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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 25, 2017 9:47:40 GMT
The one that wins
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 25, 2017 11:27:40 GMT
Exiles most likely. Im an angry, rebellious, violent sort by nature. However, I would have happily slit the throats of Tann, Addison, and Sloane so theres that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 13:42:31 GMT
I have not read the novels, but invading Kadara as shown in the game, was the only not dead end enterprise, so I prefer the Exiles, and hoping for a DLC or a protagonist from that group.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 25, 2017 15:21:20 GMT
I haven't read the book so I don't have all the context. Going from what the game tells me is that neither side is appealing. At best nexus leadership is incompetant and disjointed. The exiles are generally portrayed as criminal thugs. Ultimately I would choose nexus because they at least try to establish law and order.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 25, 2017 16:56:02 GMT
You, or lets better say them (BW), can not expect the players to read a novel prior to playing the game... or read it afterwards to get more sense into some portions of the game. Maybe I am going to buy and read the novel at some time, but surely not in the near future, I wonder if you can tell us more? As of now we are told (correct me if wrong or missing something) - Nexus hits the scourge, large portions of the station are crippled and non functional - Way too many "people" are awake - The people want to wake up more, especialy their families (ZJ Kennedy want even to "produce" babies in a very unstable situation) - The golden worlds do not turn up to be golden (they find Eos, but it becomes obvious that planet can not realy support a full fledged outpost/colony) - They encounter a hostile species that seemingly kill on sight (promise/resilience on Eos) - It is supposed to have contact with the arks after ~12 months, but after 14 months there is still no contact Missing something? Basicaly... the Nexus is like a ship, stranded at a bare island, heavily damaged by a storm, supply ships, as part of a convoy, are missing. So no supplies, personel and tech to evaluate Heleus as necessary. So I have no deeper insights as of why there was an uprising, have not read the nove, but judging by what we were told in game, it is insanity to rebel. As said, you do not revolt unless you expect to change something. And replacing the leadership, the drive to do it is not unlikely, while plausible, the act itself actualy changes nothing, does not improve the situation (except maybe you are now allowed to wake up family relatives, which they would actualy not do, because thats a waranted deathsentence.) I agree that the writers must do a better job explaining things in-game, since the vast majority of players will never actually read the novels. The game must be more clear. I suspect that the fuzzy presentation happens because things are cut from the game. After a couple hundred lines of dialogue, two quests and the corresponding discussions are cut (or X,Y and Z), the once compelling writing becomes murky and barely adequate. One thing the game did get right was that everything we hear is Tann's and the Nexus' bitter, biased account. The krogan, who put down the so-called rebellion, actually give the most unbiased accounting. I'll try to fill in some blanks, just going down the list you made, more or less. ( Okay, this turned into a detailed synopsis. More than I should probably share. I'm going to sblock it. Major novel-spoilers follow. I can, and should, likely trim this significantly. I lack the time, at present, but may try later.) * The initial Nexus personnel awoken are the elite, the inner circle of Jien Garson. Addison is among them, and has an extremely suspicious story about returning to pee in her cryopod during the time Jien dies. (She basically says, "Everyone is doing it," and then refuses to speak more.) When they unexpectedly hit the Scourge, the portion of the ship where these people were located us badly damaged, and all die an immediate, fiery death. Many people, like Sloane, are awoken by emergency protocols, but get stuck in their pods. She had been the last one to sleep, and knew the Nexus' layout well. She rallies her people, including her trusted friend Tiran Kandros, and manages to minimize loss of life and keep things under control. (This will become the story of her life.)
* There actually aren't very many people awake, at this point. Sloane, Kesh and Addison (barely, but she was there) put their heads together and set immediate priorities. Life Support is failing, the Drive Core is about to go boom, and most of the Nexus is ripped open (which is why it looks like ass 14 months later). They need to execute emergency repairs and other key decisions. The problem is that they must have an executive override. Taking into account the deaths of all of the upper leadership, the Nexus computer spits out Jurann Tann as next in line. Addison is visibly pissed, likely expecting it would be her job. They can't believe an accountant will take charge, but figure that they just need his override. He begins trying to assert his authority and being a general ass immediately, despite Sloane and Kesh clear handle on things.
They awaken critical engineering teams, including Corvinnus' Life Support team, who make critical repairs. Tann refuses to awaken any krogan until he can no longer refuse. His racist behavior was a problem from the first step until the present. The most critical repairs are made, but the Nexus is barely holding together, the air is marginally breathable, and the engineers are barely able to take breaks for sleep. Eventually, more engineers and laborers are awoken, including krogan. (The krogan actually did most of the work building the Nexus in the Milky Way, under Kesh' direction.) They are worth 10 non-krogan and need fewer resources to survive, in the short term.
* As the months go by, the Nexus itself slowly improves, but long term prospects remain grim. Hydroponics is struggling, and there's no way that they'll have enough food in time. Zoe Kennedy seems to be an exceptionally stupid, selfish outlier, invented for the purpose of trying to gives us "feels" in the game. No one else was mentioned as wanting to make babies. Most people were concerned about starving or running out of water. This entire time, the Nexus remains penned in by the Scourge. One of Corvinnus' team is killed on the exterior by the Scourge, which proves a turning point.
* Many crew are living in the shuttles, since they have intrinsic life support, in the event of Nexus failures. The argument begins concerning whether shuttles should be sent in search of viable nearby worlds. There are good arguments for (Addison) and against (Sloane), and it's a long time before the decision is made to do so. Seven shuttles are sent out while Sloane is away, intentionally bypassing her input. (They do not got to Habitats 1-7, of course.) Kandros volunteers to lead one shuttle, being led to believe that Sloane now supports this course of action. His absence during the "rebellion" was significant, since Sloane had no trustworthy, capable aid in pulling things together. Slowly, the shuttles trickle in with reports of dead worlds ravaged by the Scourge. Six of seven return, with Kandros' shuttle seemingly lost. We never learn about his fate or the Kett during the rest of the novel.
* I mentioned Corvinnus, the turian engineer who leads Life Support. He and his team do great work, but are the match that ignites all of the horror. They had served on a failed expedition in the Milky Way that had some similarities to the current predicament. When her friend Na'to dies doing external repairs, the asari member of the team cracks. She spirals into a dark, paranoid place. She's the one who goes terrorist, assaulting a security node, killing a guard and stealing vital data. Sloane easily catches her, but her ignorant friends don't understand her arrest, nor Sloane knocking her ass out in the hallway. (Dangerous, insane, selfishly stupid biotic... duh.) As she remains in lock-up, her team becomes more angry. When Tann encourages people to volunteer to return to stasis, and gets zero volunteers, things get worse.
By now times are getting very desperate, and everyone awake is tense. The shuttles failed expeditions are kept secret by the triumvirate, against Sloane's argument for transparency. When Corvinnus' team learns, they go full terrorist, stealing weapons and triggering a Nexus-wide riot. (As a senior lead, Corvinnus has access, and seizes comms, spewing anger through the speakers. His true goal is to cover his team's actions.) The riot erupts, and Sloane has a motley crew of inadequate to calm it. She goes off alone in search of Corvinnus, knowing he likely won't attack her on sight. For most, including Corvinnus, she's the only leader who "has her shit together", and thus is respected.
Tann, meanwhile, loses his shit. He decides to awaken and use Clan Nakmor to intimidate the few dozen or so armed militants into surrender. Spender is inexplicably chosen to go as Tann's representative, in lieu of Kesh. He gets intimidated, unilaterally invents and offers "the Deal", and Morda agrees. (Spender had also aided Corvinnus' little revolt in other ways. He's a skeevy bastard.) When the krogan come face-to-face with the rebels, they simply attack. People are being literally dismembered. Many have joined a Corvinnus' team, at this point, so there are maybe 100 armed protestors. Engineers with guns can't fight krogan. (Morda attacks because Spender had said, "Whatever it takes," in direct contravention of Tann's orders.
Sloane is in the "rebel camp" when the krogan arrive and start butchering. She reflexively defends a person who is about to be butchered right in front of her, and thus "joined" the uprising. Corvinnus is killed, and Sloane attempts to funnel the retreat away from the krogan. The "rebels" retreat down a hallway, get overrun, and that's it. That's the big "Uprising". It's blown way out of proportion by the remaining Nexus personnel, in terms of scope. Corvinnus had hoped to force Tann out of power, and things escalated out of control.
Tann decides he'll neutralize the situation by giving the arrested a choice: cryosleep or exile. To his shock, they choose exile. Sloane decides to go with them, as they'll never survive without a leader to keep them alive. The krogan leave as well, since the deal was a sham. The krogan and exiles take many shuttles and supplies, but also leave fewer mouths to feed. The rest is told in-game, though from a decidedly political, anti-exile. Before leaving, most of the exiles were simply desperate, hungry, dehydrated people who got caught up in a bad moment. The later barbarity and criminality was seemingly the result of madness and a survival of the fittest mentality.
The part I can't really convey here is how hard Sloane tried to serve the Initiative's people. If she and Kesh had been in charge, the situation would not have spiraled to desperation as it did. Tann's ego, and Addison's depression and general unwillingness to even try to counterbalance him, led to the disaster. The Tann we meet in-game is one shaped by his earlier failures. His remorse is significant, as the exiles prepare to depart. His ego, though, won't allow him to find another way. He never thought they'd choose exile, and tells himself "it's on them".
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Post by klijpope on Apr 25, 2017 17:19:37 GMT
So, you do not start a mutiny unless you have something to win. No, you do not start a mutiny unless you have nothing to lose. Really important distinction
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Post by klijpope on Apr 25, 2017 17:29:06 GMT
In game, the Nexus Uprising plot suffers similarly to other plot-lines. By the end of the game, if you have talked to enough people and read enough data-pads, you can end up with a decent enough understanding of the Kett, the Angara, and the Uprising. However, it comes to you piecemeal. You're not given a clear initial summary of the key info when you first encounter it. People just tell you random bits about it. This would not have to be actually correct info, just enough to put all the bit and pieces you heard into context.
A good example is the Angara. You're given a bit of info by the governor and Evfra, but you only get a summary of their history (as they know it) from the Codex. It only makes total sense when you've chatted to dozens of npcs across the game.
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Post by Rascoth on Apr 25, 2017 17:32:29 GMT
And where's #StillInCryo option? On serious note, most likely none. I would wait and watch, trying to survive the shitstorm.
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Post by pantherdane on Apr 25, 2017 17:36:40 GMT
Loyalists but Tann would receive some friendly fire in the back.
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Post by alexg91 on May 2, 2017 10:56:48 GMT
Loyalist myself. I wouldn't sleep for 600 years, travel to another galaxy, and encounter a hostile alien race only to think the best option is for everybody to break up into factions creating more conflict and antagonizing the situation further. Don't get me wrong, the politics on the Nexus are BS and the leaders aren't the best for the job, but I wouldn't have joined the Initiative only to leave when things got ugly. ... That said, the handling of the Krogan situation might have made me re-consider...
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Post by Cyberstrike on May 4, 2017 21:19:34 GMT
I'm on whatever side that Kesh is on. She's the one keeping the damn station together and she's the one I need to survive. Tann, Addison, and Kelly, can go fuck themselves for all I care.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 4, 2017 23:10:06 GMT
I'm on whatever side that Kesh is on. She's the one keeping the damn station together and she's the one I need to survive. Tann, Addison, and Kelly, can go fuck themselves for all I care. Yeah Kesh is the best. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that can't really truly hate Addison. She's aggravating for sure, but I don't shake my fist at the screen like I did when the Council said anything XD
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Post by erikson on May 4, 2017 23:13:51 GMT
I'm on whatever side that Kesh is on. She's the one keeping the damn station together and she's the one I need to survive. Tann, Addison, and Kelly, can go fuck themselves for all I care. Yeah Kesh is the best. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that can't really truly hate Addison. She's aggravating for sure, but I don't shake my fist at the screen like I did when the Council said anything XD I don't get the hate for Addison and Tann. Sure they're annoying, but I've never wanted to strangle them like the Citadel Council or the Salarian Dalatrass. Those characters seem like they are just written to be stupid on purpose.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 4, 2017 23:19:36 GMT
Yeah Kesh is the best. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that can't really truly hate Addison. She's aggravating for sure, but I don't shake my fist at the screen like I did when the Council said anything XD I don't get the hate for Addison and Tann. Sure they're annoying, but I've never wanted to strangle them like the Citadel Council or the Salarian Dalatrass. Those characters seem like they are just written to be stupid on purpose. Well, they pretty much were written specifically to be aggravating and antagonistic. Just look at the rachni decision. No matter what you choose, they're not happy. You're either a genocidal jerk or an irresponsible jerk that may have doomed galactic civilization. The dalatrass is probably the worst offender though, because under her annoying voice and blatant prejudice she has a legitimate gripe, but somehow lacks any ability to articulate the problem with Wrex's terms.
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Post by erikson on May 4, 2017 23:23:57 GMT
I don't get the hate for Addison and Tann. Sure they're annoying, but I've never wanted to strangle them like the Citadel Council or the Salarian Dalatrass. Those characters seem like they are just written to be stupid on purpose. Well, they pretty much were written specifically to be aggravating and antagonistic. Just look at the rachni decision. No matter what you choose, they're not happy. You're either a genocidal jerk or an irresponsible jerk that may have doomed galactic civilization. The dalatrass is probably the worst offender though, because under her annoying voice and blatant prejudice she has a legitimate gripe, but somehow lacks any ability to articulate the problem with Wrex's terms. The Dalatrass also refuses help if you cure the gennophage. Hmmm...accept the cure or walk off in a huff and watch the galaxy implode. Stupid. As far as the Council, I guess this is a minor gripe with the writing, but they could have been more machiavellian and underhanded, but instead they just come off as incredibly simple minded.
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Post by Duke Cameron on May 5, 2017 6:57:59 GMT
I side with Sloane.
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Post by isaidlunch on May 5, 2017 12:05:09 GMT
I would have volunteered to go back in cryo.
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Post by Pyrceval78 on May 5, 2017 12:15:24 GMT
I wanted to set off a nuke on the Nexus.
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Post by Pounce de León on May 5, 2017 12:22:38 GMT
The Krogan, of course. Silly question.
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Post by Laughing_Crow on May 5, 2017 13:19:40 GMT
Probably would have tried to stay as neutral as possible, at least as a human player on a human Ark. Choice would depend on what race I was. I wonder if that group you meet on Eos could be considered a faction or if they turn into a faction? Advent - for which there's no explanation of who they are, who the leader is nor how they got to Eos.
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Post by Ahriman on May 5, 2017 13:23:46 GMT
Advent - for which there's no explanation of who they are, who the leader is nor how they got to Eos. Just another bunch of exiles. And they got there the way all exiles get everywhere.
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