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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 20:48:16 GMT
It just goes to show that QA focused more on the "new game" users. EA PR guys even asked all reviewers to pick the "everyman experience" according to Giant Bomb and Colin Moriarty did so among others. Then he gave the game a 9.5 at IGN and need I remind you again why the metacritic score, which Ray and Casey Hudson used in defense of the ending controversy, is complete bullshit? Still baffles me that Mass Effect 3 has a 90% on Metacritic from "professional" reviews, and then you look at the user score. Wonder if they played the same game as us, or if money changed hands! I mean everyone can get hyped, you need some time after a game to calm yourself down and think about everyting you experienced. Did it actually make sense, and was it good? Small rant, rant rant!
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 29, 2017 21:07:21 GMT
Beats me. I always thought those hysterical user reviews were ridiculous, but I can't see who'd be paying for them either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 21:12:47 GMT
Beats me. I always thought those hysterical user reviews were ridiculous, but I can't see who'd be paying for them either. I mean i would never rate Mass Effect 3 a 5/10, it is way better than that. Same goes for Fallout 4 by the way, which got metabombed. Just baffles me that no review thought the ending was meh! And it is the end of a trilogy! Imagine Frodo walking up to Mount Doom and then be Introduced to Sauron's real master, Steve. Steve would then proceed to tell him some mumbo jumbo that no one could make sense of. So Frodo gets 3 choices - Merge every living creature in Middle Earth with the ring, so they are all one. Destroy it, but then it destroys every hobbit in existence because reasons, which also includes him. Or control it, where he controls the ring and with it Sauron to repair Middle Earth. Then 3 months later Tolkien would add a chapter where you can also throw Steve into the lava, but then everyone dies.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 30, 2017 1:53:33 GMT
What i find a bit weird is that Bioware has always been very liberal and diverse in their cast, but it is only recently it has become an issue for many people. I'll agree that if an agenda hurts the quality of the game/games it is absolutely not for the better. However Andromeda's biggest issues has nothing to do with an agenda. They are fun to nitpick at though, or so it seems. Being inclusive is good, hell it is what first attracted me to BW games. I remember the fist time I heard about Mass Effect was from a news report about the game having "alien lesbian sex" in it. And I thought "whoa, that's right up my alley". Over time though as ideas and ideologies become more radical and toxic you quickly go from being inclusive to simply being exclusive in different ways. At the very least the CC's quality was hurt by this. I would argue that BW's ideologies lead to some of MEA's other big issues as well but that would just lead the thread in a direction to get it locked down.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 30, 2017 2:21:43 GMT
Ah man I love that Flynn knows the lore and that was a nice burn. Even though I am still in raging mode when it comes to bioware devs.
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Post by zeypher on Apr 30, 2017 6:44:07 GMT
What lore, if females undergo witcher mutations they stop being females. The mutations really screw over the subject and im sure this is brought up in the books as well. Hell just the fungi/mushroom the witchers gave to Ciri started changing her body, that should tell you all about this. But yes keep harping about your retarded representation over characterization.
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Post by mordivier on Apr 30, 2017 9:33:04 GMT
What i find a bit weird is that Bioware has always been very liberal and diverse in their cast, but it is only recently it has become an issue for many people. I'll agree that if an agenda hurts the quality of the game/games it is absolutely not for the better. However Andromeda's biggest issues has nothing to do with an agenda. They are fun to nitpick at though, or so it seems. Being inclusive is good, hell it is what first attracted me to BW games. I remember the fist time I heard about Mass Effect was from a news report about the game having "alien lesbian sex" in it. And I thought "whoa, that's right up my alley". Over time though as ideas and ideologies become more radical and toxic you quickly go from being inclusive to simply being exclusive in different ways. At the very least the CC's quality was hurt by this. I would argue that BW's ideologies lead to some of MEA's other big issues as well but that would just lead the thread in a direction to get it locked down. While the fact that this game is a "entertainment medium" which is used to explore and present differing levels of "diversity"(at least in some respect), it can very often be used as a political podium and I am inclined to believe it was. 1. Hainly Abrams and Biowares groveling apology. 2. Several male NPC models with a female voice actor; Angaran on Voeld guarding the food storage, Angaran resistance trainer and a turian bodyguard to the Warden on Kadara. 3. Sara Ryder getting hit with a huge stick in the face and made less like her actual real-life model(artistic license on the description of the model's face.) to appeal to generic female audience and feministic/sjw/liberal/progressive views on what constitutes a "real woman" and their representation. Yet, Scott Ryder model is almost identical to the model in real life. 4. The entire gender pronoun situation concerning the Asari. I would be less inclined to believe it was social agenda checklist if it weren't so obvious. There is a simple way to check though; present those same things in a different way. For instance; design the Hainly Abrams situation where the player can insult/disparage/criticize the entire situation in any given context and not allow for any support whatsoever. Design a situation where the Angaran/Turians are explicitly against transgenderism in any form and present it in a way that shows that is a positive thing and make Sara Ryder even more "sexualized" than normal and go even beyond what is presented as the model likeness(exaggerated breasts, model walk animation...etc). Design a situation where Asari are explicitly meant to be sexually attractive to humanoid species and do not present a situation where this could be contradicted. Do all of that and see if there is backlash. I would bet there would be from the same people that Bioware is currently trying to pander to and those which support/represent what is an extreme minority in society in the first place. You would see it. DAI brought this into focus and now MEA and you will see it for any potential sequels of the franchise from here on out.
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Post by Finnen on Apr 30, 2017 9:57:11 GMT
To me all the default brighest skin tones are actually really, REALLY dark, haha. I live in Poland and I rarely see people with darker complexion here. I am totally pale (naturally + I really don't like sun), my girlfriend is pale blonde so for me these kinds of "shades" of skin are natural. All the characters in Andromeda are way too dark to me. It's not that I have anything against it, but I would like to at least make my own character the way I want, especially since I want to play as a blonde character and I hate it when the hair is brighter than the skin. It looks like my character used self tanner :X Freaking jersey tan. I uploaded some screenshots to that mod's Images category, so you can see what kind of blonde character I'm trying to make. Personally I would want even brighter skin tone. However we also need hair colors fixed - I mean, they look fine with black / brown color, but any brighter color looks flat as hell. Surprisingly this is not that hard to make in terms of technical stuff - modders at Fallout 4 Nexus did it with Wasteland Salon mod. I hope for something similiar for ME:A. Oh, and by the way, the mod only unlocked 0.0 option for Skin Tone in CC, it didn't edit any textures. This skin tone is then imprinted on the save game. After you create your pale character you can remove that mod - you won't lose your skin tone. So if you want to, you can share your save games with other people without that mod and it will work fine If you are afraid of getting banned or something you can always ask someone else to create a character with that mod installed and then send you save game
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 30, 2017 14:06:47 GMT
Ah man I love that Flynn knows the lore and that was a nice burn. Even though I am still in raging mode when it comes to bioware devs. Sick burn huh? "Wow, feminism".
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 30, 2017 14:11:17 GMT
Ah man I love that Flynn knows the lore and that was a nice burn. Even though I am still in raging mode when it comes to bioware devs. Sick burn huh? "Wow, feminism". Yeah boy, he really got that Witcher team good on that one. Guess they'll just have to try and find satisfaction in making one of the most critically acclaimed video games of all time. That MEA team should really feel bad for them, poor sods.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 30, 2017 14:11:35 GMT
Ah man I love that Flynn knows the lore and that was a nice burn. Even though I am still in raging mode when it comes to bioware devs. Sick burn huh? "Wow, feminism".
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Post by Darth Wraith on Apr 30, 2017 14:50:17 GMT
There's so much entitlement and whining in this thread I'm getting serious flashbacks to the old BSN forums. The shit people find to complain about; "whaaa, I want to be whiter".
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Post by vynticator on Apr 30, 2017 15:01:15 GMT
There's so much entitlement and whining in this thread I'm getting serious flashbacks to the old BSN forums. The shit people find to complain about; "whaaa, I want to be whiter". Actually, ideally, I'd have liked to have been more Asari blue, but yeah, if I dial the skin tone as white as I can go in the creator, and it looks white there, I don't *really* want to wake up from cryosleep and find I'm Hispanic. Just call me a control freak....
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Post by joglee on Apr 30, 2017 15:09:29 GMT
Sick burn huh? "Wow, feminism". Don't you love watching this website slowly devolve into the old forums? A cesspool of degenerates who argue and bicker all day?
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Apr 30, 2017 15:53:48 GMT
Ah man I love that Flynn knows the lore and that was a nice burn. Even though I am still in raging mode when it comes to bioware devs. Sick burn huh? "Wow, feminism". .... anyway. Im laughing at people attributing this problem to Bioware being an inclusive company(or try to be.). Bioware gave us the reason behind the problems, and I'm sure they're going to add more pale options in the CC with future content. Bioware is not out to get white people.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 30, 2017 15:58:09 GMT
Sick burn huh? "Wow, feminism". .... anyway. Im laughing at people attributing this problem to Bioware being an inclusive company(or try to be.). Bioware gave us the reason behind the problems, and I'm sure they're going to add more pale options in the CC with future content. Bioware is not out to get white people. Pff, of course they're not. They don't stand behind half of the things they promote, that's what. That's the entire problem with it. The authenticity is not as strong as it was back in the ME1-days because they're so busy trying to include everybody thereby making everything less interesting for everyone.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Apr 30, 2017 16:07:29 GMT
.... anyway. Im laughing at people attributing this problem to Bioware being an inclusive company(or try to be.). Bioware gave us the reason behind the problems, and I'm sure they're going to add more pale options in the CC with future content. Bioware is not out to get white people. Pff, of course they're not. They don't stand behind half of the things they promote, that's what. That's the entire problem with it. The authenticity is not as strong as it was back in the ME1-days because they're so busy trying to include everybody thereby making everything less interesting for everyone. I agree with that. There are a lot of things in this game *social justice* wise that are obviously forced, and some are an inaccurate representation. I don't think being inclusive is inherently bad, but when it is unauthentic it makes me believe it is exploitation rather than representation. It seems they're not thinking of real, complex people- rather, the idea of one.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 30, 2017 16:13:50 GMT
Dorian is an example of a good inclusive character. Traynor and Cortez might be too, at least, I like Traynor a LOT. Cortez was okay too, like a Chalkwas character but with more to say/do. I think I hesitate with Cortez because he felt like tokenism. You shuttle pilot romancable guy is there at the start of every mission and he's the gay-representative? That's how it felt to me especially with how hamfisted his husband mini-plot was. Meanwhile Chalkwas had absolutely nothing to do as a character the entire game. I'd much rather have her talk with Shepard about his distressing dreams and mental state or something than I'd have had some new shuttle mechanic who worries about everything because he's a sensitive man or something.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 30, 2017 22:05:12 GMT
.... anyway. Im laughing at people attributing this problem to Bioware being an inclusive company(or try to be.). Bioware gave us the reason behind the problems, and I'm sure they're going to add more pale options in the CC with future content. Bioware is not out to get white people. Pff, of course they're not. They don't stand behind half of the things they promote, that's what. That's the entire problem with it. The authenticity is not as strong as it was back in the ME1-days because they're so busy trying to include everybody thereby making everything less interesting for everyone. Who's "everyone"?
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Post by ProbeAway on Apr 30, 2017 22:19:53 GMT
Whiter skins, better looking faces... now all we need is ScarJo to play Captain Dunn in the movie and we'll have the purity trifecta.
JK, JK.
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Post by Sah291 on Apr 30, 2017 22:32:32 GMT
So does this mod effect Alec too, or is it just the preset for Ryder?
I would try it, if only for the sake of making my custom Sara look a little more like default Scott, so I could use him, but I used a darker skin tone and am now pretty attached to my character, so don't want to change her too much.
I do wish she was a tad less..orange...in some lighting, but it's not just Ryder. The game in general doesn't seem to handle cool toned textures well for some reason. Even the paler shades look a bit sallow in the CC, which is probably why they didn't include lighter. Simply making them paler doesn't really solve it. Too much yellow/red undertones, even in the darker settings, and not enough pink/peach, purple or green. Which unfortunately mismatches with many of the hair colors they gave us. You really need to use a warm toned hair color to go with the warm skin tones, and cool with the cool or it clashes.
But they probably just should have unlocked the defaults to begin with. I like default Sara ok, but not a big fan of the pony tail hair style.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 30, 2017 22:40:58 GMT
Pff, of course they're not. They don't stand behind half of the things they promote, that's what. That's the entire problem with it. The authenticity is not as strong as it was back in the ME1-days because they're so busy trying to include everybody thereby making everything less interesting for everyone. Who's "everyone"? Primarily ME. Actually good thing you pointed this out. I actually meant the individual.
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Post by slimgrin on Apr 30, 2017 22:49:27 GMT
Ah man I love that Flynn knows the lore and that was a nice burn. Even though I am still in raging mode when it comes to bioware devs. Sick burn huh? "Wow, feminism". A lame jab and he knew it. Which is why he apologized in another tweet. Chris Priestley was working at CDPR at the time, which probably had something to do with it.
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 30, 2017 22:53:12 GMT
Lol this is feminism or racism? I'm totally confused.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 30, 2017 22:58:17 GMT
Lol this is feminism or racism? I'm totally confused. I would say deflecting my stupid tweet with "no but our game has WOMEN" came across as preaching to the feminism crowd to me even if it was jokingly. The "hioh" hashtag says it all.
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