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Post by sdzald on Apr 28, 2017 0:27:19 GMT
It really could be anyone or a group of anyone's. It could be TIM but why would he put so much money into a project where Humans were in the minority? It could be the Shadow Broker but he would have NOTHING to gain unless he came along, so either he 'missed' his ride or the Shadow Broker Shepard killed was a fake, a stand in and the real Shadow Broker is on one of the Arks.
The idea of the Console being involved makes little sense because of the total lack of support they gave Shepard, but possibly a powerful member of the Console. Remember that we find out later on that the Asari had known about the Reapers, not general knowledge among them but certainly a group of Elite Asari so it is possible that they were the ones to supply money and tec.
It is obvious that if you go by canon there were many people that knew about the Reapers even before Sarin, not the least of which were the Leviathans who created them. Heck there is even an outside chance that some rogue Reaper decided to put an end to the cycle and help out. No way of knowing, just too many options.
The real question is will we ever find out? It is possible that it was just tossed out there as a plot twist to allow Garson to be killed and a bunch of inept pin heads to take over so Ryder would have them to deal with ala Shepard and the Console.
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Post by DarkBeaver on Apr 28, 2017 1:39:30 GMT
I think i read where it was determined that Alec Ryder was dealing with the Shadow Broker pre-Yarg (sp?). So he could have intended on going along on the arks, but got killed before they left.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 28, 2017 1:54:09 GMT
Well the wikia has the timeline up. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline Spoiler tag for spoilers and length 2185 CE December 7: The Andromeda Initiative begins its journey to the Andromeda galaxy, with the first wave, made up of the Nexus, Ark Hyperion, Ark Leusinia, Ark Natanus, and Ark Paarchero, launching into dark space. A second wave comprised of Ark Keelah Si'yah is expected to launch not long after.
Andromeda Bound (2186 CE - 2818 CE)
2419 CE (Estimated date) The final Remnant structures are built on Habitat 7 before the Scourge hits.
2450 CE (Estimated date) The Scourge is unleashed in the Heleus Cluster, attacking all Remnant technology it can find. Remnant vaults are deactivated, the golden worlds decline, and angaran civilization falls into a dark age.
2600 CE (Estimated date) The Scourge stabilizes, and angaran civilization recovers. Five angaran worlds, including Havarl and Voeld, rediscover spaceflight and reunite, finding they have developed divergent cultures. The angara discover and colonize Aya and Kadara.
2744 CE The kett invade the Heleus Cluster of the Andromeda galaxy. While the main goal of the invasion is to exalt the angara into the Kett Empire, the invasion force's Archon becomes obsessed with learning how to control Remnant technology.
2814 CE Evfra de Tershaav reorganizes the angara's many ineffective resistance movements against the kett into the Angaran Resistance, based out of Aya.
New Frontiers (2818 CE - 2819 CE)
2818 CE: Touchdown Andromeda The events of Mass Effect: Nexus Uprising occur. The Nexus arrives in the Heleus Cluster of the Andromeda galaxy after a 633 year journey through dark space.
2819 CE Ark Leusinia, Ark Natanus, and Ark Paarchero arrive in the Heleus Cluster separately. They are either attacked by the kett or damaged by the Scourge, preventing them from rendezvousing with the Nexus.
The events of Mass Effect: Andromeda begin. Ark Hyperion arrives in the Andromeda galaxy 14 months after the Nexus.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 28, 2017 2:05:43 GMT
Who or what is TIM? I have not encountered this being anywhere in the games The illusive man people just refer to him as TIM for short. Otherwise known as the SOB who revived Shepard and then turned his back on humanity and got himself indoctrinated.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 2:13:33 GMT
Poke around in the back corners of Kadara -- there's some of them around, at least...
Oh yea, I met them. Didn't mind them though. The anti-AI guys or at least their leader Mrs. Knight (?) was also involved in Overload IIRC. I don't mind Cerberus being mentioned, that's fine, I just can't stand yet another game series where they suddenly go from a side note to the all powerful organization that pulls all the strings, please, not again. There will always be Cerberus In Mass Effect Games ! Cerberus Can't be Destroyed anyway !
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 28, 2017 3:27:48 GMT
Realistically speaking, the Arks probably would never made it out of the Milky galaxy, they would be boarded and impounded by the Systems Alliance for the presence of illegal AI technology when passing through controlled space. Then again Salarian females were supposed to be extremely rare according to the codex and in Andromeda they're suddenly everywere. dude. No. With the way cerberus infatuated the alliance it would a wonder they could even find their own back side. The ai development was secret. No one out side the initiative know about to stop it. This like saying project overlord makes no sense because the alliance should of known about it and stoppedal it.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 28, 2017 4:26:51 GMT
Realistically speaking, the Arks probably would never made it out of the Milky galaxy, they would be boarded and impounded by the Systems Alliance for the presence of illegal AI technology when passing through controlled space. Then again Salarian females were supposed to be extremely rare according to the codex and in Andromeda they're suddenly everywere. dude. No. With the way cerberus infatuated the alliance it would a wonder they could even find their own back side. The ai development was secret. No one out side the initiative know about to stop it. This like saying project overlord makes no sense because the alliance should of known about it and stoppedal it. What makes you think the Ai was a secret? I've seen nothing but prerelease speculation saying as much. The construction locations of the Arks are known, and they'd make building in secret impossible. Some of the technology used and specifics of the Initiative might've been secret; but the existence of Ai couldn't have remained secret for too many years. The game waffles on this, at times suggesting it was hush-hush, and at others suggesting otherwise. Unfortunately, I'm unable to validate any specifics via the Codex, since I'm unable to play in the middle of the night. I'm not supporting any particular theories. I don't think they'll go to the Cerberus well, again. Miranda told us in 2185 that the Lazarus Project-- resurrecting Shepard and building the SR2-- was a serious investment. I recognize that they somehow went on to build the Imperial Fleet, but they'd do well not to remind us of that ridiculous writing choice. I think this "benefactor" will prove to be some extremely wealthy character with whom we have previously never been acquainted. The Shadow Broker, like Cerberus, is an obvious choice; but he couldn't have come along. I think the plot line will be better served by having this benefactor in Andromeda. While speaking with Tann, earlier, I again wondered whose agenda his appointment served. There's no way he should've been eighth in line, given all of the more qualified candidates. He's never done anything to make me suspicious of his personal motives or loyalties, even in his PoV chapters in "Nexus Uprising". That doesn't mean that his appointment wasn't arranged. The idea that it was based upon his seniority as an early adopter is stupefying. Addison managed to look very suspicious during the events of "Nexus Uprising". I'm curious to see if anything comes to light, in that regard. Honest efforts to ensure the success of the Ai do not mean much, in terms of whether a person might be aligned with this "benefactor". Everyone in Andromeda presumably wants to succeed and survive. That doesn't mean that they wanted to do so in accord with Jien Garson's agenda.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 28, 2017 4:51:15 GMT
I also only went through that dialogue once, so I may have missed something but from my current point of view, there are only three good candidates for the benefactor: - TIM - The council - The Shadow Broker (pre Liara of course)
They are the three factions that possibly knew about the reaper threat. TIM would kinda be the obvious choice but I really don't awnt Cerberus to be back yet again. The Shadow Broker doesn't fit very well IMO but he is a candidate, since he was supposed to know everything (so he might have picked up something about the reapers), he would have had the resources to get funding going and he did interact with Shepard in ME1 definitely.
Mu favorite option though would be council. That would be a nice twist, if they at least had known something about a danger (maybe not the reapers themselves) before ME1, They would then have manipulated events to be able to send one Spectre after Saren and Sovereign, in order to intervene without provoking Sovereign the reapers too much yet. Meanwhile they funded the Andromeda Initiative as a backup plan. That would also explain why there was no trouble with SAM and why an originally human project involved all council races. It would bind things together a bit more. The only thing that really don't fit into that scenario is why they'd murder Garson upon arrival. But then, where is as of yet fairly little known about that murder, so one could spin something there. There is another, less likely possibility: The True Geth. They have been watching Council space in secret for many years, knew about the existence of the Reapers before anyone else, and were the ones who built the relay telescope that got the AI so excited about Heleus to begin with.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 28, 2017 4:53:20 GMT
Realistically speaking, the Arks probably would never made it out of the Milky galaxy, they would be boarded and impounded by the Systems Alliance for the presence of illegal AI technology when passing through controlled space. Then again Salarian females were supposed to be extremely rare according to the codex and in Andromeda they're suddenly everywere. Yup. The salarian population is supposed to be 90% male.
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Post by Nikhilty on Apr 28, 2017 6:22:26 GMT
If someone already posted this, I missed it, and I apologize. At any rate, the following may or may not be considered canon, coming from the Nexus Uprising book. I quote a paragraph from very early in the book:
"Funny to see them now, acting so professional and diplomatic. All business, unlike the previous night's farewell party. Thousands of pioneers, plus twice as many more of their friends and family, had all gathered for one final hurrah before the mission began. The last night of 2185 ad. For those joining the Andromeda Initiative, it was the last night they would spend in the Milky Way."
Note that the date mentioned in the tiny spoiler doesn't mean that the Dec. 7 launch date from the Wiki is necessarily wrong. After all, it would take some time to actually leave the Milky Way into dark space.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 28, 2017 11:35:35 GMT
Yeah. Maybe Dec 7 is the day they started boarding. 20k people and supplies takes a looong time.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 28, 2017 12:00:04 GMT
dude. No. With the way cerberus infatuated the alliance it would a wonder they could even find their own back side. The ai development was secret. No one out side the initiative know about to stop it. This like saying project overlord makes no sense because the alliance should of known about it and stoppedal it. What makes you think the Ai was a secret? I've seen nothing but prerelease speculation saying as much. The construction locations of the Arks are known, and they'd make building in secret impossible. Some of the technology used and specifics of the Initiative might've been secret; but the existence of Ai couldn't have remained secret for too many years. The game waffles on this, at times suggesting it was hush-hush, and at others suggesting otherwise. Unfortunately, I'm unable to validate any specifics via the Codex, since I'm unable to play in the middle of the night. I'm not supporting any particular theories. I don't think they'll go to the Cerberus well, again. Miranda told us in 2185 that the Lazarus Project-- resurrecting Shepard and building the SR2-- was a serious investment. I recognize that they somehow went on to build the Imperial Fleet, but they'd do well not to remind us of that ridiculous writing choice. I think this "benefactor" will prove to be some extremely wealthy character with whom we have previously never been acquainted. The Shadow Broker, like Cerberus, is an obvious choice; but he couldn't have come along. I think the plot line will be better served by having this benefactor in Andromeda. While speaking with Tann, earlier, I again wondered whose agenda his appointment served. There's no way he should've been eighth in line, given all of the more qualified candidates. He's never done anything to make me suspicious of his personal motives or loyalties, even in his PoV chapters in "Nexus Uprising". That doesn't mean that his appointment wasn't arranged. The idea that it was based upon his seniority as an early adopter is stupefying. Addison managed to look very suspicious during the events of "Nexus Uprising". I'm curious to see if anything comes to light, in that regard. Honest efforts to ensure the success of the Ai do not mean much, in terms of whether a person might be aligned with this "benefactor". Everyone in Andromeda presumably wants to succeed and survive. That doesn't mean that they wanted to do so in accord with Jien Garson's agenda. With the secretive nature of the so called benefactor I would have to it's not a stretch for the Ai to stay a secret.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 28, 2017 13:21:59 GMT
In one of Alec's memories the benefactor says that they knew something was coming, but not what until the events of ME1, which is when they accelerated their timetable
So I'm thinking they are either some agent of the Council or an extremely wealthy individual we don't know anything about yet.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 28, 2017 15:40:03 GMT
What makes you think the Ai was a secret? I've seen nothing but prerelease speculation saying as much. The construction locations of the Arks are known, and they'd make building in secret impossible. Some of the technology used and specifics of the Initiative might've been secret; but the existence of Ai couldn't have remained secret for too many years. The game waffles on this, at times suggesting it was hush-hush, and at others suggesting otherwise. Unfortunately, I'm unable to validate any specifics via the Codex, since I'm unable to play in the middle of the night. I'm not supporting any particular theories. I don't think they'll go to the Cerberus well, again. Miranda told us in 2185 that the Lazarus Project-- resurrecting Shepard and building the SR2-- was a serious investment. I recognize that they somehow went on to build the Imperial Fleet, but they'd do well not to remind us of that ridiculous writing choice. I think this "benefactor" will prove to be some extremely wealthy character with whom we have previously never been acquainted. The Shadow Broker, like Cerberus, is an obvious choice; but he couldn't have come along. I think the plot line will be better served by having this benefactor in Andromeda. While speaking with Tann, earlier, I again wondered whose agenda his appointment served. There's no way he should've been eighth in line, given all of the more qualified candidates. He's never done anything to make me suspicious of his personal motives or loyalties, even in his PoV chapters in "Nexus Uprising". That doesn't mean that his appointment wasn't arranged. The idea that it was based upon his seniority as an early adopter is stupefying. Addison managed to look very suspicious during the events of "Nexus Uprising". I'm curious to see if anything comes to light, in that regard. Honest efforts to ensure the success of the Ai do not mean much, in terms of whether a person might be aligned with this "benefactor". Everyone in Andromeda presumably wants to succeed and survive. That doesn't mean that they wanted to do so in accord with Jien Garson's agenda. With the secretive nature of the so called benefactor I would have to it's not a stretch for the Ai to stay a secret. Virtually no one knew about the benefactor. Jien Garson and her crazy project, though, were a different story. The codex (gameplay, too, but not as easy to reference) reveals that many knew about it. Whether these were only the elite, or not, is unclear. Once the Arks began construction in such populated systems above major moons, though, secrecy would be impossible.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 28, 2017 15:46:45 GMT
Ik that they left in 2185 but was it after the suicide mission in ME2 or before Shepard was brought back to life? I feel like the book says it launched around New Year's Eve 2185. Yeah, mentioned a launch party on the last night of 2185 AD (though I guess that ought to mean they actually launched January 1, 2186). In either case, it should be after the events of ME2 but before ME3.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 28, 2017 15:50:06 GMT
Ik that they left in 2185 but was it after the suicide mission in ME2 or before Shepard was brought back to life? I feel like the book says it launched around New Year's Eve 2185. Yeah, mentioned a launch party on the last night of 2185 AD (though I guess that ought to mean they actually launched January 1, 2186). In either case, it should be after the events of ME2 but before ME3. So they all went into Cryo with a massive hangover? Man, finally, that explains the state of all those people we see waking up.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 28, 2017 15:51:48 GMT
In one of Alec's memories the benefactor says that they knew something was coming, but not what until the events of ME1, which is when they accelerated their timetable So I'm thinking they are either some agent of the Council or an extremely wealthy individual we don't know anything about yet. Kumun Shol
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 28, 2017 15:52:33 GMT
I feel like the book says it launched around New Year's Eve 2185. Yeah, mentioned a launch party on the last night of 2185 AD (though I guess that ought to mean they actually launched January 1, 2186). In either case, it should be after the events of ME2 but before ME3. So they all went into Cryo with a massive hangover? Man, finally, that explains the state of all those people we see waking up. Actually, it's true. Sloane even mentions her hangover.
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Post by hiskiash on Apr 28, 2017 15:57:45 GMT
After ME2 is what I thought. But when you think about it that means from the end of ME1 to when the arks left this entire Initiative was planned, participants selected, Pathfinders and their teams were trained,, Arks and Nexus constructed, and everything launched. What is that like 2 - 2.5 years? And that's assuming they completely believed in the Reaper threat immediately after ME1, which according the game they didn't; they had dismissed those claims lol. I can sort of see the arks being sent off, but what's the deal with the Nexus? That thing is HUGE, and it cannot have been built on-location in Heleus, since they lacked resources and had only 14 months to put it up before Hyperion arrived. There's a huge logistical hole here.
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