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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 14, 2016 16:50:22 GMT
She could have lied. She could have taken them after she deliver Shepard's body to the Cerberus scientists.
In fact, not everything in the game and what was told to you was all in honesty.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 14, 2016 17:18:13 GMT
She could have lied. She could have taken them after she deliver Shepard's body to the Cerberus scientists. I believe that more than the lame excuse she gives Shepard. Yeah. That alien has some serious head problems. Just another reason to not have her on the ship in ME3. She can't be trusted
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Post by joy on Sept 14, 2016 21:16:17 GMT
How liara is the shadow broker but yet it's Traynor who found where TIM was hidden. Traynor also found about the ex cerberus scientist, and the biotic students. Liara only use her shadow broker status to see if somebody cheat on her or not.
Thane in mass effect 2 didn't want to die anymore on the suicide mission because he wanted to fight for Shepard and Koliat. Thane in mass effect 3 "it's good to die without having any responsability". So he doesn't care anymore about fighting for his son and Shepard. Legion on mass effect 2 thought that geth were more efficient because they were one entity and worked together to find solution to whatever. Legion on mass effect 3 wants each geth to have their own personalities.
Why on rannoch Tali or Raan ask shepard to tell the geth to not upload the code? If this was my planet i wouldn't ask an alien for anything, i'll kill the geth myself and if shepard has a problem i wouldn't care, it is not his planet.
Shepard referring to EDI as "joker's girlfriend" before the chronos station after I told them to not date.
The whole fight with thane and Kai lame, so much fails in this fight. -Shepard and the squadmate looking the fight without doing anything. -Thane running toward kai lang when he has a gun. -Shepard asking "is it bad" after Thane was stabbed -Shepard not giving medigel to Thane. On me2 shepard can give gel to a racist batarian, a barely hurt mercenary but not to her friend or her boyfriend if you romanced him? Okkk
During the cerberus coup on the citadel, Kai leng ran away when he heard that bailey and a regular soldier were coming, and bailey was hurt, wtf?
Shepard being sadder about the fall of thessia than the fall of earth. Why would she or he cares when they didn't care about earth before? Even the asari concilor doesn't seems to care about thessia compare to shepard's reaction.
The ending.
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Post by Natashina on Sept 15, 2016 0:59:30 GMT
Batarian space is close to the Sol System and naturally they fought with humans. That Council kicked them out for that, but also because of their use of slavery. They were apart of the Council before humans showed up. In ME3, you run into Balak again (if you left him alive) because he was using codes from when batarians were still a Council race. Um, so slavery was just fine before the humans showed up, but fight with them and slaves are suddenly bad? Makes no sense. For that matter, other than hating humans, what was so bad about them? Okay, slavery sure, but again, the Council seemed to be fine with that prior to humans coming onto the scene. "We were a proud race, a beautiful race." The only glimpse I got of that at all was in ME3, when delivering a religious book to a batarian preacher. Otherwise, they took a race that didn't like humans and turned them into bad guys. I'm not sure if I mentioned this, but how did Liara become a successful information broker in the first place? Screw the Shadow Broker, she was doing well on Ilium before that. I think Miranda described it as "Omega with better shoes." That kind of environment struck me as a hard to get a foothold into. Just building contacts like the ones Liara supposed had on Ilium would take years, if not decades. In any case, it would take a hell of a lot longer than two years. Yet now she has a secretary, threatens to flay people with her mind without reprecussion, (a line that sounded stupid when her mom said it and sounds worse from Liara,) and has a lot of "contacts." Seriously? I've mentioned in other threads that I find Liara a decent character and most of my Shep's see her as a little sister. Her character development is rushed, and uneven though. She gains too much personal and professional power too quickly to make a lick of sense. Even in a series with a mindcontrolling plant. And then she has her own DLC, the second old squadmate that Shep meets in ME3, and her own comics. The bug were she's getting Shepard at the beginning of ME2 instead of the LI. I completely understand the hate if someone didn't like her to begin with. <hugs mike> I like her personality changes, but just her being an information broker on Ilium breaks some of my suspension of disbelief.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 15, 2016 1:26:24 GMT
I'm not sure if I mentioned this, but how did Liara become a successful information broker in the first place? Screw the Shadow Broker, she was doing well on Ilium before that. I think Miranda described it as "Omega with better shoes." That kind of environment struck me as a hard to get a foothold into. Just building contacts like the ones Liara supposed had on Ilium would take years, if not decades. In any case, it would take a hell of a lot longer than two years. Yet now she has a secretary, threatens to flay people with her mind without reprecussion, (a line that sounded stupid when her mom said it and sounds worse from Liara,) and has a lot of "contacts." What bothers me is after the broker is killed, she will say "Now I can finally help you find a way to stop the reapers". What was stopping her? Was it her obsession with Shepard? Remember on Ilos, if she's taken? After talking with vigil, Liara wanted to stay to study and gather more information about the archives. That told me she cared more about the archives than stopping Saren. That's one of several reasons why I would not of had her as a squadmate. Anyways. If she's that interested in studying the protheans to forget about Saren, why didn't she go back there to study? Nevermind. I just answered my own question. Her obsession with Shepard. Wow. It makes no sense for her just to drop everything about studying protheans for her be an information broker. Her background does not support that. Personally, she should never of had anything to do with getting Shepard's corpse. I would've had Cerberus get it that way it avoids all the other stuff
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Post by Natashina on Sept 15, 2016 1:42:51 GMT
I say this as a fan, but Liara is the obsessive type in general. Think about it.
First it was everything Prothean. It was to the point where she didn't have any friends of her own. Focused on nothing but them. She rarely shut up about it in the first game.
Then it was Shepard. Which tied into her previous obession with all things Prothean. Then it was the Shadow Broker and Feron. She was too obessed with that to even try to focus on the Reapers. Well, aside from considering Shepard to be the Ultimate Answer.
When that was done, she was back to actually trying to do something about the Reapers. And setting up recordings where she calls Shepard "best of the best, without peer, ect ect." People with addictive tendencies always find something to grab onto.
For that matter, how the hell did Hackett know that Liara was the Shadow Broker? The whole point should be secrecy. Did he just ask? Not many people supposedly knew. Liara mentions on Mars that Hackett asked for her help and her resources. It left me puzzled and a little irritated.
If he didn't know and thought she was just an information broker, then why ask her? She's barely past being a teenageer by her lifespan. Maybe picking a Prothean expert that wasn't just out of her teens would have been a good idea? Just because Liara served with Shepard doesn't make her the only person that Hackett could have contacted.
Why would a Super Ninja bother sending Shepard a troll e-mail? No wonder he fails without Plot Armor. He's too busy doing stupid shit like that versus his actual job of weakening the Alliance and those trying to kill racial leaders.
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Post by melbella on Sept 15, 2016 1:51:52 GMT
Speaking of email in ME3, why doesn't Shepard's account list who the emails are from? I never open anything if I don't know who sent it.
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Post by Natashina on Sept 15, 2016 2:08:18 GMT
Speaking of email in ME3, why doesn't Shepard's account list who the emails are from? I never open anything if I don't know who sent it. I thought it does. Kai's little note says that it comes from the Asari military on the account list. He then thanks Shepard opening the message. The rest is a very bratty letter.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 15, 2016 11:57:15 GMT
When running to the beam, soldiers are seen being vaporized instantly by Harbinger from a direct shot, but if ems is low enough, both squadmates will be vaporized, but Harbinger fires behind them moving his beam of doom towards them instead of a direct shot at them.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 16, 2016 16:06:54 GMT
When the evabot starts running, Liara says she has the data. Before Shepard chases evabot, why didn't Shepard tell Liara to stay behind to make sure there wasn't any information that may of been missed?
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Post by Natashina on Sept 17, 2016 0:41:46 GMT
This is on a meta-level, but the Stargazer scene. That kid beside him looks and sounds young, like maybe 7-9 years old. So good ol' grandpa decided to tell Shepard's story to a child. Every time I get to that scene all I can think of is, "Grandpa, tell more about Shepard's sex life. Tell me more about people getting shoved onto spikes and turning into zombies."
I have a ton of respect for the BW devs, but that scene makes me laugh.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 17, 2016 0:43:48 GMT
This is on a meta-level, but the Stargazer scene. That kid beside him looks and sounds young, like maybe 7-9 years old. So good ol' grandpa decided to tell Shepard's story to a child. Every time I get to that scene all I can think of is, "Grandpa, tell more about Shepard's sex life. Tell me more about people getting shoved onto spikes and turning into zombies." I have a ton of respect for the BW devs, but that scene makes me laugh. That also depends on the players playthrough. I'm curious the story the guy will tell the kid when he says "one more story"
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Post by Natashina on Sept 17, 2016 0:51:09 GMT
That also depends on the players playthrough. I'm curious the story the guy will tell the kid when he says "one more story" Doesn't that conversation happen even with a Refuse ending, only with a woman talking to a young child? I figure that low EMS Destroy endings probably wouldn't have that little gem. You'd certainly know better than I would. If you take into account that the Stargazer scene happened before the story DLC came out, then he told the kid about Leviathan and about Citadel. Huh. The ME series reads like a modern version of old school sci-fi pulp comics. That isn't a bad thing for me; I wouldn't have bought the entire series plus most of the DLC if I disliked that. Just never thought of it before. <shrug> To keep this on topic: There is a salarian on Omega named Ish. He sends the player off to Ilium and the Citadel to get some datapads. If you take Jacob when you pick up the quest, you'll find out that Jacob and Ish worked together sometime in the past. And Jacob does not like it one bit. I forgot to take him with me when I had Shep tell Ish that blackmailing Aria is suicidal.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 17, 2016 1:21:11 GMT
Doesn't that conversation happen even with a Refuse ending, only with a woman talking to a young child? I figure that low EMS Destroy endings probably wouldn't have that little gem. You'd certainly know better than I would. If you take into account that the Stargazer scene happened before the story DLC came out, then he told the kid about Leviathan and about Citadel. In refuse, the woman says, from what was in the archives, "I've only told you a few of the stories". A moment later says "one more story". That's hard to do if she told everything including the dlc's. Unless the story is about Shepard being picked up on the Citadel spending the last bit of time left fighting the reapers before the Normandy is destroyed and Shepard is killed. With the guy, he says "the details have changed over time. It happened so long ago". If that's the case, how different was the story told to him? I'm sure the person telling him buttered it up to make the story interesting. So when he says "one more story" to the kid, I'm curious what that story is especially if all dlc's had been completed. I would also like to know who was the person who told the first story? Remember. There was no one else on the Citadel with Shepard when he/she was talking to the thing. So to tell that part, who else would know?
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Post by themikefest on Sept 17, 2016 1:42:04 GMT
On Thessia, the only way to activate the beacon was the cipher that Shepard got from Shiala who got it from the Thorian. The Thorian watched and studied the protheans. When they died, it consumed them. They became a part of it. So it was just a fluke that Saren and then Shepard got the cipher? Had that Thorian never been found, the reapers would've succeeded, might be wrong about that, with Sovereign opening the Citadel relay.
What I find odd is that when Javik is taken on Thessia, he will say to Liara, "Your species was deemed to have potential. A pity you didn't live up to it". Since the protheans were helping the asari, why didn't they give the cipher, if that was possible, to the asari who pass that to other asari to pass down to other asari and so on. If they did that or were able to, the asari would've been able to unlock the beacon letting Vendetta tell them all about the reapers, crucible and catalyst long before Shepard showed up. And a good chance that the reapers be destroyed a long time ago.
Now I might be wrong about the second part, but the first part does seem like dumb luck that Shepard was able to get the cipher. I don't know.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 17, 2016 7:07:03 GMT
On r/MassEffect there's a thread about someone wanting Ryder to be an N7 because its the recognizable brand for Mass Effect. I disagreed as I don't think its necessary for an explorer to be a spec ops soldier and got into an interesting conversation with someone with a military background
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On r/MassEffect there's a thread about someone wanting Ryder to be an N7 because its the recognizable brand for Mass Effect. I disagreed as I don't think its necessary for an explorer to be a spec ops soldier and got into an interesting conversation with someone with a military background I bet they make their "dad" an N7, as some kind of emotional connection. Which is still stupid. That whole game seems conjured by EA marketing to me. They asked long ago in a survey "What does N7 mean to you?" It was some lame attempt at salvaging the brand. This is the sum of their efforts. But as far as I'm concerned, they lost that chance by writing Mass Effect as a trilogy originally. It wasn't a franchise. It was a trilogy. There's a difference. And when Hudson torched it, there isn't much to say anymore. I would have liked a franchise and more longevity to the setting, personally, but I don't like the way they're going about it now.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 17, 2016 18:37:25 GMT
On Thessia, the only way to activate the beacon was the cipher that Shepard got from Shiala who got it from the Thorian. The Thorian watched and studied the protheans. When they died, it consumed them. They became a part of it. So it was just a fluke that Saren and then Shepard got the cipher? Had that Thorian never been found, the reapers would've succeeded, might be wrong about that, with Sovereign opening the Citadel relay. What I find odd is that when Javik is taken on Thessia, he will say to Liara, "Your species was deemed to have potential. A pity you didn't live up to it". Since the protheans were helping the asari, why didn't they give the cipher, if that was possible, to the asari who pass that to other asari to pass down to other asari and so on. If they did that or were able to, the asari would've been able to unlock the beacon letting Vendetta tell them all about the reapers, crucible and catalyst long before Shepard showed up. And a good chance that the reapers be destroyed a long time ago. Now I might be wrong about the second part, but the first part does seem like dumb luck that Shepard was able to get the cipher. I don't know. Maybe the Asari scientists sent to the temple had a cipher of their own? Too bad they were killed; could have found out more on how much the Asari government knew.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 20, 2016 4:39:04 GMT
On Thessia, the only way to activate the beacon was the cipher that Shepard got from Shiala who got it from the Thorian. The Thorian watched and studied the protheans. When they died, it consumed them. They became a part of it. So it was just a fluke that Saren and then Shepard got the cipher? Had that Thorian never been found, the reapers would've succeeded, might be wrong about that, with Sovereign opening the Citadel relay. What I find odd is that when Javik is taken on Thessia, he will say to Liara, "Your species was deemed to have potential. A pity you didn't live up to it". Since the protheans were helping the asari, why didn't they give the cipher, if that was possible, to the asari who pass that to other asari to pass down to other asari and so on. If they did that or were able to, the asari would've been able to unlock the beacon letting Vendetta tell them all about the reapers, crucible and catalyst long before Shepard showed up. And a good chance that the reapers be destroyed a long time ago. Now I might be wrong about the second part, but the first part does seem like dumb luck that Shepard was able to get the cipher. I don't know. My suspicion is that the beacon was meant to only give the asari information in dribs and drabs. You know, to avoid the whole "uplifting the krogan" thing and keep them from nuking themselves back into the stone age. What doesn't make sense is the beacon deliberately withholding information on the Reapers and the Crucible until the Reapers are knocking on the front door, then it just goes "Oops, too late!"
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Post by themikefest on Sept 20, 2016 4:44:06 GMT
My suspicion is that the beacon was meant to only give the asari information in dribs and drabs. You know, to avoid the whole "uplifting the krogan" thing and keep them from nuking themselves back into the stone age. I doubt that, but anything is possible The asari? They did it because they didn't want to give up their #1 ranking. They sat back hoping the other species would be able to defeat the reapers that way they don't take many losses and maintain that #1 ranking.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 20, 2016 5:00:45 GMT
All species work in their own self-interest. Asari are not any different than anyone. The beacon intended to uplift them enough so the galaxy would be prepared for incoming invasion and instead the Asari use it to further their own dominance over the galaxy. However, I don't think the Asari Matriarchs knew Vendetta exist and they seem to treat the beacon like they're studying artifacts, extracting usable technology to advance their species.
Again, there's another person who have the cipher, Shiala. Why isn't she around?
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Post by straykat on Sept 20, 2016 5:10:40 GMT
Again, there's another person who have the cipher, Shiala. Why isn't she around? My Shep overreacted to his brain getting boiled like a scrambled egg. Sorry about that.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 20, 2016 10:57:35 GMT
Again, there's another person who have the cipher, Shiala. Why isn't she around? Why isn't Shepard given the option to bring her before the council to tell them what she told Shepard?
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Post by straykat on Sept 20, 2016 11:35:35 GMT
Again, there's another person who have the cipher, Shiala. Why isn't she around? Why isn't Shepard given the option to bring her before the council to tell them what she told Shepard? Because killing her is canon! No seriously, some things just make more sense...despite the series billing itself as having "choices". Like recruiting Garrus is another.
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