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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 13:45:23 GMT
Akksul is a tormented and mental mess after the Kett kidnapped him. He doesn't really know what he's doing or saying anymore and has become desperate. I could buy that if it was actually shown instead of just being told to the player. And also miss the point. The problem is not that he was wrong, is how. His behaviour was not of a charimatic leader, tormented or not. Exactly. He's fallen from grace, so by not shooting him, he looks pretty bad by this point and the Roekaar see him as no longer fit to lead. He's not the charismatic guy who bested Jaal at everything anymore. He's a blathering idiot.
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Post by SofNascimento on Apr 23, 2017 13:55:58 GMT
I could buy that if it was actually shown instead of just being told to the player. And also miss the point. The problem is not that he was wrong, is how. His behaviour was not of a charimatic leader, tormented or not. Exactly. He's fallen from grace, so by not shooting him, he looks pretty bad by this point and the Roekaar see him as no longer fit to lead. He's not the charismatic guy who bested Jaal at everything anymore. He's a blathering idiot. Except he led them for a long time. So he was charismatic leader off screen and an idiot when you see him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 13:57:45 GMT
Exactly. He's fallen from grace, so by not shooting him, he looks pretty bad by this point and the Roekaar see him as no longer fit to lead. He's not the charismatic guy who bested Jaal at everything anymore. He's a blathering idiot. Except he led them for a long time. So he was charismatic leader off screen and an idiot when you see him. That I was disappointed with. I like Akksul and wanted to see this great guy the Moshae adored, but all we see is him after the Kett broke him.
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Post by Zeeix on Apr 23, 2017 14:02:07 GMT
"You are not a pathfinder until you have path found."
May not be correct, I think it was something similar to it.It was early in the game. I haven't gotten to far in the game yet perhaps many to still come across lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 14:04:38 GMT
"You are not a pathfinder until you have path found."May not be correct, I think it was something similar to it.It was early in the game. I haven't gotten to far in the game yet perhaps many to still come across lol. Addison lol I think the quote I cringed at is when Tann says something similar and even he cringes at how it sounded.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 23, 2017 14:11:58 GMT
Looting is wrong.
Pathfinder. Director Addison.
Say it loud, let them know, make them lead, or make them go!
Clan Nakmorth not taking orderth from nexuth trath anymore, nexuth trath. Thumbody get thith nexuth trath out of my fathe.
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Post by wiccame on Apr 23, 2017 14:23:36 GMT
The thing is with that is he did not have a valid reason for hating them, he just did blindly. He says so in a letter he writes. So he had nothing to come back with when Jaal talked them up. Convincing people to join a cause without actually saying anything or only saying BS is a hallmark of carismatics leaders, and we were told Askuul was just that. That confrontation shows he was far from it, he felt like a child being told he can't have a toy. And it's telling about the writing quality of Andromeda that that's not even the worst part of the mission. He was recruiting young people, people who probably knew nothing of the outsiders one way or another so they only had his word for it. It's easy to be charismatic and convincing when those you are trying to convince don't have the full story. They were brought up to basically hate aliens because of the Kett so that too wouldn't make it that difficult to sway them. Being confronted by the aliens and having Jaal there (who is pretty well known) standing up for them and then telling them that Ryder had save the Moshae, they clearly did not know that by the way they reacted. Akksul really didn't have anything he could say to that. And when he shot Jaal it just showed how crazy he was. He can't claim to be helping his people when he is attacking one of his own like that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 14:28:10 GMT
Convincing people to join a cause without actually saying anything or only saying BS is a hallmark of carismatics leaders, and we were told Askuul was just that. That confrontation shows he was far from it, he felt like a child being told he can't have a toy. And it's telling about the writing quality of Andromeda that that's not even the worst part of the mission. He was recruiting young people, people who probably knew nothing of the outsiders one way or another so they only had his word for it. It's easy to be charismatic and convincing when those you are trying to convince don't have the full story. They were brought up to basically hate aliens because of the Kett so that too wouldn't make it that difficult to sway them. Being confronted by the aliens and having Jaal there (who is pretty well known) standing up for them and then telling them that Ryder had save the Moshae, they clearly did not know that by the way they reacted. Akksul really didn't have anything he could say to that. And when he shot Jaal it just showed how crazy he was. He can't claim to be helping his people when he is attacking one of his own like that. He also tells Ryder to martyr him by killing him, knowing it'll prove him right about aliens, and is why the Roekaar get stronger if you do shoot him. When I tell him he's making it hard to keep my promise to not shoot him, he kind of loses it for a sec, then starts that speech.
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Post by wiccame on Apr 23, 2017 14:36:07 GMT
He was recruiting young people, people who probably knew nothing of the outsiders one way or another so they only had his word for it. It's easy to be charismatic and convincing when those you are trying to convince don't have the full story. They were brought up to basically hate aliens because of the Kett so that too wouldn't make it that difficult to sway them. Being confronted by the aliens and having Jaal there (who is pretty well known) standing up for them and then telling them that Ryder had save the Moshae, they clearly did not know that by the way they reacted. Akksul really didn't have anything he could say to that. And when he shot Jaal it just showed how crazy he was. He can't claim to be helping his people when he is attacking one of his own like that. He also tells Ryder to martyr him by killing him, knowing it'll prove him right about aliens, and is why the Roekaar get stronger if you do shoot him. When I tell him he's making it hard to keep my promise to not shoot him, he kind of loses it for a sec, then starts that speech. It's clear by that point he has lost all credibility as he becomes desperate to prove his cause just. By not shooting him Ryder forces his hand and that's when he loses it completely when he shoots Jaal. It just shows that this fight isn't about the aliens at all. It's about unhinged he has become.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 14:37:14 GMT
He also tells Ryder to martyr him by killing him, knowing it'll prove him right about aliens, and is why the Roekaar get stronger if you do shoot him. When I tell him he's making it hard to keep my promise to not shoot him, he kind of loses it for a sec, then starts that speech. It's clear by that point he has lost all credibility as he becomes desperate to prove his cause just. By not shooting him Ryder forces his hand and that's when he loses it completely when he shoots Jaal. It just shows that this fight isn't about the aliens at all. It's about unhinged he has become. You said it perfectly! I think they did a good job showing how the mighty have fallen.
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Post by wiccame on Apr 23, 2017 14:40:50 GMT
It's clear by that point he has lost all credibility as he becomes desperate to prove his cause just. By not shooting him Ryder forces his hand and that's when he loses it completely when he shoots Jaal. It just shows that this fight isn't about the aliens at all. It's about unhinged he has become. You said it perfectly! I think they did a good job showing how the mighty have fallen. It's actually one of, if not my most favourite scenes. I think it was done really well.
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Post by Reorte on Apr 23, 2017 16:20:37 GMT
It's clear by that point he has lost all credibility as he becomes desperate to prove his cause just. By not shooting him Ryder forces his hand and that's when he loses it completely when he shoots Jaal. It just shows that this fight isn't about the aliens at all. It's about unhinged he has become. You said it perfectly! I think they did a good job showing how the mighty have fallen. But really needed to be balanced with him being shown in full control. It would've been easy enough to throw the exiles and the way some angarra got treated by them in Ryder's face. Have him send Ryder a video showing him rescue some from an exile pirate attack, that's the sort of thing he could easily use to gain support and say "you lot are scum" to Ryder. I liked how Jaal had a scar on his cheek for the rest of the game though, nice little attention to detail.
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Post by timebean on Apr 23, 2017 19:17:25 GMT
Forgot about that one! So lame!!
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 23, 2017 20:49:47 GMT
"To me, that's the saddest part. The Chief's heart was broken right before it exploded"
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Post by Serza on Apr 23, 2017 20:57:04 GMT
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Post by bladefist on Apr 24, 2017 15:42:30 GMT
"Sorry Kett mine, not your day" - Ryder after shooting a mine
Then there's this idiot.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Apr 24, 2017 16:13:51 GMT
"I think I really pissed that one off. Maybe because I shot him in the face". That's the one I was gonna say. Really, ugh! Not just the line, the delivery.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 24, 2017 17:31:50 GMT
anything Liam says deserved to go on r/cringe
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 24, 2017 17:46:31 GMT
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 24, 2017 18:02:10 GMT
Cora's mumbling about Battle Manuals would have to be up there.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 24, 2017 22:04:36 GMT
Exactly. He's fallen from grace, so by not shooting him, he looks pretty bad by this point and the Roekaar see him as no longer fit to lead. He's not the charismatic guy who bested Jaal at everything anymore. He's a blathering idiot. Except he led them for a long time. So he was charismatic leader off screen and an idiot when you see him. Still a failure then. A video game, like any other visual medium, should show not tell major plot points. I'll accept that Akksul is so fucking great bc the game's tells me, but not because I've seen the evidence. I guess it's faith!
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Post by alexg91 on Apr 24, 2017 23:13:48 GMT
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Post by dragontartare on Apr 25, 2017 2:43:44 GMT
<snip> "A dockworker died doing routine maintenance outside the station. His name is being withheld until the next of kin in the Milky Way Galaxy can be notified."
I wonder if there is something that I missing that will make sense of this, which I hear everytime I go to the Nexus. <snip> I skimmed the thread and I don't think this was answered. I assumed the dockworker was asari or krogan, meaning his next of kin could still be alive by the time the message reaches the Milky Way. Still goofy, though.
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Anything Tann says
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Post by Furisco on Apr 25, 2017 5:57:29 GMT
This scene at least has a soundtrack. This game is a classic.
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