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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 27, 2017 19:07:40 GMT
There is already a fondation for MEA 2, no need to build a game from scratch, they can rely on what they have already done, so its going to be shorter. No competent builder would build on a foundation this shaky. Shaky? They've now got the frostbite 3 working for a ME game, finally have a ME game on a next generation console, which alone saves a lot of time in the pre-production stage for the next ME game. That's also not taking in the fact that the guys that made this game were practically new being how it's a new studio with little to no experience with ME, they should only get better now that they have a game under their belt. they have a hell of a foundation in place as the reality, the question is can they make said foundation count. If you're using your dislike for the game as a bases that they have a "shaky" foundation you need to look much deeper into this, even the worst reviews out there for this game will admit the foundation is pretty good.
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Post by zeypher on Apr 27, 2017 19:16:25 GMT
No competent builder would build on a foundation this shaky. Shaky? They've now got the frostbite 3 working for a ME game, finally have a ME game on a next generation console, which alone saves a lot of time in the pre-production stage for the next ME game. That's also not taking in the fact that the guys that made this game were practically new being how it's a new studio with little to no experience with ME, they should only get better now that they have a game under their belt. they have a hell of a foundation in place as the reality, the question is can they make said foundation count. If you're using your dislike for the game as a bases that they have a "shaky" foundation you need to look much deeper into this, even the worst reviews out there for this game will admit the foundation is pretty good. We did this particular dance when DA:I came out. "they already did the work on frostbite 3 and MEA will be awesome"
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 27, 2017 19:18:33 GMT
No competent builder would build on a foundation this shaky. Shaky? They've now got the frostbite 3 working for a ME game, finally have a ME game on a next generation console, which alone saves a lot of time in the pre-production stage for the next ME game. That's also not taking in the fact that the guys that made this game were practically new being how it's a new studio with little to no experience with ME, they should only get better now that they have a game under their belt. they have a hell of a foundation in place as the reality, the question is can they make said foundation count. If you're using your dislike for the game as a bases that they have a "shaky" foundation you need to look much deeper into this, even the worst reviews out there for this game will admit the foundation is pretty good. Yep, I'm one of the more vocal "a**holes" about the state of the game when it arrived and the total unpolished feel to it, but it's good. The canvas is the issue, the artist needs more experience and developers are having to recreate systems that were never there. Not to mention, leadership seems abysmal from an outsider's perspective and all the junkies (I mean fans like myself) want bigger, better and longer-lasting every time. Five years... oh god... just put me in a cryo chamber until Dragon Age comes back.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 27, 2017 19:20:49 GMT
Shaky? They've now got the frostbite 3 working for a ME game, finally have a ME game on a next generation console, which alone saves a lot of time in the pre-production stage for the next ME game. That's also not taking in the fact that the guys that made this game were practically new being how it's a new studio with little to no experience with ME, they should only get better now that they have a game under their belt. they have a hell of a foundation in place as the reality, the question is can they make said foundation count. If you're using your dislike for the game as a bases that they have a "shaky" foundation you need to look much deeper into this, even the worst reviews out there for this game will admit the foundation is pretty good. We did this particular dance when DA:I came out. "they already did the work on frostbite 3 and MEA will be awesome" Exactly. 13 leads and Wynn leaving has nothing to do with the fans. We deserved better at launch.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 27, 2017 19:24:35 GMT
Shaky? They've now got the frostbite 3 working for a ME game, finally have a ME game on a next generation console, which alone saves a lot of time in the pre-production stage for the next ME game. That's also not taking in the fact that the guys that made this game were practically new being how it's a new studio with little to no experience with ME, they should only get better now that they have a game under their belt. they have a hell of a foundation in place as the reality, the question is can they make said foundation count. If you're using your dislike for the game as a bases that they have a "shaky" foundation you need to look much deeper into this, even the worst reviews out there for this game will admit the foundation is pretty good. We did this particular dance when DA:I came out. "they already did the work on frostbite 3 and MEA will be awesome" Well I'm not saying the next game will be awesome, I'm just saying the foundation is set where it can be awesome. i don't see how inquisition comes into play anyways when that studio didn't make this game. The current studio had no previous experience with the frostbite.
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Post by zeypher on Apr 27, 2017 19:31:38 GMT
You are telling me a company like EA does not share their tools? The entire point of using frostbite 3 was that the tools can be shared amongst studios for faster and efficient workflow.
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Post by derrame on Apr 27, 2017 19:36:56 GMT
i hope 2 or 3
but if they are working on the new dragon and the new ip and maybe a star wars game, then it could take longer than 3
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Post by toomanyclouds on Apr 27, 2017 19:40:59 GMT
You are telling me a company like EA does not share their tools? The entire point of using frostbite 3 was that the tools can be shared amongst studios for faster and efficient workflow. DA:I and ME:A were being developed concurrently for 2 or 3 years, though, so sharing may have been more difficult because the DA:I team didn't have their stuff finished, either, and by the time they could have shared, ME:A may have already been at a stage of development where they couldn't use it anymore. It's all speculation at this point, of course.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 27, 2017 19:43:06 GMT
You are telling me a company like EA does not share their tools? The entire point of using frostbite 3 was that the tools can be shared amongst studios for faster and efficient workflow. What good is sharing the tools if you still have to make things up from scratch and if you're a brand new studio with no previous experience? There's also not many other RPGs using the FB3 engine, and you can't have Andromeda build its game up like battlefield did. reality is Montreal built this game from scratch, they tried a completely new approach with making characters with face scans rather than how the originals did it as well as the inquisition, the combat isn't relateble to the inquisition to where they can borrow off it, they had to completely make up new models since they're on a next gen console and a different engine, there is no copy and past like ME1-3 did. its pretty clear that bioware started from scratch with this game. Having the tools given to them doesn't just make them better at their jobs though.
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Post by zeypher on Apr 27, 2017 19:52:08 GMT
Thats the bloody problem then. We know inquisition had better CC, except hair but rest was decent. This also applies to squad control, customization, crafting etc. My point is why did bio not share that with their own bloody studio?
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 27, 2017 20:00:30 GMT
Thats the bloody problem then. We know inquisition had better CC, except hair but rest was decent. This also applies to squad control, customization, crafting etc. My point is why did bio not share that with their own bloody studio? Have to be something to ask them. I know that just cause multiple studios are under one division, doesn't mean they have to make their games like the others. So I'd say Montreal wanted to be different than how Edmonton did inquisition. Because andromeda has so many differing features and such, I'd guess they wanted to experiment a little(and experimenting isn't always a good thing to do, especially when it differs from the original). The face scans are a neat idea, but I'd say it's not worth using untill they put serious work into it as right now it's an abomination.
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Post by rpgmaster on Apr 27, 2017 20:03:39 GMT
No competent builder would build on a foundation this shaky. Shaky? They've now got the frostbite 3 working for a ME game, finally have a ME game on a next generation console, which alone saves a lot of time in the pre-production stage for the next ME game. That's also not taking in the fact that the guys that made this game were practically new being how it's a new studio with little to no experience with ME, they should only get better now that they have a game under their belt. they have a hell of a foundation in place as the reality, the question is can they make said foundation count. If you're using your dislike for the game as a bases that they have a "shaky" foundation you need to look much deeper into this, even the worst reviews out there for this game will admit the foundation is pretty good. I think you and I have different definitions of "working".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 20:09:47 GMT
Thats the bloody problem then. We know inquisition had better CC, except hair but rest was decent. This also applies to squad control, customization, crafting etc. My point is why did bio not share that with their own bloody studio? Inquisition cc was targeting different player races, all of which has to look stylistically similar, so it is more anime style. ME games always had that artistic style that tried to make humans to look as real as possible rather more like anime characters. So, they started in a different place. Yes, there are less sliders, but to accurately portray specifically humans the cc suits better, however the variety will absolutely need to be addressed. Customization/crafting was never a big part of ME, so I frankly rather see them drop it out altogether, tbh than turn to Inquisition. Honestly, it seems very similar to Inquisition, pattern research, painstaking material accumulation, then click Station to craft. I am not even sure what's so different about the two, I think they lifted it pretty much completely from Inquisition. for squad control, I.e. The absence of it, they actually did borrow from their other game, but it was not Inquisition, it was SWTOR. They explained their reasoning by wanting to eliminate the necessity to pause during combat and add verticality and mobility for the PC. Like it or not, they specifically wanted something different. May be it is a hint of things to come, of them moving towards games with a soloist protagonist.
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Post by zeypher on Apr 27, 2017 20:16:08 GMT
Squadmates atm are bloody useless. The only single reason i even use Cora out of all squadmates is due to the shield boost ability.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 27, 2017 20:28:25 GMT
Shaky? They've now got the frostbite 3 working for a ME game, finally have a ME game on a next generation console, which alone saves a lot of time in the pre-production stage for the next ME game. That's also not taking in the fact that the guys that made this game were practically new being how it's a new studio with little to no experience with ME, they should only get better now that they have a game under their belt. they have a hell of a foundation in place as the reality, the question is can they make said foundation count. If you're using your dislike for the game as a bases that they have a "shaky" foundation you need to look much deeper into this, even the worst reviews out there for this game will admit the foundation is pretty good. I think you and I have different definitions of "working". Depends, what's not working for the frostbite 3?
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 27, 2017 20:53:28 GMT
2 1/2 to 3 years. Of couse we havn't heard squat about DA 4 yet and that will have been 3 years this fall since DAI came out
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Post by sdzald on Apr 27, 2017 20:55:28 GMT
If it is going to be like MEA they can wait another 50 years as far as I am concerned.
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