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Post by Garo on Sept 20, 2016 16:08:46 GMT
Again, there's another person who have the cipher, Shiala. Why isn't she around? Why isn't Shepard given the option to bring her before the council to tell them what she told Shepard? Maybe they would dismissed that because: "she worked with Saren, she can't be trusted".
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Post by themikefest on Sept 20, 2016 16:19:11 GMT
Why isn't Shepard given the option to bring her before the council to tell them what she told Shepard? Maybe they would dismissed that because: "she worked with Saren, she can't be trusted". It wouldn't be hard. Have the asari councilor mind-meld with her to see that she's not lying. If they can believe the audio file, I don't see why they wouldn't believe her or at least consider what she said. I could see them suggesting having her as squadmate to help Shepard stop Saren. She may have additional information that she didn't mention that could be helpful.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 21, 2016 7:20:42 GMT
Besides, she spend her time inside a Thorian absorbing the entire history and knowledge of the Protheans. If information beacons and artifacts are that valuable that everyone risk war over it. Shiala's worth is her weight in gold to any Prothean researchers.. heck, she should have a war asset for herself, Shiala's cipher helped Crucible scientist decode the blueprint language with ease and even if she was indoctrinated, her connection to the colonist made her more willing to see the end of the reapers. Heck, she cope with being indoctrination for three years... goddamn it... she's the only one who could have help everyone understand indoctrination...
But nope...
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Post by AIS-Sona_v7 on Sept 21, 2016 7:46:18 GMT
B G REveryone points fingers to this point while tapping their shoe with a grimacing face looking down at tiny BioWare and going "What is that > " But I need to make my own incisions as to why this is less believable than offers to put games onto your account if you give someone your password... This device we've spent so much time creating, was never designed to work unless a specific person of a specific genetic code would find out that the only way to make this huge machine work is to : •Destroy part of it while it is active. •Jump right into the middle of it. •Hold onto your dear life to a big tazer. While many others address the bigger issue of this ending, I am stumbled by the fact that this device, THIS HUGE MONOLITH, has to be severely damaged or abused in order to work properly. Has nobody read the instruction manual ? Did they skip past the 1067th page where it said "Upon activation please insert a genetically evolved organism straight into the focal aperture of the bridge, or blow the field resonator to hell with a weapon, or offer a sacrifice to the mighty electric company..."Furthermore ! If there is some logic to a LevoDNA chain being inserted into the beam which somehow makes it work (I guess the Russians built it, russian products always require you to slam them with something before they work right) then what is the guarantee that DextroDNA organics won't suffer drastic consequences because their organic chain was not implemented completely into the protocol ? TL;DR> The final choice is always a problem, but the input design is even more senseless.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 21, 2016 13:45:44 GMT
If ems is below 1750, the player will only have the option to destroy or control the reapers based on what was done with the collector base in ME2. The catalyst will say "you altered the variables" and "the crucible changed me created new.....possibilities" even with only one ending available. Why would it say that? What answer would the thing give if Shepard asked that it said possibilities and only giving one option?
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Post by Darth Dennis on Sept 21, 2016 15:23:29 GMT
If ems is below 1750, the player will only have the option to destroy or control the reapers based on what was done with the collector base in ME2. The catalyst will say "you altered the variables" and "the crucible changed me created new.....possibilities" even with only one ending available. Why would it say that? What answer would the thing give if Shepard asked that it said possibilities and only giving one option? I think it can use the crucible as opposed to killing everyone again.
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Post by AIS-Sona_v7 on Sept 21, 2016 15:24:28 GMT
If ems is below 1750, the player will only have the option to destroy or control the reapers based on what was done with the collector base in ME2. The catalyst will say "you altered the variables" and "the crucible changed me created new.....possibilities" even with only one ending available. Why would it say that? What answer would the thing give if Shepard asked that it said possibilities and only giving one option? Maybe we should have asked the guys in R&D to make the control bridges less judgemental... Seriously, were there rows of engineers looking at Shepard like "Well, he killed the Geth. YO STEPHAN, STOP BUILDING THAT MIDDLE BRIDGE !" Were the construction plans watching too ? "Beep beep, floating space dootie not destroyed, making new bridge to tazer handles, beep beep boop." Looking at the design of the final decision is like Coca Cola. Once you pop the top, you will never stop!
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 21, 2016 18:28:42 GMT
Maybe it's the Catalyst that's the problem. If the Catalyst doesn't think you're ready to Go Green then it won't offer you that option. We saw walls moving at the chasm. No reason to think that's not possible when it comes to the offered choices.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 21, 2016 19:43:04 GMT
If ems is below 1750, the player will only have the option to destroy or control the reapers based on what was done with the collector base in ME2. The catalyst will say "you altered the variables" and "the crucible changed me created new.....possibilities" even with only one ending available. Why would it say that? What answer would the thing give if Shepard asked that it said possibilities and only giving one option? Maybe we should have asked the guys in R&D to make the control bridges less judgemental... Seriously, were there rows of engineers looking at Shepard like "Well, he killed the Geth. YO STEPHAN, STOP BUILDING THAT MIDDLE BRIDGE !" Were the construction plans watching too ? "Beep beep, floating space dootie not destroyed, making new bridge to tazer handles, beep beep boop." Looking at the design of the final decision is like Coca Cola. Once you pop the top, you will never stop! Well, these are the same engineers who made the "on" switch a pipe full of volatile...something...that has to be broken to activate. And who made some kind of control system out of exposed wires with no insulation...
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Post by Darth Dennis on Sept 24, 2016 23:13:23 GMT
Maybe we should have asked the guys in R&D to make the control bridges less judgemental... Seriously, were there rows of engineers looking at Shepard like "Well, he killed the Geth. YO STEPHAN, STOP BUILDING THAT MIDDLE BRIDGE !" Were the construction plans watching too ? "Beep beep, floating space dootie not destroyed, making new bridge to tazer handles, beep beep boop." Looking at the design of the final decision is like Coca Cola. Once you pop the top, you will never stop! Well, these are the same engineers who made the "on" switch a pipe full of volatile...something...that has to be broken to activate. And who made some kind of control system out of exposed wires with no insulation... Then again, credit to those same engineers for building a beam of light that when a person jumps in, somehow manages to cause every organic being in the galaxy to suddenly sprout circuit boards.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Sept 24, 2016 23:16:14 GMT
In ME2, using incinerate on Geth or mechs doesn't do much damage. I guess the devs set their computers on fire to test, and found out they worked perfectly.
Also, if Geth get shot in those massive wires, surely they would just break down immediately?
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Post by Iakus on Sept 25, 2016 2:10:47 GMT
Also, if Geth get shot in those massive wires, surely they would just break down immediately? Oh, hush, synthetic are superior to organics and you know it. Otherwise why else would they inevitably turn on organics? It's inevitable
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 25, 2016 3:31:16 GMT
In ME2, using incinerate on Geth or mechs doesn't do much damage. I guess the devs set their computers on fire to test, and found out they worked perfectly. Also, if Geth get shot in those massive wires, surely they would just break down immediately? I don't think your computer and a mechanic exoskeleton designed to be used in the environments including space match up.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 27, 2016 15:27:30 GMT
If Shepard does not complete the missions related to Zaeed, Kasumi, Grunt, Jacob and Samara, in ME3, their names will be seen on the memorial wall after Cronos is completed. For some reason, Zaeed's name never shows up even if he died in ME2. Anyways. How would they know they're dead to put up their nametag?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 16:45:20 GMT
If Shepard does not complete the missions related to Zaeed, Kasumi, Grunt, Jacob and Samara, in ME3, their names will be seen on the memorial wall after Cronos is completed. For some reason, Zaeed's name never shows up even if he died in ME2. Anyways. How would they know they're dead to put up their nametag? Alliance casualty lists.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 27, 2016 16:49:47 GMT
If Shepard does not complete the missions related to Zaeed, Kasumi, Grunt, Jacob and Samara, in ME3, their names will be seen on the memorial wall after Cronos is completed. For some reason, Zaeed's name never shows up even if he died in ME2. Anyways. How would they know they're dead to put up their nametag? Alliance casualty lists. Who confirmed their death to put on the list?
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Post by Natashina on Sept 28, 2016 5:05:48 GMT
Who confirmed their death to put on the list? Hackett I would imagine. My headcanon for Zaeed not showing up on the wall is that he's a merc for hire. Otherwise, that doesn't work. Thane isn't Alliance, neither is Legion, Tali, ect. In fact, I'd say around half of that potential memorial list worked for the Alliance, but wasn't in the Alliance.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 28, 2016 5:59:11 GMT
Who confirmed their death to put on the list? Hackett I would imagine. My headcanon for Zaeed not showing up on the wall is that he's a merc for hire. Otherwise, that doesn't work. Thane isn't Alliance, neither is Legion, Tali, ect. In fact, I'd say around half of that potential memorial list worked for the Alliance, but wasn't in the Alliance. How would Hackett know if Grunt is dead? How about Samara? How about Jacob? Did the Alliance go to theses places? Those missions can be completed before Cronos, depending on the playthrough. So from the start of the attack until Shepard gets back from the mission, the Alliance was able to somehow confirm their deaths? I can see Kasumi and Zaeed since their death's are on the Citadel.
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Post by Natashina on Sept 28, 2016 6:47:21 GMT
Simple, Joker could have told Hackett off screen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 12:16:40 GMT
Who confirmed their death to put on the list? Who confirms it in any war? It comes from various sources, still keeping track of the dead is just part of it all... an administrative task. After all, each soldier has family, estates, a paycheck that needs to be stopped. Often it's the medics who "clean up" a battlefield and collect the dog tags or other forms of ID. Even though Grunt and Samara aren't Alliance, they belong to allied forces and there would likely be some sharing of lists among those organizations. Admittedly, the game isn't great at giving the player a sense of a battle with numerous "other" people around - reporters and medics and such. It even jokes about it... Shepard always feeling like he's "alone" in this war. Jacob... well, if Shepard doesn't collect the scientists... what does the Codex say... do some of them survive and still defect to the Cruicble? (IDK).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 12:32:40 GMT
Who confirmed their death to put on the list? Hackett I would imagine. My headcanon for Zaeed not showing up on the wall is that he's a merc for hire. Otherwise, that doesn't work. Thane isn't Alliance, neither is Legion, Tali, ect. In fact, I'd say around half of that potential memorial list worked for the Alliance, but wasn't in the Alliance. I headcannon that Zaeed missing from the wall in the end as just an oversight... maybe his body is damaged so badly, it's not identifable and he's just MIA. If he dies in ME2 or during the side mission in ME3, Shepard's in command during ME3... so I guess it's that Shepard didn't like him enough to put his name on the wall.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 28, 2016 12:40:09 GMT
Who confirmed their death to put on the list? Who confirms it in any war? It comes from various sources, still keeping track of the dead is just part of it all... an administrative task. After all, each soldier has family, estates, a paycheck that needs to be stopped. Often it's the medics who "clean up" a battlefield and collect the dog tags or other forms of ID. Admittedly, the game isn't great at giving the player a sense of a battle with numerous "other" people around - reporters and medics and such. It even jokes about it... Shepard always feeling like he's "alone" in this war. No one knew Jacob was with those scientists. The mission isn't completed. He dies. Did someone go that location afterwards? Look at Samara. Did anyone know she went to deal with her daughter? With Grunt, Wrex or Wreav knows he's dealing with the missing scouts. Since those missions can be completed right before Cronos, how would anyone know they're dead between the attack on Cronos and after the mission to see their names on the wall?
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Post by themikefest on Sept 28, 2016 12:41:55 GMT
Simple, Joker could have told Hackett off screen. Joker doesn't know. All he cares about is having the edibot thing keeping him smiling
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 12:52:39 GMT
Who confirms it in any war? It comes from various sources, still keeping track of the dead is just part of it all... an administrative task. After all, each soldier has family, estates, a paycheck that needs to be stopped. Often it's the medics who "clean up" a battlefield and collect the dog tags or other forms of ID. Admittedly, the game isn't great at giving the player a sense of a battle with numerous "other" people around - reporters and medics and such. It even jokes about it... Shepard always feeling like he's "alone" in this war. No one knew Jacob was with those scientists. The mission isn't completed. He dies. Did someone go that location afterwards? Look at Samara. Did anyone know she went to deal with her daughter? With Grunt, Wrex or Wreav knows he's dealing with the missing scouts. Since those missions can be completed right before Cronos, how would anyone know they're dead between the attack on Cronos and after the mission to see their names on the wall? Someone knew - Samara belonged to the Justicars. Someone would "clean up" those battlefields after the fact and report a list of ALL the dead they find that they can identify in some way. In an AI riddled society, the communication of long lists of dead to all ships in the fleet probably doesn't take very long and would take EDI an instant to read and pluck any names she recognized from them and tell Shepard (or some other crew member in charge of the Memorial Wall) about it (and it's only after the very end that EDI might be out of commission).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 2:51:27 GMT
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