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Post by ZaudStorm™ on Apr 27, 2017 12:42:26 GMT
Ik that they left in 2185 but was it after the suicide mission in ME2 or before Shepard was brought back to life?  |
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 12:46:50 GMT
I think it was before the collectors were known to be abducting colonists. Pretty sure the Illusive Man has a hand in anonymously funding the Initiative as a back up plan before relying on Shepard. (Unconfirmed)
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 27, 2017 13:01:58 GMT
Ik that they left in 2185 but was it after the suicide mission in ME2 or before Shepard was brought back to life? None of these things are set in stone timeline wise. Only Bahak destruction is canonized to happen in early 2186. Considering their impact on galactic community they weren't very important either. Colony problems were common in Terminus Systems and Shepard was considered KIA for a while even after resurrection. |
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Post by Moleman on Apr 27, 2017 13:03:25 GMT
Before the game came out people were saying that the AI launches after the suicide mission but before Lair of the Shadow Broker. We don't know for sure though. What we know for sure is that Garrus tells his dad about the whole Reaper thing after he departs the SR2 and Alec learns about them from Castis thus speeding up the launch. |
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Post by Iakus on Apr 27, 2017 14:59:26 GMT
I think we were told that it was after the events of ME2, but before the Reaper invasion.
So in that six month period that Shepard was locked up on Earth.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 27, 2017 15:01:46 GMT
I'm curious when the quarian ship left. I'm sure that might be answered in a dlc or the next game
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 27, 2017 15:02:48 GMT
I think it was before the collectors were known to be abducting colonists. Pretty sure the Illusive Man has a hand in anonymously funding the Initiative as a back up plan before relying on Shepard. (Unconfirmed) nope. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 27, 2017 15:05:16 GMT
Here's the thing. They left at the very least after project overlord and around the time Garrus told his dad about the reapers. So it's clearly between me2 and 3.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 27, 2017 15:10:10 GMT
After ME2 is what I thought.
But when you think about it that means from the end of ME1 to when the arks left this entire Initiative was planned, participants selected, Pathfinders and their teams were trained,, Arks and Nexus constructed, and everything launched. What is that like 2 - 2.5 years?
And that's assuming they completely believed in the Reaper threat immediately after ME1, which according the game they didn't; they had dismissed those claims lol.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 27, 2017 15:13:31 GMT
After ME2 is what I thought. But when you think about it that means from the end of ME1 to when the arks left this entire Initiative was planned, participants selected, Pathfinders and their teams were trained,, Arks and Nexus constructed, and everything launched. What is that like 2 - 2.5 years? No that happened since the early 2170's according to the game. Still, even 12 years is pretty ridiculous. |
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Post by cypherj on Apr 27, 2017 15:16:12 GMT
After ME2 is what I thought. But when you think about it that means from the end of ME1 to when the arks left this entire Initiative was planned, participants selected, Pathfinders and their teams were trained,, Arks and Nexus constructed, and everything launched. What is that like 2 - 2.5 years? No that happened since the early 2170's according to the game. Still, even 12 years is pretty ridiculous. So a decade before the events of ME1? So it had nothing to do with the Reapers, they just up and did this? |
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 27, 2017 15:30:58 GMT
No that happened since the early 2170's according to the game. Still, even 12 years is pretty ridiculous. So a decade before the events of ME1? So it had nothing to do with the Reapers, they just up and did this? In the very beginning, no. The mysterious benefactor only came in later, when Garson ran out of money. It's not said when exactly this was but I guess it was still in the 70s). When "the Benefactor came in, then it was about the reapers. They knew about them before ME1. There are a few people who knew at least that there was a danger out there (if not specifically what exactly it was). Among them is for example TIM, who had a run-in with Saren in the early days of Cerberus (the Evolution Comic, horrible to read but I guess it's canon). There might have been others too. We know that Sovereign manipulated events for a while before ME1 (when interfering with the Rachni or in the events of Revelation). Maybe he slipped up at some point. After all, even in ME1, the codex says that the term reapers is associated with rumors about ancient machine devils. I guess we might learn more if the true nature of the benefactor is adressed in a later Andromeda game but with the writing being what it is, who knows.  |
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 15:39:31 GMT
I think it was before the collectors were known to be abducting colonists. Pretty sure the Illusive Man has a hand in anonymously funding the Initiative as a back up plan before relying on Shepard. (Unconfirmed) nope. Then I wonder who the uber wealthy anonymous benefactor that contributed to the initiative with Garson and was concerned with reports from the fringes/future of the milky way was. |
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Post by Serza on Apr 27, 2017 15:57:13 GMT
After ME2 is what I thought. But when you think about it that means from the end of ME1 to when the arks left this entire Initiative was planned, participants selected, Pathfinders and their teams were trained,, Arks and Nexus constructed, and everything launched. What is that like 2 - 2.5 years? And that's assuming they completely believed in the Reaper threat immediately after ME1, which according the game they didn't; they had dismissed those claims lol. They actually suggest that the "Benefactor" (Fuck you, Jack Harper) knew about the Reapers BEFORE Eden Prime. I believe my exact words were "They played Shepard, too?!" |
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Post by Iakus on Apr 27, 2017 16:03:14 GMT
After ME2 is what I thought. But when you think about it that means from the end of ME1 to when the arks left this entire Initiative was planned, participants selected, Pathfinders and their teams were trained,, Arks and Nexus constructed, and everything launched. What is that like 2 - 2.5 years? No that happened since the early 2170's according to the game. Still, even 12 years is pretty ridiculous. Don't forget invented new engine technology that would have made harvesting the galaxy impossible anyway  |
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 16:16:20 GMT
After ME2 is what I thought. But when you think about it that means from the end of ME1 to when the arks left this entire Initiative was planned, participants selected, Pathfinders and their teams were trained,, Arks and Nexus constructed, and everything launched. What is that like 2 - 2.5 years? And that's assuming they completely believed in the Reaper threat immediately after ME1, which according the game they didn't; they had dismissed those claims lol. They actually suggest that the "Benefactor" (Fuck you, Jack Harper) knew about the Reapers BEFORE Eden Prime. I believe my exact words were "They played Shepard, too?!" So who is Jack Harper? I remember that bit, but didn't they have to accelerate their plans due to certain events? I only listened to those bits once so im fuzzy on the message. Because that whole plan b, playing pawns, sounds exactly like some illusive man shennanigans. |
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Post by Serza on Apr 27, 2017 16:17:56 GMT
They actually suggest that the "Benefactor" (Fuck you, Jack Harper) knew about the Reapers BEFORE Eden Prime. I believe my exact words were "They played Shepard, too?!" So who is Jack Harper? I remember that bit, but didn't they have to accelerate their plans due to certain events? I only listened to those bits once so im fuzzy on the message. Because that whole plan b, playing pawns, sounds exactly like some illusive man shennanigans. Jack Harper is actually the Illusive Man's real name. |
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 16:19:43 GMT
So who is Jack Harper? I remember that bit, but didn't they have to accelerate their plans due to certain events? I only listened to those bits once so im fuzzy on the message. Because that whole plan b, playing pawns, sounds exactly like some illusive man shennanigans. Jack Harper is actually the Illusive Man's real name. Ohh. Cool. The more you know |
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 27, 2017 16:28:22 GMT
I also only went through that dialogue once, so I may have missed something but from my current point of view, there are only three good candidates for the benefactor:
- TIM
- The council
- The Shadow Broker (pre Liara of course)
They are the three factions that possibly knew about the reaper threat. TIM would kinda be the obvious choice but I really don't awnt Cerberus to be back yet again. The Shadow Broker doesn't fit very well IMO but he is a candidate, since he was supposed to know everything (so he might have picked up something about the reapers), he would have had the resources to get funding going and he did interact with Shepard in ME1 definitely.
Mu favorite option though would be council. That would be a nice twist, if they at least had known something about a danger (maybe not the reapers themselves) before ME1, They would then have manipulated events to be able to send one Spectre after Saren and Sovereign, in order to intervene without provoking Sovereign the reapers too much yet. Meanwhile they funded the Andromeda Initiative as a backup plan. That would also explain why there was no trouble with SAM and why an originally human project involved all council races. It would bind things together a bit more.
The only thing that really don't fit into that scenario is why they'd murder Garson upon arrival. But then, where is as of yet fairly little known about that murder, so one could spin something there. |
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 16:35:01 GMT
The council though... They deliberately stalemate shepard and ignore his warnings after the fact, then essentially ignore the reapers until theyre under attack. I don't think that fits very well.
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 16:40:00 GMT
TIM however would have anyone removed that wasn't putting Humanity FIRST... Some key people founding the Initiative were more concerned with colonizing worlds for everyone.
Suspicious, isn't it?
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 16:41:40 GMT
Damn spoiler tag messed up. Suspicious that the Human ark arrives late. After the other arks had been hijacked and sold out? |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 27, 2017 16:47:29 GMT
Ik that they left in 2185 but was it after the suicide mission in ME2 or before Shepard was brought back to life? Between the end of ME2 and the Reapers arrival in ME3. They ewre only a fwe months I think into their journey to Andromeda by the time the Reapers bega. their attack on the MW. So I thimnkit's a case of they just got out in time to avoid being attacked by them. As they were close enough to pick up the ,messages to realise the Milky way was in trouble but not close enough to really do anything about it any more as they were already in stasis and on their way.That's if what Alec's memories tell us about the situation is true I think that's the case. |
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 27, 2017 16:48:29 GMT
The council though... They deliberately stalemate shepard and ignore his warnings after the fact, then essentially ignore the reapers until theyre under attack. I don't think that fits very well. Yea, maybe you are right. I guess I just really want the council to have had a secret plan because they acted so goddam stupid in the trilogy all the time. And I do agree that TIM is the most likely candidate from a purely logical POV. Just ... really? He spent 4 billion on Lazarus, built the SR2 by himself AND funded the initiative? Ah well, it would fit right into this mess, wouldn't it. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 27, 2017 17:20:49 GMT
Then I wonder who the uber wealthy anonymous benefactor that contributed to the initiative with Garson and was concerned with reports from the fringes/future of the milky way was. the galexy is a big place. I don't think TIM did this. If he did everything would be like the vaults in fall out. |
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