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Post by dreman999 on Apr 27, 2017 17:23:23 GMT
Damn spoiler tag messed up. Suspicious that the Human ark arrives late. After the other arks had been hijacked and sold out? that was due to what happened in helios.not at any fault of the arks or the makers of them.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 27, 2017 17:25:45 GMT
Ik that they left in 2185 but was it after the suicide mission in ME2 or before Shepard was brought back to life? Between the end of ME2 and the Reapers arrival in ME3. They ewre only a fwe months I think into their journey to Andromeda by the time the Reapers bega. their attack on the MW. So I thimnkit's a case of they just got out in time to avoid being attacked by them. As they were close enough to pick up the ,messages to realise the Milky way was in trouble but not close enough to really do anything about it any more as they were already in stasis and on their way.That's if what Alec's memories tell us about the situation is true I think that's the case. It should be mentioned that to receive those messages, they definitely needed QECs (since they were traveling at FTL). So apparently, they brought at least one QUEC to link them to the milky Way (which would make sense). So to receive these messages, they could have been as far away as they wanted from the MW already. I guess after they received it, the QEC broke either on their end or on the MW end (which makes sense within 600 years I guess), so they don't have contact when they arrive in Andromeda.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 27, 2017 17:27:56 GMT
No that happened since the early 2170's according to the game. Still, even 12 years is pretty ridiculous. Don't forget invented new engine technology that would have made harvesting the galaxy impossible anyway *looks at a destroy sovergn
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 17:30:04 GMT
Oh I don't doubt they could introduce some new face. Thing is though that the entire set up for "The Benefactor" sounds EXACTLY like a TIM plot line. It would be just like Bioware to pull him out of their back pocket, be it as a throwback or as a legit story telling mechanic. It would NOT be like bioware to introduce some NEW person that fits the exact same puppet master with money, baut-and-switch shennanigans.
Another rich eccentric anonymous bankrolling power player who is not opposed to espionage/murder to see his vision fulfilled? Mehhhhhh.
The only way it would make sense to introduce a new character in that vein would be to have them in cryo on the arc waiting to wake up and continue their shennanigans.
I'm fairly certain we're going to see TIM as the benefactor with some Envoy on the Hyperion continuing his will.
Hell it'd be more like bioware to have some clone of TIM on the ship than to replace him.
Look for martin sheen's name tied to Bioware sometime in the future.
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 17:33:22 GMT
Between the end of ME2 and the Reapers arrival in ME3. They ewre only a fwe months I think into their journey to Andromeda by the time the Reapers bega. their attack on the MW. So I thimnkit's a case of they just got out in time to avoid being attacked by them. As they were close enough to pick up the ,messages to realise the Milky way was in trouble but not close enough to really do anything about it any more as they were already in stasis and on their way.That's if what Alec's memories tell us about the situation is true I think that's the case. It should be mentioned that to receive those messages, they definitely needed QECs (since they were traveling at FTL). So apparently, they brought at least one QUEC to link them to the milky Way (which would make sense). So to receive these messages, they could have been as far away as they wanted from the MW already. I guess after they received it, the QEC broke either on their end or on the MW end (which makes sense within 600 years I guess), so they don't have contact when they arrive in Andromeda. Contact didn't drop over distance, it dropped because no one's responding after the reaper attacks. Its directly stated that they suspect the worst back in the milky way and that they are keeping it hush hush.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 17:36:26 GMT
I'm curious when the quarian ship left. I'm sure that might be answered in a dlc or the next game We will find out in the DLC !
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Post by Kelwing on Apr 27, 2017 17:37:47 GMT
Arks left Dec 2185. Arrival in ME2 happens Jan 2186. Reapers invade six months later. Earth attacked Sept 2186.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 27, 2017 17:38:00 GMT
Between the end of ME2 and the Reapers arrival in ME3. They ewre only a fwe months I think into their journey to Andromeda by the time the Reapers bega. their attack on the MW. So I thimnkit's a case of they just got out in time to avoid being attacked by them. As they were close enough to pick up the ,messages to realise the Milky way was in trouble but not close enough to really do anything about it any more as they were already in stasis and on their way.That's if what Alec's memories tell us about the situation is true I think that's the case. It should be mentioned that to receive those messages, they definitely needed QECs (since they were traveling at FTL). So apparently, they brought at least one QUEC to link them to the milky Way (which would make sense). So to receive these messages, they could have been as far away as they wanted from the MW already. I guess after they received it, the QEC broke either on their end or on the MW end (which makes sense within 600 years I guess), so they don't have contact when they arrive in Andromeda. yeah exactly my guess would have been the Milky Way end though given the reapers were attacking and they were finding it hard just to talk to each other let alone the arks that just left. Remember there were issues with Shepard at times trying to get communications out in ME3 at the beginning of the game and again later on as well when they tried to talk with Hackett or Anderson.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 27, 2017 17:38:47 GMT
It should be mentioned that to receive those messages, they definitely needed QECs (since they were traveling at FTL). So apparently, they brought at least one QUEC to link them to the milky Way (which would make sense). So to receive these messages, they could have been as far away as they wanted from the MW already. I guess after they received it, the QEC broke either on their end or on the MW end (which makes sense within 600 years I guess), so they don't have contact when they arrive in Andromeda. Contact didn't drop over distance, it dropped because no one's responding after the reaper attacks. Its directly stated that they suspect the worst back in the milky way and that they are keeping it hush hush. Well yes, they got those messages and then boom, that was it. Still, even to receive those, while traveling through dark space at FTL, they needed QECs. It's the only way for FTL communication without mass relays in the ME universe. Probably the MW end of the QEC broke/was destroyed during the reaper invasion. My point was, the fact that they got messages doesn't really tell us anything about how far from the MW they were when the reapers arrived. They might have just left, they might have alredy been a year gone, for the QEC, it wouldn't make a difference.
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 17:45:18 GMT
Damn spoiler tag messed up. Suspicious that the Human ark arrives late. After the other arks had been hijacked and sold out? that was due to what happened in helios.not at any fault of the arks or the makers of them. Yes BUT, imagine if you were the Illusive man: The Human Ark arrived late. It arrives, checks out its planetand heads straight to the nexus. At that point the Salarian ark, Asarii ark had already been captured or cut off by the kett, the turian ark also having ran into its problems.
Convenient that the "expendable" arks arrive in unknown territory first? With enough time that the founder is killed? A person whose whole vision was decidedly NOT Humanity first?
He couldn't have known about the scourge, or the Kett, but no logical person would have BANKED Humanity on everything going off without a hitch. :/
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 17:50:23 GMT
Contact didn't drop over distance, it dropped because no one's responding after the reaper attacks. Its directly stated that they suspect the worst back in the milky way and that they are keeping it hush hush. Well yes, they got those messages and then boom, that was it. Still, even to receive those, while traveling through dark space at FTL, they needed QECs. It's the only way for FTL communication without mass relays in the ME universe. Probably the MW end of the QEC broke/was destroyed during the reaper invasion. My point was, the fact that they got messages doesn't really tell us anything about how far from the MW they were when the reapers arrived. They might have just left, they might have alredy been a year gone, for the QEC, it wouldn't make a difference. My point is that the messages quit being sent immediately after the reaper attack and they have yet to be able to reestablish communication per their plan established before departure, and MW had over 600 years to repair any damage done, if they survived to do so.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 27, 2017 17:56:06 GMT
Well yes, they got those messages and then boom, that was it. Still, even to receive those, while traveling through dark space at FTL, they needed QECs. It's the only way for FTL communication without mass relays in the ME universe. Probably the MW end of the QEC broke/was destroyed during the reaper invasion. My point was, the fact that they got messages doesn't really tell us anything about how far from the MW they were when the reapers arrived. They might have just left, they might have alredy been a year gone, for the QEC, it wouldn't make a difference. My point is that the messages quit being sent immediately after the reaper attack and they have yet to be able to reestablish communication per their plan established before departure, and MW had over 600 years to repair any damage done, if they survived to do so. That assumes that you can just repair a broken QRC on one side. I guess it's likely that once the pair of entangled quanta is separated, you cannot just re-establish it at range. At least that's my head canon. The only alternative I can see is that the reapers won, which would make the ME3 EC's refuse ending canon.
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 18:01:12 GMT
That or Reaper tech, relays, and everything else were destroyed by the pulse. Idk. There's no telling at this point.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 27, 2017 18:01:35 GMT
that was due to what happened in helios.not at any fault of the arks or the makers of them. Yes BUT, imagine if you were the Illusive man: The Human Ark arrived late. It arrives, checks out its planetand heads straight to the nexus. At that point the Salarian ark, Asarii ark had already been captured or cut off by the kett, the turian ark also having ran into its problems.
Convenient that the "expendable" arks arrive in unknown territory first? With enough time that the founder is killed? A person whose whole vision was decidedly NOT Humanity first?
He couldn't have known about the scourge, or the Kett, but no logical person would have BANKED Humanity on everything going off without a hitch. :/ put away your tin foil hat on that. That would require way too much info then the people in the milky way had about helios. None of that could of been planned.
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 18:24:57 GMT
What I said required absolutely NO info on Helios... I explicitly stated that TIM could not have known about the Kett, or the Scourge, but that he would have expected SOMETHING to go wrong because it would have been ludicrous to assume that NOTHING would go wrong. (And he's as calculating as he is rich.)
Otherwise everything that DOES happen is just awfully, awfully convenient, y'know for the reasons I've already stated. :/
But sure, Humanity getting an edge/advantage over the other MW races with an as of yet inexplicable murder involving an anonymous rich guy pulling strings makes more sense with that anonymous rich guy being some brand new person instead of the very same anonymous rich guy already established in the series lulz
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Post by jsalemi on Apr 27, 2017 18:46:16 GMT
TIM would kinda be the obvious choice but I really don't want Cerberus to be back yet again. Poke around in the back corners of Kadara -- there's some of them around, at least...
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 27, 2017 19:10:40 GMT
TIM would kinda be the obvious choice but I really don't want Cerberus to be back yet again. Poke around in the back corners of Kadara -- there's some of them around, at least...
Oh yea, I met them. Didn't mind them though. The anti-AI guys or at least their leader Mrs. Knight (?) was also involved in Overload IIRC. I don't mind Cerberus being mentioned, that's fine, I just can't stand yet another game series where they suddenly go from a side note to the all powerful organization that pulls all the strings, please, not again.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 27, 2017 22:28:58 GMT
I always assumed it was after the SM but before Arrival. Has bioware even canonized when the the bridging DLCs for ME 2 takes place?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 27, 2017 22:51:02 GMT
I always assumed it was after the SM but before Arrival. Has bioware even canonized when the the bridging DLCs for ME 2 takes place? no I don't think they did and I tend to play the DLC's before doing the Suicide mission anyway usually.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 27, 2017 22:56:03 GMT
I always assumed it was after the SM but before Arrival. Has bioware even canonized when the the bridging DLCs for ME 2 takes place? no I don't think they did and I tend to play the DLC's before doing the Suicide mission anyway usually. I always do LoTSB and Arrival after the SM. There is a reason why bioware made two different holograms for Harbinger. So I guess when it comes to the arks leaving bioware can only tell us if it was before or after the SM. They don't want to canonize the rest of the ME 2 to ME 3 timeline.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 27, 2017 23:17:39 GMT
no I don't think they did and I tend to play the DLC's before doing the Suicide mission anyway usually. I always do LoTSB and Arrival after the SM. There is a reason why bioware made two different holograms for Harbinger. So I guess when it comes to the arks leaving bioware can only tell us if it was before or after the SM. They don't want to canonize the rest of the ME 2 to ME 3 timeline. yeah that's my feeling too they don't want to touch any of the endings at all other than breifly acknowledging it happened. Probably for the best though as it shouldn't anger anyone that way. They probably felt they'd already taken enough fire as it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 23:23:26 GMT
Realistically speaking, the Arks probably would never made it out of the Milky galaxy, they would be boarded and impounded by the Systems Alliance for the presence of illegal AI technology when passing through controlled space.
Then again Salarian females were supposed to be extremely rare according to the codex and in Andromeda they're suddenly everywere.
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Post by docklenator on Apr 27, 2017 23:47:04 GMT
Wouldn't they need to send several of their uber rare females if successfully seeding a new galaxy was a priority to them? And Don't you mean female aKrogan?
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Post by kharsis on Apr 28, 2017 0:06:31 GMT
Who or what is TIM?
I have not encountered this being anywhere in the games
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 0:17:56 GMT
Who or what is TIM? I have not encountered this being anywhere in the games The Illusive Man aka Jack Harper
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