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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Apr 22, 2017 16:29:38 GMT
sure...parroting her mentor's manual, not on her own how does that matter? You use what you can to raise moral, that us what's important. As Draco himself said if the teaching and books of the Asari made Cora half as good as a fighter she is then it's worth keeping. and when the teaching failed and the teacher fell she crumbled Yeah...nope
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 22, 2017 17:01:59 GMT
how does that matter? You use what you can to raise moral, that us what's important. As Draco himself said if the teaching and books of the Asari made Cora half as good as a fighter she is then it's worth keeping. and when the teaching failed and the teacher fell she crumbled Yeah...nope Dude what? If you do something wrong that does not undo everything you did in you life. The teaching is valid but the teacher is a hypocrite. That does not mean what they are teaching is not valid it just mean they can't live by their own standard. As Draco said if all those books and teachings made her half the fighter she is then it's worth keeping.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 22, 2017 18:08:08 GMT
This or not killing Alec, idk I starting to think that maybe bioware needs to do something different like drop the open world and the chosen one, DA2 is still their best game to date because of that. Despite all the flaws it had a good story with compelling characters that made me cry or laugh during it.
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Post by Rochrok on Apr 22, 2017 20:18:05 GMT
This or not killing Alec, idk I starting to think that maybe bioware needs to do something different like drop the open world and the chosen one, DA2 is still their best game to date because of that. Despite all the flaws it had a good story with compelling characters that made me cry or laugh during it. I agree. I would have liked it if Alec had lived and remained Pathfinder while we work for him, carry out his orders, and have to live in his shadow. It would have made the family story more personal. The chosen one "Call the hero by a title" nonsense is tired. I'd rather had been Alec's screw up kid who turned to a life of crime on Kadara or be stuck trying to live up to his N7 rep while helping out on the Nexus. Something different and interesting. This is why I loved playing the Sith Inquisitor story in swtor, and hated it when he became "The Outlander"
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 22, 2017 21:21:18 GMT
This or not killing Alec, idk I starting to think that maybe bioware needs to do something different like drop the open world and the chosen one, DA2 is still their best game to date because of that. Despite all the flaws it had a good story with compelling characters that made me cry or laugh during it. I agree. Ib would have liked it if Alec had lived and remained Pathfinder while we work for him, carry out his orders, and have to live in his shadow. It would have made the family story more personal. The chosen one "Call the hero by a title" nonsense is tired. I'd rather had been Alec's screw up kid who turned to a life of crime on Kadara or be stuck trying to live up to his N7 rep while helping out on the Nexus. Something different and interesting. This is why I loved playing the Sith Inquisitor story in swtor, and hated it when he became "The Outlander" Ryder is more reluctant hero then chosen one. I would like Alec to still be alive and we had to hunt him down in some way.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Apr 22, 2017 21:42:22 GMT
and when the teaching failed and the teacher fell she crumbled Yeah...nope Dude what? If you do something wrong that does not undo everything you did in you life. The teaching is valid but the teacher is a hypocrite. That does not mean what they are teaching is not valid it just mean they can't live by their own standard. As Draco said if all those books and teachings made her half the fighter she is then it's worth keeping. they made her good at being a good little soldier ant...nothing else
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 22, 2017 21:50:21 GMT
Dude what? If you do something wrong that does not undo everything you did in you life. The teaching is valid but the teacher is a hypocrite. That does not mean what they are teaching is not valid it just mean they can't live by their own standard. As Draco said if all those books and teachings made her half the fighter she is then it's worth keeping. they made her good at being a good little soldier ant...nothing else dude, are going to make an argument with valid backing or are going to just say anything you think up thinking it will eventually stick?
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Apr 22, 2017 22:40:21 GMT
they made her good at being a good little soldier ant...nothing else dude, are going to make an argument with valid backing or are going to just say anything you think up thinking it will eventually stick? dude...LISTEN TO HER she says it herself she is "GLAD Alec picked you and not her" because "she is not cut for it" because "she is not a trailblazer and always looking for the mentor to follow". You keep thinking that we can see her evolving and shit but there is no concrete evidence of it, you just want to see it happen and it is not.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 22, 2017 23:36:04 GMT
This or not killing Alec, idk I starting to think that maybe bioware needs to do something different like drop the open world and the chosen one, DA2 is still their best game to date because of that. Despite all the flaws it had a good story with compelling characters that made me cry or laugh during it. I agree. I would have liked it if Alec had lived and remained Pathfinder while we work for him, carry out his orders, and have to live in his shadow. It would have made the family story more personal. The chosen one "Call the hero by a title" nonsense is tired. I'd rather had been Alec's screw up kid who turned to a life of crime on Kadara or be stuck trying to live up to his N7 rep while helping out on the Nexus. Something different and interesting. This is why I loved playing the Sith Inquisitor story in swtor, and hated it when he became "The Outlander" "The Outlander" bs is suppose to be over now but to me merging all the classes was a mistake. Their strong point was having different stories for different classes and that ended with the expansion. I think they maybe did not had the money or resources to do it.
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Post by abaris on Apr 22, 2017 23:52:25 GMT
I agree. I would have liked it if Alec had lived and remained Pathfinder while we work for him, carry out his orders, and have to live in his shadow. It would have made the family story more personal. At least for a while. The premise is, you set out as a family. It would have been good to get to know them, so there's at least some emotional connection before losing them. And no, the memories don't count towards getting to know them. You lost a cardboard that is filled as you recover bits an pieces. But devs don't have the guts to play that out these days. The most glaring example being FO4 where many people don't give half a shit over their lost son, although he's set out to be the main plot line.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 22, 2017 23:59:23 GMT
dude, are going to make an argument with valid backing or are going to just say anything you think up thinking it will eventually stick? dude...LISTEN TO HER she says it herself she is "GLAD Alec picked you and not her" because "she is not cut for it" because "she is not a trailblazer and always looking for the mentor to follow". You keep thinking that we can see her evolving and shit but there is no concrete evidence of it, you just want to see it happen and it is not. And that's why I said she is not a leader YET... Key word yet. She has the qualitis of a leader but does not have the dive to use it. Just because it's not fully developed now does not mean it won't be later. She's grown up enough to know and understand her flaws, that's the best point of personal growth. She is now getting past her hero worshipping stage. Later she will a good leader but now she's not.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Apr 23, 2017 13:50:02 GMT
dude...LISTEN TO HER she says it herself she is "GLAD Alec picked you and not her" because "she is not cut for it" because "she is not a trailblazer and always looking for the mentor to follow". You keep thinking that we can see her evolving and shit but there is no concrete evidence of it, you just want to see it happen and it is not. And that's why I said she is not a leader YET... Key word yet. She has the qualitis of a leader but does not have the dive to use it. Just because it's not fully developed now does not mean it won't be later. She's grown up enough to know and understand her flaws, that's the best point of personal growth. She is now getting past her hero worshipping stage. Later she will a good leader but now she's not. dude she was being groomed to be a leader and yet by the time it was her time she just could not step up even in her own words. Just leave Cora where she is before she becomes another Ashley
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 23, 2017 14:19:22 GMT
And that's why I said she is not a leader YET... Key word yet. She has the qualitis of a leader but does not have the dive to use it. Just because it's not fully developed now does not mean it won't be later. She's grown up enough to know and understand her flaws, that's the best point of personal growth. She is now getting past her hero worshipping stage. Later she will a good leader but now she's not. dude she was being groomed to be a leader and yet by the time it was her time she just could not step up even in her own words. Just leave Cora where she is before she becomes another Ashley the key word here is yet. Again just because she can't be now does not mean you woun't later. Remember,Ryder had to learn on the fly. You keep parroting you're self and missing the point of the argument. It's not about what she is now but what she will be later.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Apr 23, 2017 16:23:42 GMT
dude she was being groomed to be a leader and yet by the time it was her time she just could not step up even in her own words. Just leave Cora where she is before she becomes another Ashley the key word here is yet. Again just because she can't be now does not mean you woun't later. Remember,Ryder had to learn on the fly. You keep parroting you're self and missing the point of the argument. It's not about what she is now but what she will be later. some people never rise to it because they lack the mentality and aptitude for it. Why exactly do you want this so badly
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 23, 2017 17:23:07 GMT
the key word here is yet. Again just because she can't be now does not mean you woun't later. Remember,Ryder had to learn on the fly. You keep parroting you're self and missing the point of the argument. It's not about what she is now but what she will be later. some people never rise to it because they lack the mentality and aptitude for it. Why exactly do you want this so badly it's not that I want it. It's that I can see it. I already shown examples of Cora using it and only reason is lacking as a leader is her issue of worshipING heroes. Now that she is getting out of that stage, what exactly is going to hold her back from becoming a good leader. The thing you have yet to point out.
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Post by abaris on Apr 23, 2017 18:33:39 GMT
I think they could have solved the obvious dilemma pretty easily, by not making Cora second in command. But that's not how videogamy stories work today. It always has to be the kid with no name rising up to be the hero of the hour. Personally I think it's a mild insutlt to the player's intelligence, since many would have been comfortable with playing out their predestined role. Videogame stories always follow one of the oldest cliches in storytelling. Personally I'd wish for writers to grow some guts and to challenge the player. Rise up to the role the game has in store for you. Don't resort to mental acrobatics to make John or Jane Doe the hero.
I would have liked for Alec to stick around for some time. That would have killed to birds with one stone. One, getting to know your father outside the memory collections and the other being prepared to slip into the role. Nothing wrong with that. It's just that all devs these days are afraid to take risks. To lose someone who's more into casual and into the basic of basic hero tales.
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Post by kenshen19 on Apr 23, 2017 18:50:13 GMT
I see I was not clear when I posted this question. I know why Ryder was made a pathfinder and I am ok with that. My question really starts when we find the Nexus and they give us a nice new ship. At that point there is only 1 pathfinder and a whole lot of people looking for a home. Even if Cora doesn't get a SAM implant or a fancy ship she still could become a pathfinder and get out there and explore. Up to 100,000 people are placing their hopes on a single person exploring a rather large cluster. It would take years if not decades for Ryder to explore the cluster alone.
I will also point out there were other attempts at helping with the exploring and protecting of Outposts that were done in a black op type of way. I just don't see why they wouldn't make it official is all, seems like an easy way to raise everyones moral.
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Post by Exile Isan on Apr 23, 2017 19:11:08 GMT
Cora is not made Pathfinder because it is now impossible to remove SAM from Ryder without killing Ryder. Alec transferred control of SAM to Scott/Sara. If they were to transfer that control to Cora, Ryder would be committing suicide.
And Cora already has a SAM implant. At least I would assume all the Pathfinder team did.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Apr 23, 2017 19:11:12 GMT
I see I was not clear when I posted this question. I know why Ryder was made a pathfinder and I am ok with that. My question really starts when we find the Nexus and they give us a nice new ship. At that point there is only 1 pathfinder and a whole lot of people looking for a home. Even if Cora doesn't get a SAM implant or a fancy ship she still could become a pathfinder and get out there and explore. Up to 100,000 people are placing their hopes on a single person exploring a rather large cluster. It would take years if not decades for Ryder to explore the cluster alone. I will also point out there were other attempts at helping with the exploring and protecting of Outposts that were done in a black op type of way. I just don't see why they wouldn't make it official is all, seems like an easy way to raise everyones moral. pathfinder = SAM + Human...just saying
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Apr 23, 2017 19:18:23 GMT
some people never rise to it because they lack the mentality and aptitude for it. Why exactly do you want this so badly it's not that I want it. It's that I can see it. I already shown examples of Cora using it and only reason is lacking as a leader is her issue of worshipING heroes. Now that she is getting out of that stage, what exactly is going to hold her back from becoming a good leader. The thing you have yet to point out. where do you see it? When she wallows in her feelings after Sarissa reveals herself for what she is and needing Ryder to kick her out of it? Or when she admits she is happy NOT being the pathfinder? The best she did was parrot Sarissa's manual to Sarissa's second in command to calm her down. Even if she could take charge in a punch she would rather follow and she says so herself. As opposed to Avi who even not liking the role and having lost his mentor immediately stepped up and started being the pathfinder, leading people and organizing them and even trying to find clues (successfully) about the Turian ark. He did not let someone else take the lead.
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Post by abaris on Apr 23, 2017 19:19:31 GMT
pathfinder = SAM + Human...just saying Which could have been solved in a different and more elaborate way. Just saying, not blaming Bioware for it, just video game writing in general. They're afraid to lose their audience if Johnny or Jane No No isn't placed in the driver's seat within the first couple of hours. There may be some appreciating this approach, but I guess a lot of people would have patience if the story itself is able to take them.
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Post by kenshen19 on Apr 23, 2017 19:26:16 GMT
I see I was not clear when I posted this question. I know why Ryder was made a pathfinder and I am ok with that. My question really starts when we find the Nexus and they give us a nice new ship. At that point there is only 1 pathfinder and a whole lot of people looking for a home. Even if Cora doesn't get a SAM implant or a fancy ship she still could become a pathfinder and get out there and explore. Up to 100,000 people are placing their hopes on a single person exploring a rather large cluster. It would take years if not decades for Ryder to explore the cluster alone. I will also point out there were other attempts at helping with the exploring and protecting of Outposts that were done in a black op type of way. I just don't see why they wouldn't make it official is all, seems like an easy way to raise everyones moral. pathfinder = SAM + Human...just saying No it doesn't have to be that way but it does make the job a lot easier. If we need an AI to help us explore in the future then there isn't much hope for this endeavor.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Apr 23, 2017 19:30:39 GMT
pathfinder = SAM + Human...just saying Which could have been solved in a different and more elaborate way. Just saying, not blaming Bioware for it, just video game writing in general. They're afraid to lose their audience if Johnny or Jane No No isn't placed in the driver's seat within the first couple of hours. There may be some appreciating this approach, but I guess a lot of people would have patience if the story itself is able to take them. you understand that in this day an age the majority of people will just drop a game and return it if it does not suck them in within the first few hours (if not minutes)? Mass Effect Andromeda already started insanely slow if you ask me.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Apr 23, 2017 19:31:25 GMT
pathfinder = SAM + Human...just saying No it doesn't have to be that way but it does make the job a lot easier. If we need an AI to help us explore in the future then there isn't much hope for this endeavor. explorer ≠ pathfinder
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Post by abaris on Apr 23, 2017 20:16:29 GMT
Which could have been solved in a different and more elaborate way. Just saying, not blaming Bioware for it, just video game writing in general. They're afraid to lose their audience if Johnny or Jane No No isn't placed in the driver's seat within the first couple of hours. There may be some appreciating this approach, but I guess a lot of people would have patience if the story itself is able to take them. you understand that in this day an age the majority of people will just drop a game and return it if it does not suck them in within the first few hours (if not minutes)? Mass Effect Andromeda already started insanely slow if you ask me. So this is arguing for the short attention span. Says more about todays people than it says about video games. I think you get the audience you deserve. If someone actually had the guts to write a real story without having to suspend disbelief at every given moment, people woould follow. In fact, I think, it's an insult to the intelligence of many people that they don't do that. I also got the impression of the game starting slow, but then I rerolled my character and started over again. It's not that slow, and if the start would have been packed with some interesting story bits, it would have been even less slow.
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