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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 26, 2017 14:20:00 GMT
So what is Andromeda plot then? Point A to rip off previous in series B, to then C, beat it all with an ugly stick and call it XYZ? Restoring world, exploring ruins, dealing with all the social aspect Shepard did not have to in ME, building colonies, gaining trust with new alien allies, restoring social interactions after massive social discontent, dealing with colony development, choosing who to save, finding alien secrets and shooting things. Is that why I was falling asleep going through the story parts of Andromeda?
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Post by themikefest on Apr 26, 2017 14:22:58 GMT
ME2 is awesome. For me its the best. It has Harbinger. One of the best characters in the trilogy and has one of the best scenes in the trilogy as well. Working with Cerberus was great. My Shepard likes Cerberus. Having Miranda on the squad is excellent. TIM is an excellent character. Its too bad my Shepard couldn't have a cigarette in one hand and a drink in the other when talking with him each time. My Shepard didn't care about the circus, I mean the Alliance, since they made no effort to confirm Shepard's death. She also liked Mr. Rupert Gardner. He had the most important job in the trilogy, keeping my Shepard fed. Yeah. ME2 is the best. I like ME1/3, just like ME2 more
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 14:26:48 GMT
Restoring world, exploring ruins, dealing with all the social aspect Shepard did not have to in ME, building colonies, gaining trust with new alien allies, restoring social interactions after massive social discontent, dealing with colony development, choosing who to save, finding alien secrets and shooting things. Is that why I was falling asleep going through the story parts of Andromeda? Agein, slow start. MEA issue is the the more interesting things about the plot are toward the end. Their is a reason why I said ME2 is the better game.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 14:31:49 GMT
ME2 is awesome. For me its the best. It has Harbinger. One of the best characters in the trilogy and has one of the best scenes in the trilogy as well. Working with Cerberus was great. My Shepard likes Cerberus. Having Miranda on the squad is excellent. TIM is an excellent character. Its too bad my Shepard couldn't have a cigarette in one hand and a drink in the other when talking with him each time. My Shepard didn't care about the circus, I mean the Alliance, since they made no effort to confirm Shepard's death. She also liked Mr. Rupert Gardner. He had the most important job in the trilogy, keeping my Shepard fed. Yeah. ME2 is the best. I like ME1/3, just like ME2 more *Reads the part about Harbinger. *Read again out of shock. *remembers when people in mass called him a lame duck villain who was equivalent as a threat as an old yelling at kids to get off his lawn. *no one remembers this...
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 26, 2017 14:35:59 GMT
Is that why I was falling asleep going through the story parts of Andromeda? Agein, slow start. MEA issue is the the more interesting things about the plot are toward the end. Their is a reason why I said ME2 is the better game. I've been checking the has anyone else just stopped playing thread, and many that have made it past the 20hrs slow start mark still say they haven't had the urge to finish the game. So I'm sorry, but your Andromeda "driving forward plot" is a fail.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 26, 2017 14:36:41 GMT
*Reads the part about Harbinger. *Read again out of shock. *remembers when people in mass called him a lame duck villain who was equivalent as a threat as an old yelling at kids to get off his lawn. *no one remembers this... So what?
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 14:40:17 GMT
*Reads the part about Harbinger. *Read again out of shock. *remembers when people in mass called him a lame duck villain who was equivalent as a threat as an old yelling at kids to get off his lawn. *no one remembers this... So what? Just point out how thing change for no reason over time.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 26, 2017 14:41:05 GMT
ME2 is awesome. For me its the best. It has Harbinger. One of the best characters in the trilogy and has one of the best scenes in the trilogy as well. Working with Cerberus was great. My Shepard likes Cerberus. Having Miranda on the squad is excellent. TIM is an excellent character. Its too bad my Shepard couldn't have a cigarette in one hand and a drink in the other when talking with him each time. My Shepard didn't care about the circus, I mean the Alliance, since they made no effort to confirm Shepard's death. She also liked Mr. Rupert Gardner. He had the most important job in the trilogy, keeping my Shepard fed. Yeah. ME2 is the best. I like ME1/3, just like ME2 more *Reads the part about Harbinger. *Read again out of shock. *remembers when people in mass called him a lame duck villain who was equivalent as a threat as an old yelling at kids to get off his lawn. *no one remembers this... Well everyone loves Harbinger from what I recall, must be all those cool one liners, yet everyone makes fun of crybaby Kettle head villain in Andromeda. That and Illusive Man was the other villain in ME2 everyone seems to forget. And nobody better question the depth of Illusive Man.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 14:41:50 GMT
Agein, slow start. MEA issue is the the more interesting things about the plot are toward the end. Their is a reason why I said ME2 is the better game. I've been checking the has anyone else just stopped playing thread, and many that have made it past the 20hrs slow start mark still say they haven't had the urge to finish the game. So I'm sorry, but your Andromeda "driving forward plot" is a fail. Just because some people don't like it means it bad in general. Do you have any idea how many found ME1 too boring to play when it first came out?
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 14:43:25 GMT
*Reads the part about Harbinger. *Read again out of shock. *remembers when people in mass called him a lame duck villain who was equivalent as a threat as an old yelling at kids to get off his lawn. *no one remembers this... Well everyone loves Harbinger from what I recall, must be all those cool one liners, yet everyone makes fun of crybaby Kettle head villain in Andromeda. That and Illusive Man was the other villain in ME2 everyone seems to forget. And nobody better question the depth of Illusive Man. no they don't. When people talk about villians of ME they bring up Saren or TIM. Harbinger is not a name brought up.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 26, 2017 14:43:42 GMT
I've been checking the has anyone else just stopped playing thread, and many that have made it past the 20hrs slow start mark still say they haven't had the urge to finish the game. So I'm sorry, but your Andromeda "driving forward plot" is a fail. Just because some people don't like it means it bad in general. Do you have any idea how many found ME1 too boring to play when it first came out? Dude, the story of Andromeda is shit. Let it go.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 26, 2017 14:46:20 GMT
Well everyone loves Harbinger from what I recall, must be all those cool one liners, yet everyone makes fun of crybaby Kettle head villain in Andromeda. That and Illusive Man was the other villain in ME2 everyone seems to forget. And nobody better question the depth of Illusive Man. no they don't. When people talk about villians of ME they bring up Saren or TIM. Harbinger is not a name brought up. So then stop acting like ME2 has no good villain and start admitting the villain of Andromeda is a cardboard cutout of a rock.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 14:57:24 GMT
Just because some people don't like it means it bad in general. Do you have any idea how many found ME1 too boring to play when it first came out? Dude, the story of Andromeda is shit. Let it go. no it's not. not when you compare it to ME2 which is just going from point a to b killing guys to press a button.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 14:59:08 GMT
no they don't. When people talk about villians of ME they bring up Saren or TIM. Harbinger is not a name brought up. So then stop acting like ME2 has no good villain and start admitting the villain of Andromeda is a cardboard cutout of a rock. I did not say ME2 did not have a good villain. I said harbinger was not a good villain. I also said many times over I have issue with the kett. I though that would translate to not liking the Archon as well.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 26, 2017 15:01:55 GMT
Dude, the story of Andromeda is shit. Let it go. no it's not. not when you compare it to ME2 which is just going from point a to b killing guys to press a button. Well point A to point B killing bad guys to press a button sounds more interesting then point A to falling asleep, wake up, to play something else.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 26, 2017 15:03:17 GMT
So then stop acting like ME2 has no good villain and start admitting the villain of Andromeda is a cardboard cutout of a rock. I did not say ME2 did not have a good villain. I said harbinger was not a good villain. I also said many times over I have issue with the kett. I though that would translate to not liking the Archon as well. Well then why are we talking about villains when we could be talking about Miranda's butt and how it gives us them sci-fi feels.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 15:09:09 GMT
no it's not. not when you compare it to ME2 which is just going from point a to b killing guys to press a button. Well point A to point B killing bad guys to press a button sounds more interesting then point A to falling asleep, wake up, to play something else. then why are you still here?
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 26, 2017 15:15:51 GMT
Well point A to point B killing bad guys to press a button sounds more interesting then point A to falling asleep, wake up, to play something else. then why are you still here? Multiplayer and putting Casey Hudson up on a pedestal where he belongs.
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Post by dm04 on Apr 26, 2017 15:43:20 GMT
Depends, and sure it has to do a lot with "personal taste". ME2 story is not bad, though quite dettached from the overall MEOT plot. It could have been a standalone game without Shepard and it would still work perfectly. MEA story isnt bad either, I see ME ME2 and MEA as equal in story quality (many people says ME story is the best, it is not, it got best pacing, delivery and twist though). sorry but ME2 is objectively has the worst main plot out of all the ME games. Compare it with ME1 and 3 and you can see my point. ME1 and 3 has twist and turn in their main plots. They had thing in it that surprises and change based on what is done. And each main mission in those game could be done in a different way and seen in a different perspective. ME1 surprises with things alien like the thorian, ME3 pulls your heart strings having you to choose gunning down a friend to gain an alliance to stop a current enemy or allowing a race who historically have population problems to breed in mass again to stop a current enemy. While ME2 you have, protheans are collectors...take that as you will.. ... MEA is a the very least better the that with it's main plot. It a least tries to do what ME1 did while ME2's main plot was still go from point a to b and kill some guys. You're killing some guys in fantastic places but still it's still just going around killing some guys. What are you talking about? ME2 being A to B to C... what is ME or ME3 any different? ME: go to Eden Prime, go to Citadel, go toTherum, go to Noveria, go to Feros, go to Virmire, go to Ilos, go to Citadel, end (A to B to C...) ME3: go to Earth, go to Mars, go to Citadel, go to Surkesh, go to Palaven, go to Tuchanka, go to Quarian/Geth space, go to Thessia, go to Earth, end (A to B to C...) Everything else is side content, optional... in ME, ME2, ME3 and MEA. IF you talk about the trilogy itself and the plot, ME2 is detached and not realy about the reapers and the threat to come and thats all. IF you want to talk about each game story, then you have to separate everything. ME we investigate the Geth (robots), but find out it is more about Saren (first twist), so we go after Saran and finaly find out it is about the Reapers (second twist). Between we got some Prothean, spice. Shall that be a GREAT story? No, it is average. ME3 ... did it even have any story? The story is lost to me past the first Citadel visit... Reapers hit earth, we go to Mars, find about the crucible, go to the Citadel, they finaly listen to us, from this point on it is just waiting till the Crucible is finished, the subplot (what is the Catalyst) is gone, revelead with the ending, thats all. The solutions to Quarian/Geth problem, the Krogan genophage problem... it is all sidecontent. This is not a great story. ME2 we die, we get ressurected, we join a terrorist organization we learned to hate in ME, find out someone is hitting human colonies (eh ME anyone, Geth hitting human colonies... gues it was not problem then), find out it is the collectors, go behind Omega relay, the end. Shall that be a great story? No, is it worse then what else we got? Nope. Then you speak about that decisions (ie Krogan breeding), but we got that in every game (yes even MEA), so what is the problem? The Thorian? Surely nice, but just sidcontent, not relevant to the main story and something like this is absent in ME3 and MEA. And twists? Well, we have 2 in ME and 1 in ME2 (maybe it is not aa strong as the reaper revelation, but it is on par if not better then finding out Saren is the problem and not the Geth). ME3 have... nothing, just can't remember any twist there... maybe the Catalyst, didn't see that coming. When I read your arguments it sounds like: One like choco ice cream, but hates vanilla, while both are served in the same waffle the guy says "the waffle is terrible when there is vanilla ice cream". The waffle is the waffle, it always tastes same. Except for the few spots where the ice cream touches it. Whatever, just my opinion.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 26, 2017 15:51:49 GMT
Just point out how thing change for no reason over time. I'm not sure anything's changed. Harbinger was unpopular then, and is unpopular now. That's of no concern to themikefest, of course. Just as the OP's feels or lack thereof aren't of any real concern to us, except to the extent we share them.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 26, 2017 15:53:40 GMT
Just point out how thing change for no reason over time. I'm not sure anything's changed. Harbinger was unpopular then, and is unpopular now. That's of no concern to themikefest, of course. Just as the OP's feels or lack thereof aren't of any real concern to us, except to the extent we share them. Sounds like you feels down.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 26, 2017 15:58:13 GMT
MEA is a the very least better the that with it's main plot. It a least tries to do what ME1 did while ME2's main plot was still go from point a to b and kill some guys. You're killing some guys in fantastic places but still it's still just going around killing some guys. ME3 ... did it even have any story? The story is lost to me past the first Citadel visit... Reapers hit earth, we go to Mars, find about the crucible, go to the Citadel, they finaly listen to us, from this point on it is just waiting till the Crucible is finished, the subplot (what is the Catalyst) is gone, revelead with the ending, thats all. The solutions to Quarian/Geth problem, the Krogan genophage problem... it is all sidecontent. This is not a great story. ME3 has the same story DA:O did; defeat a bunch of unrelated obstacles to gather strength for the final battle against the real enemy. It's a variant on the KotOR/ME1 plot where you defeat unrelated obstacles to get a component of the thing you need to reach the endgame.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 26, 2017 16:02:58 GMT
I'm not sure anything's changed. Harbinger was unpopular then, and is unpopular now. That's of no concern to themikefest, of course. Just as the OP's feels or lack thereof aren't of any real concern to us, except to the extent we share them. Sounds like you feels down. Heh. It's just that there's not much to talk about with feels. You get them from something or you don't.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 16:06:18 GMT
sorry but ME2 is objectively has the worst main plot out of all the ME games. Compare it with ME1 and 3 and you can see my point. ME1 and 3 has twist and turn in their main plots. They had thing in it that surprises and change based on what is done. And each main mission in those game could be done in a different way and seen in a different perspective. ME1 surprises with things alien like the thorian, ME3 pulls your heart strings having you to choose gunning down a friend to gain an alliance to stop a current enemy or allowing a race who historically have population problems to breed in mass again to stop a current enemy. While ME2 you have, protheans are collectors...take that as you will.. ... MEA is a the very least better the that with it's main plot. It a least tries to do what ME1 did while ME2's main plot was still go from point a to b and kill some guys. You're killing some guys in fantastic places but still it's still just going around killing some guys. What are you talking about? ME2 being A to B to C... what is ME or ME3 any different? ME: go to Eden Prime, go to Citadel, go toTherum, go to Noveria, go to Feros, go to Virmire, go to Ilos, go to Citadel, end (A to B to C...) ME3: go to Earth, go to Mars, go to Citadel, go to Surkesh, go to Palaven, go to Tuchanka, go to Quarian/Geth space, go to Thessia, go to Earth, end (A to B to C...) Everything else is side content, optional... in ME, ME2, ME3 and MEA. IF you talk about the trilogy itself and the plot, ME2 is detached and not realy about the reapers and the threat to come and thats all. IF you want to talk about each game story, then you have to separate everything. ME we investigate the Geth (robots), but find out it is more about Saren (first twist), so we go after Saran and finaly find out it is about the Reapers (second twist). Between we got some Prothean, spice. Shall that be a GREAT story? No, it is average. ME3 ... did it even have any story? The story is lost to me past the first Citadel visit... Reapers hit earth, we go to Mars, find about the crucible, go to the Citadel, they finaly listen to us, from this point on it is just waiting till the Crucible is finished, the subplot (what is the Catalyst) is gone, revelead with the ending, thats all. The solutions to Quarian/Geth problem, the Krogan genophage problem... it is all sidecontent. This is not a great story. ME2 we die, we get ressurected, we join a terrorist organization we learned to hate in ME, find out someone is hitting human colonies (eh ME anyone, Geth hitting human colonies... gues it was not problem then), find out it is the collectors, go behind Omega relay, the end. Shall that be a great story? No, is it worse then what else we got? Nope. Then you speak about that decisions (ie Krogan breeding), but we got that in every game (yes even MEA), so what is the problem? The Thorian? Surely nice, but just sidcontent, not relevant to the main story and something like this is absent in ME3 and MEA. And twists? Well, we have 2 in ME and 1 in ME2 (maybe it is not aa strong as the reaper revelation, but it is on par if not better then finding out Saren is the problem and not the Geth). ME3 have... nothing, just can't remember any twist there... maybe the Catalyst, didn't see that coming. When I read your arguments it sounds like: One like choco ice cream, but hates vanilla, while both are served in the same waffle the guy says "the waffle is terrible when there is vanilla ice cream". The waffle is the waffle, it always tastes same. Except for the few spots where the ice cream touches it. Whatever, just my opinion. Yes, it was. novaria we had to deal with corporation politics to even get started with the mission. Then we start the mission and finally got to a safe place at the base we had to investigate some more and pick the best way to get through security at the bases lock down to get to liara's mom. The we had a choice of the act genocide or saving a race in one of the most unquielly crafted conversations in the series. After the were had to deal with the rest of the rachni. And doing this extended to other side mission in the game. Feros we had to deal with a colony under fire which we had to investigate the people there, help the coloney have some foundation, and explore the environment around it to figure out what going on then once we did we were give a choice to destory the coloney one person at a time or save it. And then we met another alien on old being. ME3, we had to deal with even more politics with the salrians krogan,quarians and the geth. Given point on the debate on who to side with . Saw them at there best and worst, then had to make a choice based not only what you did in this game but the other previous 2 games. While in ME2 with the main quest you just start from point a, shoot some guys, talk to some scared tech if there even is a person to talk to, get to some turrent, and fight some guys as the turrents fire on a ship.(Horizon) Or start from point a , find out collectors are protheans , go to point b, ,find that's it's a trap, and fight your way from point b back to A. Sorry but ME2 main plot is the worse out of all the main plots of ME. And yes, ME2 is part of the reaper plot. thats the main reason why you go after the collectors. Fighting reaper prothean husks is still fighting the reapers. Now note I'm talking about the main plot, not the side one like the geth or any of the loyalty mission plots. I long time said the side stories for ME2 are fantactic, it's the main story that is the issue.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 26, 2017 16:08:10 GMT
then why are you still here? Multiplayer and putting Casey Hudson up on a pedestal where he belongs. ok. I'll give you a point for your bravado
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