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Post by goishen on May 8, 2017 21:51:18 GMT
People keep saying Bioware needs to learn from this and that but my impression is that noy only Bioware didn't learn anything, but they also forgot what they did so well. I agree with this is as well as Link's points about learning from things in isolation. I'm just at a point where I dunno anymore with BioWare. I mean, the sooner that EA drops the axe on them, the better I'm thinking at this point.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 8, 2017 21:53:36 GMT
People keep saying Bioware needs to learn from this and that but my impression is that noy only Bioware didn't learn anything, but they also forgot what they did so well. I agree with this is as well as Link's points about learning from things in isolation. I'm just at a point where I dunno anymore with BioWare. I mean, the sooner that EA drops the axe on them, the better I'm thinking at this point. You do realize that may not happen right? There is still that Dylan game coming out, and for all we know, they are at work for MEA2. There is a good chance BioWare will continue on. Just because you don't like them anymore doesn't mean the company should vanish.
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Post by Sanunes on May 8, 2017 21:55:45 GMT
People keep saying Bioware needs to learn from this and that but my impression is that noy only Bioware didn't learn anything, but they also forgot what they did so well. I agree with this is as well as Link's points about learning from things in isolation. I'm just at a point where I dunno anymore with BioWare. I mean, the sooner that EA drops the axe on them, the better I'm thinking at this point. As long as BioWare games are making money they aren't going anywhere, besides instead of wishing all kinda of people out of work why don't you just drop the axe on BioWare yourself and have nothing to do with their games or online communities. It is what I did with Bethesda open-world games and I feel better for it.
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Post by linksocarina on May 8, 2017 21:58:55 GMT
The guy who reviewed it for our website says otherwise about Prey being a gem. It looks derivative to me honestly.
As to what you say in the OP, different genres, not really sure if such a thing will work with the gear and the enemies.
Writing however is interesting. Can a game, by it's very definition of having choice and consequence and character interaction, learn from a linear FPS shooter about genre writing?
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Post by derrame on May 8, 2017 22:00:16 GMT
Prey is a first person shooter
they can learn thousands of things from The Witcher 3, which is a great third person rpg
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Post by AnDromedary on May 8, 2017 22:03:43 GMT
People keep saying Bioware needs to learn from this and that but my impression is that noy only Bioware didn't learn anything, but they also forgot what they did so well. I agree with this is as well as Link's points about learning from things in isolation. I'm just at a point where I dunno anymore with BioWare. I mean, the sooner that EA drops the axe on them, the better I'm thinking at this point. Why is that? I mean, I agree, they are probably over their zenith at this point and unless there is some serious rethinking, in the studios, they'll probably no longer make the kind of games I'd like. But why wish them dead? It's not like a decline of BW wouldn't magically spring up another sutdio that will take their place. A lot of the oldschool devs have already left the company anyway and no one keeps those that are still there, so it's not like it's BW's fault that these people didn't start up something new again. Even if they did, it' wouldn't necessarily mean that it's going to magically produce something awesome. Let BioWare be. Best case scenario, they come up with something great again at some point. Worst case: We'll have to rely on other studios to make BioWare-esque games. But even then, I don't see BW's demise helping us cRPG-fans in any way.
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Post by goishen on May 8, 2017 22:08:18 GMT
Worst case is they take EA down the shitter.
Then all of EA goes away. Then all the sports games go away. Then all the sims games go away. People will love to hate, but they'll soon learn what it means to hate not having someone there to hate.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 8, 2017 22:14:04 GMT
Worst case is they take EA down the shitter. That's not a worst case scenario, that's a non-scenario.
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Post by shechinah on May 8, 2017 22:17:12 GMT
I agree with this is as well as Link's points about learning from things in isolation. I'm just at a point where I dunno anymore with BioWare. I mean, the sooner that EA drops the axe on them, the better I'm thinking at this point. Eh, I don't see a reason to hope for that. It'd leave a lot of people out of a job and a lot of fans out of games that they enjoy. If you've given up on the company and don't think you'll enjoy any future game of theirs then I think it'd be better to just consider Bioware dead to you and go with the companies whose games you do enjoy. You can enjoy the games that you enjoy and others can enjoy the games that they enjoy.
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Post by goishen on May 8, 2017 22:17:26 GMT
Heh. Okay. Whatever man. I'm just too tired to argue with you at this point.
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Post by goishen on May 8, 2017 22:21:57 GMT
I agree with this is as well as Link's points about learning from things in isolation. I'm just at a point where I dunno anymore with BioWare. I mean, the sooner that EA drops the axe on them, the better I'm thinking at this point. Eh, I don't see a reason to hope for that. It'd leave a lot of people out of a job and a lot of fans out of games that they enjoy. If you've given up on the company and don't think you'll enjoy any future game of theirs then I think it'd be better to just consider Bioware dead to you and go with the companies whose games you do enjoy. You can enjoy the games that you enjoy and others can enjoy the games that they enjoy. It's not that. It's not that they're in between a rock and a hard place, it's the fact that they're sitting in the cat bird's seat. We keep pointing to games and then BioWare takes the wrong thing away from it. We point them at past games, BioWare takes the wrong things from THOSE games. It's like explaining an English major's paper to a mathematical autistic savant. They can hear you, but it does absolutely no good.
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Post by Sanunes on May 8, 2017 22:30:47 GMT
The guy who reviewed it for our website says otherwise about Prey being a gem. It looks derivative to me honestly. As to what you say in the OP, different genres, not really sure if such a thing will work with the gear and the enemies. Writing however is interesting. Can a game, by it's very definition of having choice and consequence and character interaction, learn from a linear FPS shooter about genre writing? My biggest problem with the stories in BioWare games is they try and leave them extremely open ended, which I think hurt Andromeda because of it being an open world game removed a chance at structuring the game through story instead of the world. The one advantage I see with Prey and its story is that everything is written for a Morgan protagonist, even if you swap the gender of the character all that is changing is the pronouns the NPCs use. Something I just saw was that there is a speed run of Prey that a person can beat the game in 20min, I am pretty sure they are using things the developers didn't expect. I just wonder how the community would have reacted if something similar happened with Andromeda.
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Post by Sanunes on May 8, 2017 22:33:03 GMT
Eh, I don't see a reason to hope for that. It'd leave a lot of people out of a job and a lot of fans out of games that they enjoy. If you've given up on the company and don't think you'll enjoy any future game of theirs then I think it'd be better to just consider Bioware dead to you and go with the companies whose games you do enjoy. You can enjoy the games that you enjoy and others can enjoy the games that they enjoy. It's not that. It's not that they're in between a rock and a hard place, it's the fact that they're sitting in the cat bird's seat. We keep pointing to games and then BioWare takes the wrong thing away from it. We point them at past games, BioWare takes the wrong things from THOSE games. It's like explaining an English major's paper to a mathematical autistic savant. They can hear you, but it does absolutely no good. If BioWare did a direct copy of those features how do you think people would react? I have zero faith in the community when it comes to BioWare and I would expect something just as big as the facial issues, but how "BioWare plagiarized those features" and how they can't come up with anything original on their own.
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Post by MajorAssman on May 8, 2017 23:36:21 GMT
Prey is a first person shooter they can learn thousands of things from The Witcher 3, which is a great third person rpg With god awful combat.
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Post by SofNascimento on May 8, 2017 23:51:13 GMT
I don't want Bioware to end, but at the same time, if they tomorrow announce MEA"2" and it's made by the same people, I won't care at all. I'll keep an eye out and probably get it when I can pay a good price, after all it will still be Mass Effect, but the only way I'll get excited if they bring new people in, especially if they let older people out.
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Post by colfoley on May 8, 2017 23:59:35 GMT
Honestly with people comparing the game to BioShock I am pretty interested in it. And yes, I suppose at the end of the day, BioWare could learn some 'story' things from BioShock/ or Prey...but at the end of the day they are also very different stories.
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Post by setokaiba on May 9, 2017 0:10:01 GMT
I never liked Bioshock to be honest so no just no.
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Post by wolfsite on May 9, 2017 0:11:37 GMT
I'll just wait for someone to create a thread about how Bioware can learn from The Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy.
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Post by setokaiba on May 9, 2017 0:17:39 GMT
I'll just wait for someone to create a thread about how Bioware can learn from The Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy. At this point we might as well just say they should learn from everything that ever existed.
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Post by piratesnugglecakes on May 9, 2017 0:18:12 GMT
People keep saying Bioware needs to learn from this and that but my impression is that noy only Bioware didn't learn anything, but they also forgot what they did so well. I looked at Prey and honestly it looked like it would scare the sh*t out of me playing it so I passed. The above statement though says it all for me. They used to do dialogue and interesting characters so much better; someone mentioned they wanted lightsabers to make the game better? Forget that. Just give me HK-47. His dialogue of slightly less than veiled insults while you were trying to unlock his memory still makes me laugh out loud. Wouldn't SAM have been a bit more fun if he had a slightly malignant personality?
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Post by blueasari on May 9, 2017 0:29:23 GMT
People keep saying Bioware needs to learn from this and that but my impression is that noy only Bioware didn't learn anything, but they also forgot what they did so well. Spot on.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 9, 2017 0:42:08 GMT
I agree with this is as well as Link's points about learning from things in isolation. I'm just at a point where I dunno anymore with BioWare. I mean, the sooner that EA drops the axe on them, the better I'm thinking at this point. Why is that? I mean, I agree, they are probably over their zenith at this point and unless there is some serious rethinking, in the studios, they'll probably no longer make the kind of games I'd like. But why wish them dead? It's not like a decline of BW wouldn't magically spring up another sutdio that will take their place. A lot of the oldschool devs have already left the company anyway and no one keeps those that are still there, so it's not like it's BW's fault that these people didn't start up something new again. Even if they did, it' wouldn't necessarily mean that it's going to magically produce something awesome. Let BioWare be. Best case scenario, they come up with something great again at some point. Worst case: We'll have to rely on other studios to make BioWare-esque games. But even then, I don't see BW's demise helping us cRPG-fans in any way. It would only make things worse. The competition is already learned from Bioware's mistakes and don't think for a minute they're not paying attention. Bioware f***ed up with three horrible releases that needed heavy patching (because derr... every AAA does it... derp... why not Bioware... derp), they closed their own forums (snowflakes, p***ies, b****es because they're too sensitive. Let's all give them a collective "awww... poor baby") and everything is more beautiful in Frostbite, but they can't code paragon/renegade (because it's too hard, derp.) and make excuses not to include fundamentals that made their previous games great and popular. They're trying... it's all I can say as a compliment for now. Missed potential. No modding. EA, Enthusiasm Annihilated. (I am talking of real modding.) Character creator my ass. Here are your choices: Ugly, uglier, and fugly. I WANT MY HIT OF BIOWARE DAMN IT!!! I spent $75 on bunk.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 9, 2017 0:44:07 GMT
I never liked Bioshock to be honest so no just no. I have all three. Finished the first one. Tried the second. disappointed. Tried the third and my current rig is not enough. Will try it again when I'm out in the boonies.
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 9, 2017 0:45:10 GMT
Hmmm from what I've seen of Angry Joe playing the demo, Prey looks incredibly generic and boring. I couldn't be any less interested.
Even if the full game is good, the entire concept and style is very very different from Bioware, even before they went teletubbies in space.
Frantic survival horror combat is not something I enjoy. Nor is first person (Bioshock Infinite was an awesome ride though). So personally I hope Bioware doesn't look at that game for inspiration. But do discuss away!
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 9, 2017 0:47:41 GMT
Worst case is they take EA down the shitter. Then all of EA goes away. Then all the sports games go away. Then all the sims games go away. People will love to hate, but they'll soon learn what it means to hate not having someone there to hate. I couldn't care less about any of these games honestly. Bioware games are practically the only reason I have an Origin account. And as right now I find it hard to care very much about Bioware... Yeah... I just don't care much either way, Bioware continues, Bioware dies, meh...
That said, I doubt EA will die any time soon, especially not because of Bioware - even if they become a financial failure. And I'm not saying it out of any particular love I feel for them.
When EA feels they can sell the IP at a greater profit than making a game, Bioware will be made useless. Period. When I heard EA Bucharest was doing some work on the cheap, I wouldn't doubt it's a long term plan to sell the IP to someone who will overpay for it and be left with all the baggage of the previous releases.
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