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Post by PillarBiter on Feb 5, 2019 11:16:02 GMT
Kobrashade @kobrashade@benirvo @gamblemike How will balancing be applied to concepts of double stacking certain weapons across and entire team? Double stacking buffs etc? Ben Irving @benirvoThis is a great question but it doesn’t have a simple answer. We will review case by case. We are currently ok with stacking double shields (windfall / bulwark) we are maaaybe ok with stacking muster point, we are not ok with a certain sniper rifles damage No touchie the Devastator Shapers be damned! Ah, it was fun while it lasted
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Post by Kroitz on Feb 5, 2019 11:19:11 GMT
Kobrashade @kobrashade@benirvo @gamblemike How will balancing be applied to concepts of double stacking certain weapons across and entire team? Double stacking buffs etc? Ben Irving @benirvoThis is a great question but it doesn’t have a simple answer. We will review case by case. We are currently ok with stacking double shields (windfall / bulwark) we are maaaybe ok with stacking muster point, we are not ok with a certain sniper rifles damage No touchie the Devastator
Wait, I thought without PVP you can have crazy fun damage.
What is happening?
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 5, 2019 12:14:37 GMT
No touchie the Devastator
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Post by acehilator on Feb 5, 2019 13:42:00 GMT
I can imagine some EA marketing exec going: 'not yet...' but this has to be irritating to all concerned for the next few days...
Skill Up made a nice video about this BS (skip to 12:44 for MTX topic):
He is 100% right in this regard, Bioware/EA are lying to their potential players/customers, plain and simple.
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 5, 2019 13:53:30 GMT
I can imagine some EA marketing exec going: 'not yet...' but this has to be irritating to all concerned for the next few days...
Skill Up made a nice video about this BS (skip to 12:44 for MTX topic):
He is 100% right in this regard, Bioware/EA are lying to their potential players/customers, plain and simple.
100%? Really? 🙄
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 5, 2019 15:43:09 GMT
I can imagine some EA marketing exec going: 'not yet...' but this has to be irritating to all concerned for the next few days... Skill Up made a nice video about this BS (skip to 12:44 for MTX topic):
He is 100% right in this regard, Bioware/EA are lying to their potential players/customers, plain and simple.
They are not - sorry, I don't usually mind SkillUp, but it's clear that he's BSing to keep the controversy going. It's just 'it's EA! They already know how much they want to price MTX!' with absolutely no other substance in the argument whatsoever, just to easily claim that they either lie or know the truth that they don't want to share.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 5, 2019 16:16:24 GMT
No touchie the Devastator (but let's be real here... it was the first on the nerfing block) FTFY. That change was made to the full game weeks ago, is my bet.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 5, 2019 16:19:32 GMT
Skill Up playing #Anthem @skillupytThanks Michael. Are you able to tell us how much the shards/real money cost of major cosmetic items? Thanks. Well, that's pretty ballsy, given that SkillUp posted a negative review of Anthem after the public demo. "Thanks, and please give me more things to criticize. Thanks again."
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Post by acehilator on Feb 5, 2019 16:46:08 GMT
They are not - sorry, I don't usually mind SkillUp, but it's clear that he's BSing to keep the controversy going. It's just 'it's EA! They already know how much they want to price MTX!' with absolutely no other substance in the argument whatsoever, just to easily claim that they either lie or know the truth that they don't want to share. They are. The substance of the argument is the timeline of the project, future budgets for future development of the game already accounted for at this time, and EA being the absolute number 1 in the MTX business, with years of experience, technology and most importantly, mountains of data to get what they want. People need to stop being naive about the possibilites of Big Data. It's not 2014 anymore. It's either the above, or they are not competent enough to run a lemonade stand. And even though I am pretty anti-EA (even though I don't normally play EA games, just because of their business practices), I cannot deny that they are really really good at what they do. Second half of 2018 was the first time they felt the sting from all the shady crap they are constantly pulling.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 5, 2019 16:47:03 GMT
(but let's be real here... it was the first on the nerfing block) FTFY. That change was made to the full game weeks ago, is my bet. Well, we do know that the balancing in the demo was different than what we can expect in the full game.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 5, 2019 16:55:21 GMT
I have every expectation that BioWare cannot say anything meaningful about the game economy, ahead of the scheduled EA Earnings Call in a few hours. ir.ea.com/calendar-and-events/default.aspxTo do so might constitute a financial communication just ahead of another prepared financial communication from corporate EA Finance. Once the Quarterlies are done, I think the chance of an economy reveal increase from zero to small, though they may equally wait until the trial goes live. The balance is going to be: outrage over disclosure vs, outrage over non-disclosure.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 5, 2019 17:06:03 GMT
They are not - sorry, I don't usually mind SkillUp, but it's clear that he's BSing to keep the controversy going. It's just 'it's EA! They already know how much they want to price MTX!' with absolutely no other substance in the argument whatsoever, just to easily claim that they either lie or know the truth that they don't want to share. They are. The substance of the argument is the timeline of the project, future budgets for future development of the game already accounted for at this time, and EA being the absolute number 1 in the MTX business, with years of experience, technology and most importantly, mountains of data to get what they want. People need to stop being naive about the possibilites of Big Data. It's not 2014 anymore. It's either the above, or they are not competent enough to run a lemonade stand. And even though I am pretty anti-EA (even though I don't normally play EA games, just because of their business practices), I cannot deny that they are really really good at what they do. The substance of the argument is SkillUp making claims about things he clearly has only uneducated guesses about. So do I, for that matter, but I'm not making bullish, unsubstantiated statements to a considerable audience willing to gobble a convenient narrative I can make money from. The Bioware dev has stated in his response on reddit that the MTX will be pretty much constantly adjusted - prior or POST-launch. And why shouldn't they? I don't know if you've noticed, but gaming market is a very dynamic, if not a volatile place where things (or what is acceptable in the public view) can change within months, and that's entirely aside from constantly updated projections for a single title like Anthem. I mean, by your logic EA is so skilled and experienced in pulling money out of people's pockets that it'd be absolutely impossible for them to bungle it the way they with Battlefront II little over a year ago. Yet they DID. And that was 2017 and not 2014. They had to backpedal adding the FIFA-ish card system to their other titles so fast that you can still see skid marks on their charts Suddenly the MTX in their titles like Anthem or that BR Titanfall game are cosmetic only, when not so long ago it wasn't necessarily the case. And it's not just them who are rapidly shaking up their monetization practices, as the market changes yet again. You mean just like the WHOLE of tech industry did, together with wild swings all over the stock market? Sheesh, it's not like we saw big gamer youtubers who made claims like that they had to backpedal furiously themselves once they realized how uninformed they made themselves look....
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 5, 2019 17:06:49 GMT
I can imagine some EA marketing exec going: 'not yet...' but this has to be irritating to all concerned for the next few days...
Skill Up made a nice video about this BS (skip to 12:44 for MTX topic):
He is 100% right in this regard, Bioware/EA are lying to their potential players/customers, plain and simple.
Hm... He's right regarding monetisation pricing.
No company execs in their right mind will leave this crucial online revenue projections to be determined at launch. EA is forced to provide financial Guidance for the next Qs to their investors. And..... it has to be as accurate as possible. For example: Q3 2019 projection to their investors was $1.375B. You just don't pull that number out of a magician's hat.
While there is room for small pricing flexibility, the overall target projections won't change once the Guidance is issued..... unless, as with Nvidia, their revenue dropped into the crapper.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 5, 2019 17:09:39 GMT
They are not - sorry, I don't usually mind SkillUp, but it's clear that he's BSing to keep the controversy going. It's just 'it's EA! They already know how much they want to price MTX!' with absolutely no other substance in the argument whatsoever, just to easily claim that they either lie or know the truth that they don't want to share. They are. The substance of the argument is the timeline of the project, future budgets for future development of the game already accounted for at this time, and EA being the absolute number 1 in the MTX business, with years of experience, technology and most importantly, mountains of data to get what they want. People need to stop being naive about the possibilites of Big Data. It's not 2014 anymore. It's either the above, or they are not competent enough to run a lemonade stand. And even though I am pretty anti-EA (even though I don't normally play EA games, just because of their business practices), I cannot deny that they are really really good at what they do. Second half of 2018 was the first time they felt the sting from all the shady crap they are constantly pulling. Why are the only two possibilities LIARS or IDIOTS? Why should EA be held to a higher standard for financial disclosure than any other public company? Particularly when a reasonable argument can be made that revealing mtx economy details ahead of launch could materially effect stock value? In either direction. Pumping up the stock with inflated mtx values is just as bad as depressing the stock with appeasement mtx values. Not to mention that revealing mtx economy details could trigger the revenue recognition clock. What I find idiotic are over-simplified arguments that are ignorant of the fiduciary responsibilities of public companies, not to mention common sense. SkillUp and Tarmack need to go take some classes on basic investment and company balance sheet interpretation.
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 5, 2019 17:10:27 GMT
Emily (aka Domino) Taylor pentapodDear computer game players who prefer to play solo, not co-op/multiplayer ... why do you prefer to play alone? What prevents you from trying multiplayer games? (As someone who's gameplay has been very MMO-focused, I'm curious!) Emily (aka Domino) Taylor pentapodWow, 1200+ replies and it hasn't even been a day yet. Thank you so much for all the thoughtful responses! I am trying to read them all but can't possibly reply to all of them. I'm definitely seeing some common trends though and getting a good picture of what the biggest ones are.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 5, 2019 17:14:15 GMT
Not to mention that revealing mtx economy details could trigger the revenue recognition clock. I think this is absolutely a real risk. Once you officially confirm the price of a thing, you have to officially account for that thing.
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 5, 2019 17:14:34 GMT
They are. The substance of the argument is the timeline of the project, future budgets for future development of the game already accounted for at this time, and EA being the absolute number 1 in the MTX business, with years of experience, technology and most importantly, mountains of data to get what they want. People need to stop being naive about the possibilites of Big Data. It's not 2014 anymore. It's either the above, or they are not competent enough to run a lemonade stand. And even though I am pretty anti-EA (even though I don't normally play EA games, just because of their business practices), I cannot deny that they are really really good at what they do. The substance of the argument is SkillUp making claims about things he clearly has only uneducated guesses about. I too, for that matter, but I'm not making bullish, unsubstantiated statements to a considerable audience willing to gobble a convenient narrative I can make money from. Yeah, I always find it amusing that the so-called well-informed gamer will come on here and rail against disinformation from EA by quoting click-baity articles and YouTubers dependent on site traffic and Patreon/YouTube subs.
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Post by acehilator on Feb 5, 2019 17:37:20 GMT
midnight tea: BF2 was a minor inconvenience at this point. And Apple and social media companies are dragging EA down... because herd behaviour? lol And I was referring to 2014 in regards to Big Data technology in general, not in regards to EA specifically. PapaCharlie9: I don't care about EA playing it close to their chest. But if they want to do that, they should stop lying about it. Just issue a simple statement as an answer to all inquires regarding MTX: Our roadmap for MTX in Anthem for the first three months is done, we will release the pricing model one week prior to the launch of the game. Done. It's not really that hard.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 5, 2019 17:37:38 GMT
Not to mention that revealing mtx economy details could trigger the revenue recognition clock. I think this is absolutely a real risk. Once you officially confirm the price of a thing, you have to officially account for that thing.
That said, there is nothing preventing EA from issuing hourly, daily, weekly and monthly specials of "fixed price items".
It's one of many things I'll be looking to see post Anthem launch, including the grind time to buy stuff "for free".
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 5, 2019 17:38:00 GMT
The substance of the argument is SkillUp making claims about things he clearly has only uneducated guesses about. I too, for that matter, but I'm not making bullish, unsubstantiated statements to a considerable audience willing to gobble a convenient narrative I can make money from. Yeah, I always find it amusing that the so-called well-informed gamer will come on here and rail against disinformation from EA by quoting click-baity articles and YouTubers dependent on site traffic and Patreon/YouTube subs. It's disheartening to see some folks switch off critical thinking faculties the moment they encounter a 'David vs. Goliath' narrative - they rile against Goliath, while ignoring that David is making a decent living out of their outrage. And I'm not going to accuse ALL youtubers/critics of that, nor going to defend EA or other big corpo entities for questionable practices - but I don't see how cases of over-simplified, black-and-white stories people tell themselves are supposed to make things better for anyone.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 5, 2019 17:42:05 GMT
midnight tea : BF2 was a minor inconvenience at this point. And Apple and social media companies are dragging EA down... because herd behaviour? lol And I was referring to 2014 in regards to Big Data technology in general, not in regards to EA specifically. A minor inconvenience EA clearly doesn't want to repeat. Also... herd behavior? Are you aware of what was/is going on with the economy at large and how that has affected different sectors?
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 5, 2019 17:51:53 GMT
Yeah, I always find it amusing that the so-called well-informed gamer will come on here and rail against disinformation from EA by quoting click-baity articles and YouTubers dependent on site traffic and Patreon/YouTube subs. It's disheartening to see some folks switch off critical thinking faculties the moment they encounter a 'David vs. Goliath' narrative - they rile against Goliath, while ignoring that David is making a decent living out of their outrage. And I'm not going to accuse ALL youtubers/critics of that, nor going to defend EA or other big corpo entitles for questionable practices - but I don't see how cases of over-simplified, black-and-white stories people tell themselves are supposed to make things better for anyone. Yeah, it's right that you shouldn't accuse all. There are some YouTubers presenting balanced, nuanced arguments and breakdowns of video game development and the business side of things. We should absolutely always remember that EA/BioWare are a business and will try to maximize profit. They are not our friends. The relationship is transactional - you tell me what you are going to put in the game and I'll decide if I'll buy it or not. It's all neutral and fair until they muddy the water with mid-dev changes and backtracking. You can't correct that, though, if the "evidence" you are presenting on your YouTube is equally shady.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 5, 2019 17:53:46 GMT
That said, there is nothing preventing EA from issuing hourly, daily, weekly and monthly specials of "fixed price items".
It's one of many things I'll be looking to see post Anthem launch, including the grind time to buy stuff "for free". The sensible move is to build a buffer of COIN and only blow part of the stash if something comes along that is time-gated or a good offer.
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 5, 2019 18:14:34 GMT
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 5, 2019 18:20:26 GMT
That said, there is nothing preventing EA from issuing hourly, daily, weekly and monthly specials of "fixed price items".
It's one of many things I'll be looking to see post Anthem launch, including the grind time to buy stuff "for free". The sensible move is to build a buffer of COIN and only blow part of the stash if something comes along that is time-gated or a good offer. The way I see it so far is that - if I end up playing Anthem regularly - I'd probably be long-term saving money for cool-looking armor set while spending a few $ every now and then for textures, vinyls or a cool timed offers.
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