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Post by canuckgamer on Apr 21, 2017 22:21:51 GMT
If you had joined the Andromeda Initiative and had been awake during the Nexus arrival in Andromeda which faction would you have backed during the Uprising?
I got to be honest, there would be no way in hell they would get me back in one of those freezers once I knew what had happened and what was going on. Worse meeting Addison and Tann would have all but guaranteed I would want to take a shot at one or both. Sloan seems like the most decent (and toughest) of the leaders. Would have become an Exile. Probably gone into Mercenary work so I could keep exploring.
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Post by bshep on Apr 21, 2017 22:29:58 GMT
Having read Mass Effect: Nexus Uprising i can say:
*Sloane was a hothead idiot turned thug who would go out of her way to antagonize Tann and Addison even when they had good intentions.
*Addison was a incompetent woman who was played by her second in command Spender.
*Tann was the typical scheming politician with zero charisma and who was also a racist.
I would be like Vetra: choose neither side but keep trading/travelling between both of them.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 21, 2017 22:34:19 GMT
Neither, but I think it would've been interesting if the protagonist was one of the exiles. Maybe in a possible future game...
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 21, 2017 22:48:20 GMT
Having read Mass Effect: Nexus Uprising i can say: *Sloane was a hothead idiot turned thug who would go out of her way to antagonize Tann and Addison even when they had good intentions. *Addison was a incompetent woman who was played by her second in command Spender. *Tann was the typical scheming politician with zero charisma and who was also a racist. I would be like Vetra: choose neither side but keep trading/travelling between both of them. The thing I like about Tann is that in the game he's surprisingly kind of honest (or at least as scheming politicians go). He openly admits to having zero charisma and the larger than life appeal that Garson had and his being forced into a role he wasn't prepared for and doing the best he could do. He openly admits that he doesn't like the krogan and Kelly or the exiles hell he even records basically a PSA for the Nexus News telling people on the Nexus not to go Kardra if Ryder sides with Kelly. I may disagree with him on several things but I can respect someone who is honest and is self aware enough to admit that he's not perfect and owns up to his mistakes.
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Post by brad2240 on Apr 21, 2017 22:58:19 GMT
Where's the "Krogan" option?
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Post by bshep on Apr 21, 2017 23:01:45 GMT
Where's the "Krogan" option? To be fair the Krogan were also (self) exiles.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 21, 2017 23:18:43 GMT
neither. I would have formed my own faction
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Post by dm04 on Apr 22, 2017 0:39:14 GMT
Loyalists If the Nexus is the forward operation base for the whole Andromeda Initiative, the few people aboard are actualy handpicked (mostly highly disciplined people) who know what is at stakes (not like the 20k regular colonists aboard the arks). So, when you wake up from cryo and nothing worked out as planned and you actualy have to save ressources before you can figure things out, only the most important people stay awake and rest goes back into cryo, even if it would be forever. Staging a mutiny and then leaving when they knew NOTHING about heleus at this point is just suicidal. The exiles were lucky to actualy find Kadara and not run into a kett warship or search for a suitable planet like for 100 years, with the few resources they got, baaaaaad thing. Any exile is just extremely stupid... hey we wake up after 600 years, there is no "golden world", the arks are missing... so hey, lets wake up everyone else because well, we do magic.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 22, 2017 0:49:50 GMT
Whichever is the most likely to have a shower handy.
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Post by kino on Apr 22, 2017 1:13:13 GMT
Neither. I would've played the middle.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 22, 2017 5:12:27 GMT
Neither. Hated the leadership in its entirety. Since part of that leadership was Sloane, there's no way I'd follow her. Knowing what a total thug she turned into I would not want to be an Exile.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 22, 2017 5:18:09 GMT
Where ever Jill went.
I would have followed.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 22, 2017 5:18:45 GMT
I'd hunker down and wait for it to pass, then see which side still had decent (not idiotic or scummy) leadership and thrown in with them. Or stayed neutral. The Nexus leadership badly mishandled the situation. The people in the uprising mostly had legit concerns and were scared. But a lot of them turned into really bad people once they were exiled, so....
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Post by Wintermist on Apr 22, 2017 7:22:19 GMT
Would I have taken part in the rebellion? No.
Would I leave the Nexus afterwards once it was clear what the situation was? Yes.
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 22, 2017 8:24:21 GMT
Loyalists of course. Rebels were complete head cases.
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Post by dm04 on Apr 22, 2017 8:38:18 GMT
I'd hunker down and wait for it to pass, then see which side still had decent (not idiotic or scummy) leadership and thrown in with them. Or stayed neutral. The Nexus leadership badly mishandled the situation. The people in the uprising mostly had legit concerns and were scared. But a lot of them turned into really bad people once they were exiled, so.... I do understand this point of view, but do not agree, as it is never working (and this is not personal, I just picked you to quote from all the people who woulod rather be neutral as well). If there is infight between two factions, you got to pick one. Because by the end, they know. When you decide to hunker down and wait, by the time it is over, the faction that won will still send you away. "You werent with us, so you are not loyal to our cause, you are unpredictable and therefore you go." no matter whether the exiles would have won and exiled the "loyalists to the AI cause" or if the loyalists won, you will be "exiled" alongside the faction that lost. Plain and simple.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 22, 2017 8:44:33 GMT
I will join Tann. Together we will exile everyone from Nexus !
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Post by _Wolf Rider_ on Apr 22, 2017 17:31:07 GMT
Neither. I'm not joining either of there sides, since one faction is as bad as the other here.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 22, 2017 18:11:04 GMT
I'd hunker down and wait for it to pass, then see which side still had decent (not idiotic or scummy) leadership and thrown in with them. Or stayed neutral. The Nexus leadership badly mishandled the situation. The people in the uprising mostly had legit concerns and were scared. But a lot of them turned into really bad people once they were exiled, so.... I do understand this point of view, but do not agree, as it is never working (and this is not personal, I just picked you to quote from all the people who woulod rather be neutral as well). If there is infight between two factions, you got to pick one. Because by the end, they know. When you decide to hunker down and wait, by the time it is over, the faction that won will still send you away. "You werent with us, so you are not loyal to our cause, you are unpredictable and therefore you go." no matter whether the exiles would have won and exiled the "loyalists to the AI cause" or if the loyalists won, you will be "exiled" alongside the faction that lost. Plain and simple. Mmmmm a lot of people stayed neutral and didn't get chucked off the nexus. Like Vetra.
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Post by dm04 on Apr 22, 2017 19:03:01 GMT
I do understand this point of view, but do not agree, as it is never working (and this is not personal, I just picked you to quote from all the people who woulod rather be neutral as well). If there is infight between two factions, you got to pick one. Because by the end, they know. When you decide to hunker down and wait, by the time it is over, the faction that won will still send you away. "You werent with us, so you are not loyal to our cause, you are unpredictable and therefore you go." no matter whether the exiles would have won and exiled the "loyalists to the AI cause" or if the loyalists won, you will be "exiled" alongside the faction that lost. Plain and simple. Mmmmm a lot of people stayed neutral and didn't get chucked off the nexus. Like Vetra. Just one of the reasons why the narrative is not realy that good. Beside the SciFi stuff and some action , the characters, relations and story in general was believable. But this? The Nexus crew is pretty much handpicked and their discipline and knowledge what is at stakes should be enormously high. Nexus hits the Scourge and more people leave cryo then should, ok. But... there are no golden worlds, there are no arks, there is the Scourge and actualy they also met the Kett. So, you do not start a mutiny unless you have something to win. But the Exiles have NOTHING to win, if they had won, what would happen? Waken even more people with the limited ressources Nexus has? And then? Everyone would die. Maybe take the Nexus on an excursion through Heleus and hope for a world that could support them? That is pretty thin. If you wake up after 600 years full of hope of a new world, but there is nothing. And you find out, you are not lied to, but actualy things did not work out as expected and you are told: well we try to figure things out, but ressources are short, it is better for you to go back to cryo. You would do it. Maybe you say "no" now, but in that situation? You would do it. And BioWare knows the people would do it... Remember that "first Andromeda murder" Turian who choses to go back to cryo? Going back to cryo till problems are solved is actualy quite normal. This whole mutiny thing... not realy believable, I think we got it just to have a third faction to provide enemies. TLDR; the Nexus crew is a disciplined, knowledgable bunch, not a random mob. Mutiny unlikely.
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Post by zeratul12 on Apr 22, 2017 20:14:48 GMT
Honestly......I chose neither but I would lean more heavily towards Nexus, Sloan is too unpredictable and dangerous. While she has shown she is very effective against Kett forces, shown by the fact she "liberated" Kadara port, she only did it for self interest for her and her people, and I do admire that it is down to simple numbers.
The Nexus has thousands upon thousands to support while the Exiles more than likely only number in a couple thousand especially if Kadara is anything to go by. if the Kett went serious on them they wouldn't stand a chance.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 25, 2017 6:55:03 GMT
I'd hunker down and wait for it to pass, then see which side still had decent (not idiotic or scummy) leadership and thrown in with them. Or stayed neutral. The Nexus leadership badly mishandled the situation. The people in the uprising mostly had legit concerns and were scared. But a lot of them turned into really bad people once they were exiled, so.... Agreed. Would I have taken part in the rebellion? No. Would I leave the Nexus afterwards once it was clear what the situation was? Yes. Agreed. Until the Pathfinder arrived, the Nexus was thousands of people waiting to die. At least those who left could feel like they had some control of their fate. I can see benefits in either choice. It made sense that we saw this very thing, people choosing to leave, still happening in-game. It was an example of good continuity between the prequel novel and the game. That's often a rare thing. Mmmmm a lot of people stayed neutral and didn't get chucked off the nexus. Like Vetra. Just one of the reasons why the narrative is not realy that good. Beside the SciFi stuff and some action , the characters, relations and story in general was believable. But this? The Nexus crew is pretty much handpicked and their discipline and knowledge what is at stakes should be enormously high. Nexus hits the Scourge and more people leave cryo then should, ok. But... there are no golden worlds, there are no arks, there is the Scourge and actualy they also met the Kett. So, you do not start a mutiny unless you have something to win. But the Exiles have NOTHING to win, if they had won, what would happen? Waken even more people with the limited ressources Nexus has? And then? Everyone would die. Maybe take the Nexus on an excursion through Heleus and hope for a world that could support them? That is pretty thin. If you wake up after 600 years full of hope of a new world, but there is nothing. And you find out, you are not lied to, but actualy things did not work out as expected and you are told: well we try to figure things out, but ressources are short, it is better for you to go back to cryo. You would do it. Maybe you say "no" now, but in that situation? You would do it. And BioWare knows the people would do it... Remember that "first Andromeda murder" Turian who choses to go back to cryo? Going back to cryo till problems are solved is actualy quite normal. This whole mutiny thing... not realy believable, I think we got it just to have a third faction to provide enemies. TLDR; the Nexus crew is a disciplined, knowledgable bunch, not a random mob. Mutiny unlikely. This makes it sound like you haven't actually read the novel. There really weren't any factions, as the OP erroneously suggests. The citizens were told to stay in their quarters, or in secured locations, until the situation was handled. "Staying neutral" would've been strictly a mental exercise. You had two choices: join the overzealous rabble-rousers, or obey the authorities and wait until security handled the situation. There was no post-incident Inquisition, trying to determine individuals' feelings or leanings. Those arrested were simply exiled. The tragedy was that most exiles were simply obnoxious protestors/rioters who didn't realize what was truly happening. They were used as pawns to distract security as the actual nut-jobs, Corvinnus and his team, behaved like terrorists. If Sloane had been present, or had the confidence in her peers to tell them her plan, she could've ended the crisis with far less tragedy. If the "terrorists" surrendered, great. If they don't, at least a huge number of people don't end up needlessly exiled. The exile was Tann's final, miscalculated blunder, and one that made even him sick. As Cyberstrike discussed, Tann seems chastened by the time Ryder arrives. He's thankful, appreciative and eager to cooperate, even if he still overestimates his own importance, occasionally. He's not a fool. The Pathfinder is the Initiative's last chance. If Ryder fails, they return to ponderously waiting to die. Similarly, I appreciate the development that Addison and Sloane received, too. (Sloane could've been done much better, though.) We still see some of Addison's manic, fatalistic demeanor, early. She finally climbs out of it, though, and becomes a seemingly solid Colonial Director, as Ryder achieves repeated successes. Through Sloane, we get to see just how terribly the exile affected people. They had to get very hard, savage even, in order to survive. She willingly left the Nexus to protect these people. (She'd have still been part of the Triumvirate, had she stayed. The truth of her non-involvement would've seen to it.) She did leave, though, altruistically; and now she's a benevolently ruthless pirate queen, holding Kadara Port together the hard way. She clearly bears more than physical scars by the time Ryder meets her. I wish the game had offered a more complete portrayal of Sloane. Those who don't read the novels are left in the dark.
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Post by dm04 on Apr 25, 2017 8:28:43 GMT
I'd hunker down and wait for it to pass, then see which side still had decent (not idiotic or scummy) leadership and thrown in with them. Or stayed neutral. The Nexus leadership badly mishandled the situation. The people in the uprising mostly had legit concerns and were scared. But a lot of them turned into really bad people once they were exiled, so.... Agreed. Would I have taken part in the rebellion? No. Would I leave the Nexus afterwards once it was clear what the situation was? Yes. Agreed. Until the Pathfinder arrived, the Nexus was thousands of people waiting to die. At least those who left could feel like they had some control of their fate. I can see benefits in either choice. It made sense that we saw this very thing, people choosing to leave, still happening in-game. It was an example of good continuity between the prequel novel and the game. That's often a rare thing. Just one of the reasons why the narrative is not realy that good. Beside the SciFi stuff and some action , the characters, relations and story in general was believable. But this? The Nexus crew is pretty much handpicked and their discipline and knowledge what is at stakes should be enormously high. Nexus hits the Scourge and more people leave cryo then should, ok. But... there are no golden worlds, there are no arks, there is the Scourge and actualy they also met the Kett. So, you do not start a mutiny unless you have something to win. But the Exiles have NOTHING to win, if they had won, what would happen? Waken even more people with the limited ressources Nexus has? And then? Everyone would die. Maybe take the Nexus on an excursion through Heleus and hope for a world that could support them? That is pretty thin. If you wake up after 600 years full of hope of a new world, but there is nothing. And you find out, you are not lied to, but actualy things did not work out as expected and you are told: well we try to figure things out, but ressources are short, it is better for you to go back to cryo. You would do it. Maybe you say "no" now, but in that situation? You would do it. And BioWare knows the people would do it... Remember that "first Andromeda murder" Turian who choses to go back to cryo? Going back to cryo till problems are solved is actualy quite normal. This whole mutiny thing... not realy believable, I think we got it just to have a third faction to provide enemies. TLDR; the Nexus crew is a disciplined, knowledgable bunch, not a random mob. Mutiny unlikely. This makes it sound like you haven't actually read the novel. There really weren't any factions, as the OP erroneously suggests. The citizens were told to stay in their quarters, or in secured locations, until the situation was handled. "Staying neutral" would've been strictly a mental exercise. You had two choices: join the overzealous rabble-rousers, or obey the authorities and wait until security handled the situation. There was no post-incident Inquisition, trying to determine individuals' feelings or leanings. Those arrested were simply exiled. The tragedy was that most exiles were simply obnoxious protestors/rioters who didn't realize what was truly happening. They were used as pawns to distract security as the actual nut-jobs, Corvinnus and his team, behaved like terrorists. If Sloane had been present, or had the confidence in her peers to tell them her plan, she could've ended the crisis with far less tragedy. If the "terrorists" surrendered, great. If they don't, at least a huge number of people don't end up needlessly exiled. The exile was Tann's final, miscalculated blunder, and one that made even him sick. As Cyberstrike discussed, Tann seems chastened by the time Ryder arrives. He's thankful, appreciative and eager to cooperate, even if he still overestimates his own importance, occasionally. He's not a fool. The Pathfinder is the Initiative's last chance. If Ryder fails, they return to ponderously waiting to die. Similarly, I appreciate the development that Addison and Sloane received, too. (Sloane could've been done much better, though.) We still see some of Addison's manic, fatalistic demeanor, early. She finally climbs out of it, though, and becomes a seemingly solid Colonial Director, as Ryder achieves repeated successes. Through Sloane, we get to see just how terribly the exile affected people. They had to get very hard, savage even, in order to survive. She willingly left the Nexus to protect these people. (She'd have still been part of the Triumvirate, had she stayed. The truth of her non-involvement would've seen to it.) She did leave, though, altruistically; and now she's a benevolently ruthless pirate queen, holding Kadara Port together the hard way. She clearly bears more than physical scars by the time Ryder meets her. I wish the game had offered a more complete portrayal of Sloane. Those who don't read the novels are left in the dark. You, or lets better say them (BW), can not expect the players to read a novel prior to playing the game... or read it afterwards to get more sense into some portions of the game. Maybe I am going to buy and read the novel at some time, but surely not in the near future, I wonder if you can tell us more? As of now we are told (correct me if wrong or missing something) - Nexus hits the scourge, large portions of the station are crippled and non functional - Way too many "people" are awake - The people want to wake up more, especialy their families (ZJ Kennedy want even to "produce" babies in a very unstable situation) - The golden worlds do not turn up to be golden (they find Eos, but it becomes obvious that planet can not realy support a full fledged outpost/colony) - They encounter a hostile species that seemingly kill on sight (promise/resilience on Eos) - It is supposed to have contact with the arks after ~12 months, but after 14 months there is still no contact Missing something? Basicaly... the Nexus is like a ship, stranded at a bare island, heavily damaged by a storm, supply ships, as part of a convoy, are missing. So no supplies, personel and tech to evaluate Heleus as necessary. So I have no deeper insights as of why there was an uprising, have not read the nove, but judging by what we were told in game, it is insanity to rebel. As said, you do not revolt unless you expect to change something. And replacing the leadership, the drive to do it is not unlikely, while plausible, the act itself actualy changes nothing, does not improve the situation (except maybe you are now allowed to wake up family relatives, which they would actualy not do, because thats a waranted deathsentence.)
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 25, 2017 9:12:26 GMT
I do understand this point of view, but do not agree, as it is never working (and this is not personal, I just picked you to quote from all the people who woulod rather be neutral as well). If there is infight between two factions, you got to pick one. Because by the end, they know. When you decide to hunker down and wait, by the time it is over, the faction that won will still send you away. "You werent with us, so you are not loyal to our cause, you are unpredictable and therefore you go." no matter whether the exiles would have won and exiled the "loyalists to the AI cause" or if the loyalists won, you will be "exiled" alongside the faction that lost. Plain and simple. Mmmmm a lot of people stayed neutral and didn't get chucked off the nexus. Like Vetra. Except she wasn't neutral. Only these who obeyed Tann and others stayed on Nexus. You could only stay neutral if weren't waken up at the moment of mutiny.
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Post by RakiaTime on Apr 25, 2017 9:31:00 GMT
Exiles, without a doubt
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