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Post by Lebanese Dude on Apr 1, 2017 3:08:21 GMT
I feel like the writer was actually probably just tone deaf and didn't mean for the pressure to be serious. They should have written Jill as a less abrasive, less focal character and just done something like have her pregnant at the time we meet and have that as a gateway for Gil to express how he'd like to have kids someday with Scott, not because Jill is pressuring him to, but just because he likes kids and wants to be a dad. I mean, how hard is that? Then Jill could volunteer to carry the baby for them just as a normal surrogate without it being this huge, looming feature of the relationship. "Make a character I don't like less relevant because I don't like her". People like Jill exist.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Apr 1, 2017 3:01:25 GMT
Maybe you should avoid games where the entire premise is colonization then? Just a thought... By the way, what's the the general allergy to kids here? And what is this "asking teh gays to raise kids too is problematic" nonsense? Do your mothers not ask for a cute grandson? Because mine does all the fucking time... and I secretly love it, but don't tell her My parents do ask for grandkids. I tell her the same thing: "I don't want any kids. You have two other sons, bug them for grandkids." Good thing you can express that opinion if you have a stake in it. Otherwise it's none of your business.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Apr 1, 2017 3:00:33 GMT
Wait, they have sperm banks? If that's the case, why would they even need gays to help repopulate lol? The limiting factor in this case is rather women. Because women don't pop adult, productive members of a society out of their vaginas. lol it's funny how parenting is forgotten xD
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Apr 1, 2017 2:59:28 GMT
What makes that so bad? Maybe he does find purpose with a kid. Why are you assuming he didn't?
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Apr 1, 2017 2:56:58 GMT
True. Memory fail. Although a lot are in stasis and population efforts need to begin immediately. Regardless, it's still an interesting question. The problem is more of that there wasn't enough resource to sustain population, rather than not enough population to sustain itself. If tje resource is enough, 20k population would do just fine. There's no need for gay people to participate. What you view as "no need" is viewed differently by someone whose entire job is to ensure the viability of the population especially when there aren't enough resources as you specified. To her, if you aren't contributing, you're not fulfilling expectations. You cannot fault her for thinking that way. The issue presented is that people who are sent to colonize are expected to reproduce, irrespective of their sexual orientation. You can disagree with that sentiment, and if you're in a relationship with Gil, can influence events appropriately.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Apr 1, 2017 2:48:23 GMT
The subject is definitely important in the context but is it necessary to even in attempted jest tell gay guys they're a problem, a hinderance to the viability of society. It's said to be part of their snarky relationship but we just see too little of it for it to not have unfortunate connotations. I guess there's a case for this is to be added to reasons why resource allocation was just so badly mismanaged. What i think is problematic is how jill says what she says and how it comes across to players given the way things are in the world it isnt exactly easy to detatch the game world from attitudes we see around us. Don't view it as gay guys being a problem. It's guys who don't want to reproduce. There's a difference and the change in perspective may help. It's also not society as we know it, but a society in another galaxy facing a need for repopulation efforts. It's a different setting with different parameters. I do understand associating it with modern contexts, but it is still a valid question in the actual context it is presented in.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Apr 1, 2017 2:42:11 GMT
It's not problematic. The question is very real. It takes 5000 humans to sustain a viable population. There are only 20,000 humans on the ship, with a significant number having died or been exiled Should gay men be part of colonization efforts on different planets when they can't reproduce naturally? If so, should they be held responsible to at least reproduce via artificial means. If not, then how would you address the social pressures they may face? I haven't even spoken to her yet, but based on what I've read, Jill represents what presumably friendly individuals might be if they were faced with the same pressures. Would you really fault her for pressuring Gil like that when it's her job to make sure humanity sustains a viable population? It's an interesting discussion I think. Probably not the most romantic though The people who are exiled or dead were on the nexus. The 20k in Hyperion are just fine and should be enough to sustain the population. True. Memory fail. Although a lot are in stasis and population efforts need to begin immediately. Regardless, it's still an interesting question.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Apr 1, 2017 2:30:46 GMT
It's not problematic. The question is very real. It takes 5000 humans to sustain a viable population. There are only 20,000 humans on the ship, with a significant number having died or been exiled
Should gay men be part of colonization efforts on different planets when they can't reproduce naturally? If so, should they be held responsible to at least reproduce via artificial means. If not, then how would you address the social pressures they may face?
Jill represents what presumably friendly individuals might be if they were faced with the same pressures. Would you really fault her for pressuring Gil like that when it's her job to make sure humanity sustains a viable population?
It's an interesting discussion I think, if not necessarily the most romantic.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 31, 2017 14:11:00 GMT
Exploring space.
One of my favorite bits in MEA is flying to a random planet, leaving the galaxy map, and just looking at the planet from the ship windows with the backdrop of space.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 30, 2017 19:39:19 GMT
Well m/m have one thing going for them. They get to have two human options when f/f and straight male characters get one ... although we're tied with straight female characters on that Then again... Asari = blue human...
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 30, 2017 13:37:01 GMT
Ugh more bad writing from the devs.
Where's the sense of immersion? Why can't I have a dialogue response to that statement? #SJWBioWer
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 30, 2017 11:42:22 GMT
Maybe it's just that Reyes doesn't have a romance flag like the Tempest LIs. But I'm pretty sure I read people saying the committing to him locked the, out of continuing with Vetra and Liam. Ah ... well ... guess our gay PC is polyamorous
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 30, 2017 11:39:38 GMT
Well one thing I find odd is BioWare's hesitance to make an alien a m/m option.Jaal should have been bisexual. It didn't make sense TMIt doesn't make sense for them to not be bisexual. Why should an alien care about sexual dimorphism in a species outside their own?
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 30, 2017 11:36:15 GMT
Maybe it's just that Reyes doesn't have a romance flag like the Tempest LIs.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 30, 2017 11:25:44 GMT
There's more variation in Ryder than Shepard lol
We're talking 2 expression tones (casual/professional) with 2 expression types (emotional/logical).
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 30, 2017 11:20:02 GMT
Well one thing I find odd is BioWare's hesitance to make an alien a m/m option.
Jaal should have been bisexual.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 30, 2017 4:45:16 GMT
Well let's hope there's actual DLC for the game at this point, and that DLC contains Gil content.
Anyone else a little concerned about all the SJW hate starting to be a significant thorn at BioWare's side? All that metabombing and "face is tired" meme'ing was heavily influenced by people wanting to shit on BioWare for their "pro-lesbian transsexual agenda".
EA may not look kindly on that.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 30, 2017 4:33:07 GMT
Er...Dragon Age has rarely featured actual gay characters outside of the main cast (only Dorian).
It's quite unfair to compare ME to DA. ME1 came out before BioWare's 1st m/m coupling in DAO which had its romance involve a bisexual elven sex-addict who strongly preferred women and frequently mentioned it. It wasn't til DA2 which also came after ME2 where BioWare began having significant m/m content in the form of "playersexuality". The argument for ME2 was that Shepard had already been "established" at that point. It could have been a reasonable one too. I'm glad they broke it with ME3, which had BioWare's first actual gay (m/m) character in the cast as well as a much-wanted coupling in the form of a m/m romance with Kaidan.
Where's your context people?
People keep mentioning the squad mate thing. Checking the videos, romance content is similar across most romances (Reyes gets the most flirts...). If you're conflating romance content with NPC content, then that's just your perspective. Would it be nice if Gil was a squad member? Absolutely. It doesn't dilute from his romance nor does it make it any less important just because he's not your combatant co-worker. There's still character and romance development. Aren't those what matter?
Beyond Gil and Reyes, MEA has a gay Turian power couple, a guy crushing on Gil, and messages between a gay human couple in the first 10 hours of the game. That's only the m/m content. There's a whole lot of f/f content (more than straight female characters get)
Still, all people can do is fixate on is the softcorn porn scenes. I would've liked those too but are those really the measuring stick we go by now?
I understand where people coming from, but I have to say I'm kinda disappointed.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 30, 2017 3:27:21 GMT
My heart breaks just reading these last few posts, and I haven't been able to play MEA for a few days now (Spring Break!)
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 29, 2017 14:11:25 GMT
-> Asks people about their lives -> Surprised that they open up about their lives
Control yourself OP.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 29, 2017 14:07:06 GMT
It's really strange, like the game is not ready for open world where the player is free to do things unconventionally. Do you guys know the first Remnant site with Scourge anomaly that you saw on the roadside after clearing the first Remnant structure in Eos? The one with a datapad on the ground? My Ryder was nearly dying during the encounter with the Remnants, so I reloaded the game, drove back to that place and guess what? The site's clean, no Remnants in sight and the datapad's gone along with the sidequest trigger. Same thing happened if I bolted from the encounter halfway, drove away and return later. The place will be empty. What the hell. The current cell resets random enemy spawns on reload. Not sure if bug or feature. DAI did something similar.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 29, 2017 14:02:13 GMT
More options = More menus
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 29, 2017 12:52:39 GMT
MEA is basically ME1 mixed with ME2. Not shocking at all. The problem is that it fails to mimic both those games strengths. It's a jack of all trades, mediocre at all. What strengths are those? MEA has its own strengths as well.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 29, 2017 3:12:33 GMT
People putting Andromeda above ME1 and ME2.... MEA is basically ME1 mixed with ME2. Not shocking at all.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 28, 2017 21:48:23 GMT
Here is synopsis of *insert CRPG here"'s story. You travel to _____ . Once there you go on a massive killing spree. In the end ____ looks prettier. FTFY
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