instead of where he did?

I wonder why he didn't just park it on the roof of the archives to start with.  Hackett did mention that he was sending there because of research being done "at the Prothean Archives."

Possible.  However, Liara points to the archives from the window when she's first talking with Shepard, Vega and the VS.  It's after that when Shepard sends Vega off to get the shuttle.  Why didn't everyone just leave with him then and fly over in the shuttle instead of racing Cerberus through the facility (even requiring them to take the tram)?

What we see is a marine kneeling, hands behind his head, head tilted down.  He doesn't move or try to resist.  I always found that odd.

I do remember that.  What I was getting at is there seemed to be a setup for why the marines didn't fight back.  Like mind control or something.

There isn't any other indications that mind control was going on.  A perfect opportunity to show that sort of thing if they were hinting at that would have been to have the guy talking on the comms turn and interact with Dr. Eva in a manner that showed she was controlling him.  Instead they really just show him being caught by surprise.

A few possibilities. Vega didn't know the shuttle had weapons. Or it didn't have weapons. If he did use the mini-me cannons, he may have destroyed the shuttle causing the loss of the data the eva bot had. 

I don't have an answer as to why it didn't have the turret in the shuttle for when they went to Menae or other missions except Rannoch. I like to know where the turret was on the Normandy before it was used on the shuttle and where it was after Rannoch. For now, I will call it, 'the plot demanded a turret for that scene'.

Not saying he wouldn't have discussions with anyone else just our discussions always seem to end up with him grasping at straws to keep his point. And by straws I mean stupid irrelevant things that wouldn't change anything but wants to complain about them anyways. Like Hackett not sending someone to check on the Crucible as to why it didn't fire. Regardless of if Hackett did or not it was clear it will not fire unless the Catalyst consents it to fire and the Catalyst is in a hidden area that no other organic being dispite millions of cumulative years of races living on the Citadel has ever been found.

The racist part is because of the many parallels I see between her actions with liara and how racists think and act about what ever group they don't like.  Including the contradictions inherent with their complaints about their targeted group they do not like.  Tali goes from a girl first time out of the Migrant Fleet able to deal with live combat and utilizing the mechanical capabilities her race is known for is only a frown from her. How ever Liara goes from an archeologist to fighting in live combat utilizing the biotic capabilities her race is well known for. And holy shit this is total bull shit how would she be capable of doing all of this stuff. Which is a very similar parallel to a white catholic couple having 12 kids being ok. But a Hispanic or Black or Arabic couple having 12 kids and it them trying to out breed the whites to take over the planet and subjugate them.

And if you suggest to calm his hate that Shepard, Ash, Kaiden, Garrus, Wrex or literally anyone on the ship could have given Liara combat training during the events of the game. You get a reaction similar to telling a white supremacist that no the Hispanic, Black or Arabic family with 12 children is not trying to out breed white people and take over the world. Suddenly it is all about how his Shepard hates her and would never teach her. Even though it is shown in later games everyone has bonded with Wrex if alive making a comment about her remembering that quick reload trick he taught her. Showing there was some form of combat training and bonding around it while they were crew mates. To complaining about how someone who digs up fossils could know anything about biotics. Even though in the first game it says the Asari are natural biotics and it is only in the 2nd or maybe 3rd game it is even hinted that some Asari choose not to develop their biotic capabilities. And even then that was a small like 4 sentence codex entry. So without any information to show other wise it is almost default logic that Liara did choose to develop her biotic capabilities.  Particularly given her mother's standing in Asari culture and the pressure for Liara to stand up to that degree. Which is in part what drove her to wanting to be an archeologist.

But to him Liara could never know anything about biotics and apparently it should default to being the Asari who never develop their biotics. And even though Liara being the equivalent of the Adept class meaning she would be more in the back providing support with crowd control efforts while Shepard, Ash, Garrus, Wrex, etc would be more upfront taking the brunt of the attacks. That doesn't matter either because Liara being able to do anything right to him is well.....



It isn't direct racism that I say that but more a long the lines of the mentality racists have.