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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Jun 12, 2017 20:09:06 GMT
Why are we suddenly discussing DA as if it's future's at stake? As of now, there's no indication that there's any danger to the franchise or whatever direction BW would like to take it - and while bound by contracts, the devs keep winking at us faster than hummingbird's wings. There's clearly another DA in development. There's no clear indication what sort of game it will be. Personally, I'd like a refinement of DAI's design. Meatier ruleset and a better UI, but otherwise the same. |
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Post by kumazan on Jun 12, 2017 20:09:27 GMT
The Baldur's Gate people saying that would probably be right  BioWare's path down the wrong road started when they released that abomination Baldur's Gate! They must return to their roots! Give me Shattered Steel 2!!!! Absolutely! It's terrible that such a great IP was abandoned in favour of filthy RPGs: Now this reminds me of something...  |
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 12, 2017 20:09:56 GMT
True, but what choice did they have? They couldn't grow revenue for EA without doing something new -- turning the crank on another Bioware-style RPG wasn't going to do it revenue-wise. This is very clear from the instant attention Anthem has attracted from Destiny/Division fans, some of whom have never even heard of Bioware. And now that the ME franchise is shelved, DA was going to be their only revenue stream. At least this way, if Anthem succeeds, DA's future is secure. Anthem failing is the same as not doing Anthem at all, so that's a wash and DA is put in jeopardy either way. You do have a point about resources, though. I'm afraid the institutional knowledge for how to do story-driven RPG is being lost, Anthem or no Anthem. Maybe RPG needs to hit a low point for a few years before some new studio comes along and breathes new life into it, kind of like how platformers and 8-bit games got resurrected. And what will DA end up becoming? A game where you can fly on griffins |
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2017 20:11:17 GMT
Now this reminds me of something... ... Are you suggesting they've been sitting on this passion project since '96?  |
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Jun 12, 2017 20:11:22 GMT
The Baldur's Gate people saying that would probably be right BioWare's path down the wrong road started when they released that abomination Baldur's Gate! They must return to their roots! Give me Shattered Steel 2!!!! I've argued for years that BioWare got it just about perfect when they released Baldur's Gate, but have been heading is largely the wrong direction ever since. BG2 was a big step backward, NWN was a return to form, but then KotOR was disappointingly small and they didn't release anything truly good until DAO and DAI. |
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2017 20:11:44 GMT
And what will DA end up becoming? A game where you can fly on griffins I will fite you. I want dragon flying. |
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Post by kumazan on Jun 12, 2017 20:14:42 GMT
Now this reminds me of something... ... Are you suggesting they've been sitting on this passion project since '96? People did want BioWare to go back to their roots. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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Post by arvaarad on Jun 12, 2017 20:15:36 GMT
Nier:Automata? Undertale? Journey? LittleBigPlanet? Bayonetta? Katamari Damacy? BioShock? Papers, Please? Shadow of the Colossus? Unless you mean all Bioware games have been derivative, in which case I might say Jade Empire, but that's borderline I admit. elite dangerous :3 Hatoful boyfriend *lol* the persona games are derivative of person games, but well obvious shit is obvious I mean, technically Hatoful Boyfriend has all the tropes of a normal dating sim. The "you're a post-apocalyptic cavewoman at a school for intelligent birds" part is novel, but the underlying structure adheres very closely to standard dating sims. It's got the childhood friend, the teacher romance, the rich spoiled guy, the quiet guy, the jock, the actually-nice bad boy, the actually-evil bad boy doctor who kills your classmates and feeds them to you... all the usual bits. |
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2017 20:17:09 GMT
elite dangerous :3 Hatoful boyfriend *lol* the persona games are derivative of person games, but well obvious shit is obvious I mean, technically Hatoful Boyfriend has all the tropes of a normal dating sim. The "you're a post-apocalyptic cavewoman at a school for intelligent birds" part is novel, but the underlying structure adheres very closely to standard dating sims. It's got the childhood friend, the teacher romance, the rich spoiled guy, the quiet guy, the jock, the actually-nice bad boy, the actually-evil bad boy doctor who kills your classmates and feeds them to you... all the usual bits. Yep, the main innovation basically amounts to crazy story idea. |
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Post by Iakus on Jun 12, 2017 20:22:53 GMT
And what will DA end up becoming? A game where you can fly on griffins With griffins being one-use items you can buy at the Dragon Age Store for $5 each?  |
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 12, 2017 20:24:10 GMT
A game where you can fly on griffins I will fite you. I want dragon flying. Yaaaaaaaas. |
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Post by Iakus on Jun 12, 2017 20:25:55 GMT
And what will DA end up becoming? Why are we suddenly discussing DA as if it's future's at stake? As of now, there's no indication that there's any danger to the franchise or whatever direction BW would like to take it - and while bound by contracts, the devs keep winking at us faster than hummingbird's wings. DA the franchise is not at stake. As such. But if Anthem is going to be Bioware's big moneymaker now, then the pressure on Dragon Age (and Mass Effect) will likely be to become more LIKE Anthem. |
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Post by FireAndBlood on Jun 12, 2017 20:25:59 GMT
Now this reminds me of something... My prayers have been answered! |
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Post by arvaarad on Jun 12, 2017 20:26:47 GMT
I mean, technically Hatoful Boyfriend has all the tropes of a normal dating sim. The "you're a post-apocalyptic cavewoman at a school for intelligent birds" part is novel, but the underlying structure adheres very closely to standard dating sims. It's got the childhood friend, the teacher romance, the rich spoiled guy, the quiet guy, the jock, the actually-nice bad boy, the actually-evil bad boy doctor who kills your classmates and feeds them to you... all the usual bits. Yep, the main innovation basically amounts to crazy story idea. If I recall correctly, it's intentional. Part of the idea was to poke fun at some of the standard dating sim roles by filling them entirely with pigeons, but otherwise keeping the tropes exactly the same. Though, on the other hand, that's a surprising amount of effort to go to in order to make a joke about dating sims, so I'm sure it's since morphed into hey, dating "intelligent pigeons who can somehow take down full-sized humans with meat cleavers despite lacking opposable thumbs" is kind of fun on its own merits. |
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2017 20:32:43 GMT
Why are we suddenly discussing DA as if it's future's at stake? As of now, there's no indication that there's any danger to the franchise or whatever direction BW would like to take it - and while bound by contracts, the devs keep winking at us faster than hummingbird's wings. DA the franchise is not at stake. As such. But if Anthem is going to be Bioware's big moneymaker now, then the pressure on Dragon Age (and Mass Effect) will likely be to become more LIKE Anthem. That's one way to think about it. ... Another is for Anthem to take the pressure OFF their sRPGs to be like anything else, and instead be what they want them to be. Also - we don't really know what Anthem will be like, aside from what was released. And if the game also has great story and other standard 'Biowary' thing that people like, then it being LIKE Anthem in that regard shouldn't really worry anyone. |
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 12, 2017 20:34:38 GMT
Why are we suddenly discussing DA as if it's future's at stake? As of now, there's no indication that there's any danger to the franchise or whatever direction BW would like to take it - and while bound by contracts, the devs keep winking at us faster than hummingbird's wings. DA the franchise is not at stake. As such. But if Anthem is going to be Bioware's big moneymaker now, then the pressure on Dragon Age (and Mass Effect) will likely be to become more LIKE Anthem. A concern, but not one I'm willing to freak out about yet. I suspect DA4 will be safe, as it seems to already be in development and I doubt they would force it to change until after Anthem has proven itself, at which point it will probably be too late in development to totally redesign the premise around drop in coop, though they could theoretically have some additional coop features put in. I'm honestly more worried about what EA will do if Anthem bombs. |
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 12, 2017 20:36:30 GMT
And what will DA end up becoming? A game where you can fly on griffins Or just fly. Then I can be like Hrungr and his trainer hack ...  |
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Post by Max Deltree on Jun 12, 2017 20:40:35 GMT
On the top of my head I can't think of a game that it wasn't derivative in some way in years. Nier:Automata? Undertale? Journey? LittleBigPlanet? Bayonetta? Katamari Damacy? BioShock? Papers, Please? Shadow of the Colossus? Unless you mean all Bioware games have been derivative, in which case I might say Jade Empire, but that's borderline I admit. While these are all great games, some are derivative in some way: Nier = Drakengard + Devil May Cry LBP = Minecraft, I guess? Bayonetta = Devil May Cry Bioshock = System Shock My point is that being derivative doesn't make it automatically bad.  |
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 12, 2017 20:42:23 GMT
And what will DA end up becoming? Why are we suddenly discussing DA as if it's future's at stake? As of now, there's no indication that there's any danger to the franchise or whatever direction BW would like to take it - and while bound by contracts, the devs keep winking at us faster than hummingbird's wings. It's not sudden. It started when the ME franchise was put on hiatus and Montreal was downsized. Between now and when Anthem ships, Bioware contributes no new revenue streams to EA, only incremental over existing games. Any revenue that would have come from MEA DLCs is down the toilet. That's never a good thing for a studio and that's a painfully long time to not be producing new revenue. I'm not saying it's a certain or imminent threat to the future of DA, but it sure didn't help. If Anthem also fails, I am going to be very, very worried about DA. Larger studios have been shutdown for less. |
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2017 20:52:13 GMT
Why are we suddenly discussing DA as if it's future's at stake? As of now, there's no indication that there's any danger to the franchise or whatever direction BW would like to take it - and while bound by contracts, the devs keep winking at us faster than hummingbird's wings. It's not sudden. It started when the ME franchise was put on hiatus and Montreal was downsized. Between now and when Anthem ships, Bioware contributes no new revenue streams to EA, only incremental over existing games. Any revenue that would have come from MEA DLCs is down the toilet. That's never a good thing for a studio and that's a painfully long time to not be producing new revenue. I'm not saying it's a certain or imminent threat to the future of DA, but it sure didn't help. I'm fairly sure DA2 or ME3's ending was much bigger "not helping" moment. And Montreal was downsized... and many devs from Bioware were put in the same building as EA Motive to work on helping with polishing Battlefront 2. With so many of their folks having experience with Frostbite they can earn their checks by helping ship other titles EA is banking on. Also - while I can't predict what will be people's reaction to released Anthem, I think worrying about game that is scheduled to be released more than a year from now is just unhealthy. I'm fairly sure Bioware's folks know what's at stakes, so is EA and they're going to put extra effort there. So far, they've been successful in creating a lot of positive hype for the game and until they'll reveal more, let's tone done on worrying |
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 12, 2017 20:53:05 GMT
Why are we suddenly discussing DA as if it's future's at stake? As of now, there's no indication that there's any danger to the franchise or whatever direction BW would like to take it - and while bound by contracts, the devs keep winking at us faster than hummingbird's wings. DA the franchise is not at stake. As such. But if Anthem is going to be Bioware's big moneymaker now, then the pressure on Dragon Age (and Mass Effect) will likely be to become more LIKE Anthem. I'm much less concerned about that. As long as Bioware is pulling it's top-line weight for EA, there's no reason to mess with DA. Arguably, ME trilogy was more successful financially than DA, but I don't think DA was forced to be more like ME. If anything, it was the other way around. |
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Post by Petroshenko on Jun 12, 2017 20:53:41 GMT
More tweeting the devs people. Ask them to confirm 3rd person (option) at all times, not just inside when suited
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Post by Iakus on Jun 12, 2017 20:55:36 GMT
DA the franchise is not at stake. As such. But if Anthem is going to be Bioware's big moneymaker now, then the pressure on Dragon Age (and Mass Effect) will likely be to become more LIKE Anthem. A concern, but not one I'm willing to freak out about yet. I suspect DA4 will be safe, as it seems to already be in development and I doubt they would force it to change until after Anthem has proven itself, at which point it will probably be too late in development to totally redesign the premise around drop in coop, though they could theoretically have some additional coop features put in. I'm honestly more worried about what EA will do if Anthem bombs. It's not going to bomb. It's a shooter. It WILL make money. |
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Post by Iakus on Jun 12, 2017 20:57:28 GMT
DA the franchise is not at stake. As such. But if Anthem is going to be Bioware's big moneymaker now, then the pressure on Dragon Age (and Mass Effect) will likely be to become more LIKE Anthem. I'm much less concerned about that. As long as Bioware is pulling it's top-line weight for EA, there's no reason to mess with DA. Arguably, ME trilogy was more successful financially than DA, but I don't think DA was forced to be more like ME. If anything, it was the other way around. You don't think DAMP was inspired by ME3? Or the more action-heavy "streamlined" combat system? Especially after DAO was a "get back to our roots" style RPG? |
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Post by Petroshenko on Jun 12, 2017 20:59:38 GMT
A concern, but not one I'm willing to freak out about yet. I suspect DA4 will be safe, as it seems to already be in development and I doubt they would force it to change until after Anthem has proven itself, at which point it will probably be too late in development to totally redesign the premise around drop in coop, though they could theoretically have some additional coop features put in. I'm honestly more worried about what EA will do if Anthem bombs. It's not going to bomb. It's a shooter. It WILL make money. There's plenty of shooters that bomb, EA in particular had a lot of them in early days of desperate COD money-chase |
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