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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 31, 2017 23:59:19 GMT
The problem is that with the existence of ANY MT That is not cosmetic then the games mechanics will always revolve around them to make sure you want to buy more and they will try to sleaze you as much as humanly possible
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 31, 2017 21:21:57 GMT
Explicit statement that RR will never be pay-to-win, with the possible exception of very limited grind "catch up" convenience. no, for the love of god NO! then the game's progression will be intentionally slowed down to a crawl so that you will be tempted to buy the goddamn micro transactions to speed it up. Case in point Shadow of War and it's insanely stupid act 4 gimmick. no, not only NO but HELL no! AND... let's make sure people can "grind" by replaying the campaign (assuming the game is gonna have one which at this point I am leaning towards not) instead of doing mindless open world activities which consist of doing the same thing over and over again but WITHOUT any awesome production value.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 28, 2017 17:05:21 GMT
The problem wit that mindset is that said corporations have an army of well paid lawyers who help them skirt the boundaries of the law.
for instance DE:MD. The dev technically id NOT lie and the game only IMPLIES the progression continues
Shadow of war as well, They locked the "real ending" of the game behind a 15 hour slug called "act 4" which is a joyless repetitive exercise which is only alleviated by buying xp boosts to level up quicker and insure your orcs are up to snuff...and you goy it, the only way to buy those is with real world money...but they did not lie, they are engineering the game like a goddamn skinnerbox to make sure you will be tempted to buy it as much as possible. Well yeah, that's certainly a problem, but they would have their lawyers in regards to the LB regulations as well. As for Shadow of War, I would have simply used cheat engine or something. Fuck their MTs. I play on console so....I can't
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 26, 2017 20:26:29 GMT
sorry, I don't think Anthem is going to have anything we came to love and cherish in a Bioware game
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 24, 2017 19:58:18 GMT
Sorry my friend...I have the giant sinking feeling Anthem is going to be crucified and EA is not gonna do itself any favors and will DEFINITELY try to capitalize on everything that the media hates right now
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 24, 2017 15:45:15 GMT
point is sometimes publishers lie and developers -likely directed by the publishers- (directly or by omission)
Take Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. Potential customers asked the developers if the game had a NG+ feature like the one implemented in the original -after MANY petitions-. Developers go on record saying "yes it does". What they FAILED to say is that unlike its predecessor's NG+ this one works only ONCE and in spite of the game telling you directly OTHERWISE -implying progression continues in NG++ and +++- the game will wipe out ANY progression you made in the second run and the only way to continue the progression is, you got it, to buy praxis and things with MTX. willingly BREAKING the feature to make an extra buck!
(don't even get me started with the BS that turned out to be Shadow of War....which I find even more despicable)
so one really does not know until they buy the game and in some cases have invested MANY hours into it if some shitty tactic was implemented
Right, and in that case, if you can prove wrongdoing, or rather false advertising, I believe it might be possible to sue the company. That's not something that requires more regulations, because according to the law that shouldn't happen anyway.
Corporate isn't going to suddenly stop being corporate, and a few regulations won't really change that, these people are adepts at dealing with regulations.
As an aside, I played DE:MD, and I used cheat engine to get what I "should" have paid for, and I'll admit, it was partially out of spite (the game didn't really hold my interest for long).
The bottom line IMO is that training consumers to be more aware and respond to this crap, is the ideal way to deal with it. Corporate is going to push, they don't care, they only see dollar signs, our job is to train them that at some point those dollar signs might take a hit if they don't restrain themselves.
I'm not enthusiastic about LB regulations because that might open the door for other things, but as long as they remain largely un-intrusive and stay on that issue, I guess it's fine.
The problem wit that mindset is that said corporations have an army of well paid lawyers who help them skirt the boundaries of the law.
for instance DE:MD. The dev technically id NOT lie and the game only IMPLIES the progression continues
Shadow of war as well, They locked the "real ending" of the game behind a 15 hour slug called "act 4" which is a joyless repetitive exercise which is only alleviated by buying xp boosts to level up quicker and insure your orcs are up to snuff...and you goy it, the only way to buy those is with real world money...but they did not lie, they are engineering the game like a goddamn skinnerbox to make sure you will be tempted to buy it as much as possible.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 23, 2017 21:58:04 GMT
Industry self regulation simply does not work, imo.
What works is when people stop buying shitty games, therefore pushing developers/publishers to change.
It's much easier and much more realistic than trying to regulate the industry into making stuff we want, because that will never work. At best they will be less blatant about certain practices.
point is sometimes publishers lie and developers -likely directed by the publishers- (directly or by omission)
Take Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. Potential customers asked the developers if the game had a NG+ feature like the one implemented in the original -after MANY petitions-. Developers go on record saying "yes it does". What they FAILED to say is that unlike its predecessor's NG+ this one works only ONCE and in spite of the game telling you directly OTHERWISE -implying progression continues in NG++ and +++- the game will wipe out ANY progression you made in the second run and the only way to continue the progression is, you got it, to buy praxis and things with MTX. willingly BREAKING the feature to make an extra buck!
(don't even get me started with the BS that turned out to be Shadow of War....which I find even more despicable)
so one really does not know until they buy the game and in some cases have invested MANY hours into it if some shitty tactic was implemented
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 23, 2017 20:17:20 GMT
I mean, was there any single gullible person in the entire world that actually bought that? "A sense of pride and accomplishment"? It sounds so cringy when taken in context of the game's progression system and P2W LB MT.
Gamers know how good progression systems work in good games, we don't have to be taught that, it's EA that completely failed in this regard.
This is either PR completely not understanding who they are talking to, or just corporate being corporate and assuming that their consumers are so dumb that they can basically get away with anything.
I'd like to see a shift in the way PR is done. If devs are afraid to speak candidly, that's their choice, but PR doesn't have to be this empty meaningless corporate babble. It can be more human, less pretentious.
Because basically, at this point, every time an EA suit (but not only) opens their mouth I'm just assuming that to a significant degree, they are probably lying.
-(_ANTHEM_)-
Once more the Destiny 2 user community is in an uproar. Look at the main page of Destiny 2 official forums. ... filled with requests to remove Eververse. At this point I believe the publisher doesn't care what the players want. I mean, they got caught holding back experience gains after a level cap. And now are at it again.
Industry self regulation simply does not work, imo.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 22, 2017 16:45:37 GMT
I wonder how people will take it when they are presented with the ACTUAL (abysmal) odds of getting something using real world money
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 21, 2017 19:22:55 GMT
wow...no freaking shit Sherlock!
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 17, 2017 15:02:34 GMT
But seriously I have no idea what this statement is supposed to mean? The game is heavily inspired by folk music or they want to create the video game equivalent of a whiskey soaked fossil aged well past his prime? To be honest I don't know a lot about Bob Dylan apart from his music so I don't exactly know where they are coming from with this, is there supposed to be some sort of meaning here or is it just dumb marketing speak like how button and awesome were finally united? it's the awesome button all over again
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 16, 2017 21:00:59 GMT
he actually has some good points I think they are mostly speculations packed with strawmen. The best points were about trust and engagement being hurt by EA, in my view. Yes, it could all go to hell, and right now it's easy clicks ribbing on a game that has had one 7-minute reveal trailer. I was referring to the player agency VS the destiny style shared world which if you remember was one of my points.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 16, 2017 19:48:20 GMT
whats the point of these "my angst/opinion put into long video where I continuously reassess my view" videos? Views? Likes? Subs? he actually has some good points
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 16, 2017 19:46:50 GMT
I should also add if you look at the twitter backlash that happened way back when in July a very good chunk of it can be summarized in "I do not want Destiny 2.1" often followed by what the poster hated about destiny...
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 16, 2017 15:27:44 GMT
sounds like a lot of what I was saying in other threads...
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 16, 2017 15:01:30 GMT
3: it is a Destiny clone/competitor, there is a large segment online that truly despises destiny and wants nothing to do with it or its less than stellar competitors (the division) and that is exacerbated by #4 Why say something like "large segment" when you can't justify it? I could say there is a large segment of COD haters -- because I know some COD haters -- but I'd have to contend with the fact that COD games hold 3 of the top 20 spots for the best-selling video games of all time. A provable fact would deter me from saying something as silly as, "a large segment of COD haters." Bad rhetoric makes my face tired. I am sorry, I realize the comment was a bit bare bones.... let me elaborate to your tired/sad face...
the large segment I am talking about is comprised of those people who were burned from the first game, those who maybe for lack of information (since Destiny kinda got better in that respect) associate destiny to a story-less, joy-less time sink of a skinner box game. And Destiny 2 sales and preorder numbers compared to the first one actually kinda confirm that (50% lower in physicals, far less preorders, lots more negativity on their forums....the fact that Activision touts attachment rates and per player hours spent in the game as opposed to actual sales numbers and so on and so forth)
Now this mass of people also seems to be rather vocal online and they see in Anthem what they saw in Destiny 1 thus they will attack it especially if they LIKE what they see so far but they are afraid this is gonna turn into another Destiny.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 15, 2017 19:06:48 GMT
Jumping off a previous discussion. Anthem is obviously going to be structured a bit differently than previous Bioware titles. Nonetheless, we’ve been told there will be a “Bioware style” story and Drew Karpyshyn must be doing something over there. So, how do you think this story will be structured? When I ask that, I’m thinking in terms of presentation. Could it be like HZD, with an overarching epic that takes you throughout the world? Or could it be a bit more like DA2, with many interlinked storylines spread across the world rather than a grand epic? Something else? Do you want to see a lot of story events happening in this hub? What do you want to see? Expect to see? I said this before
unless they are separating the "story" and the "Destiny grind" in some manner (or maybe the way Halo 4 and 5 separated MP from SP or Titanfall 2 for that matter) this will NOT be a Bioware game in terms of story
the two genres (Bioware story game and Destiny shared world games) are not compatible and cannot coexist
that said, I sadly expect this to be a soulless campaign about 6 hours long to prepare you for the inevitable insane grind accompanied by loot boxes.
what I would LOVE if for them to do what I explained above. Create a Bioware-Style campaign and separate it from the grind part of the game. Yes that means being able to PLAY ALONE WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE BOTHERING YOU AND MAYBE EVEN OFFLINE. You know what make it only like 15 hours long or so so it is not too long...then allow players to carry on their progression to the grind-style destiny shared world part. Allow for the loot to transfer into the NG+ so that if you want the best loot (restrict campaign loot to rare items, leave legendary and exotics for the shared world experience) for you SP game you have to play the shared world part and there you go, you pleased both parties
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 15, 2017 18:51:47 GMT
I haven't looked yet today, but I think Trion Worlds should be getting flak over there $100 limited time lootbox in Rift, regardless if it is F2P or not. Not only it was, but Trion already removed that lootboxes from the game: www.mmorpg.com/rift/news/update-100-loot-box-removed-after-controversy-1000046748 The Orphiel's Mount Crate has been removed from the RIFT store - we listened to feedback, met internally to discuss and decided to pull it.
There are a TON of other great things going on for Fae Yule though, and folks seem to be enjoying them. =)
I can't speak for all the game design requests in this thread, other than to say that RIFT Dev is constantly evaluating and reviewing projects. We're all working toward getting things wrapped up before the holiday break (Trion kindly gives us the days off between Christmas and New Year's), so I wouldn't expect a whole lot of new communication until January.
BrasseSo it started, players are vigilant now. good!
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 15, 2017 17:58:54 GMT
I just saw another of those videos appear on my YouTube feed. You know, another of those ANTHEM IS FAILING, HEMORRHAGING DEVELOPERS, BIOWARE IS A SINKING SHIP, IT WILL BE FILLED TO THE BRIM WITH EXPLOITATIVE LOOTBOX PROGRESSION. All supported by some flat out incorrect information and huge amounts of speculation stated as fact. Then I glanced at the comments to see that the vast majority were people saying things like “This was your best video! Anthem is so going to fail!” And I just have to ask... why? Why are people so damn eager to embrace the narrative of Anthem and Bioware’s failure? 1: it is an EA game
2: People are still sore about MEA, about the lack of SP expansions, about the state of the game when it was released....and even about the fact that it did not win back any hearts and minds after the ME3 ending debacle (I do not wanna argue about it, you can disagree but Mac and Casey's ART did not do any favors to the series)
3: it is a Destiny clone/competitor, there is a large segment online that truly despises destiny and wants nothing to do with it or its less than stellar competitors (the division) and that is exacerbated by #4
4: Bioware has shown us (as I said before) only Destiny-like features and NOTHING of what they are famous for/what people want from them (A bioware story/character driven game).
those are the reasons that come to mind first...
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 13, 2017 20:22:59 GMT
And that ia because you assume that "being disappointed in a game"="it is not a Bioware game" No, DAI I was quite ok with as far as a core Bioware game goes, their crafting system was god awful but eh, all in all not completely idiotic and on the level of a warframe BS....Mass effect Andromeda....again the core game was ok, it is a Bioware game the shortcomings were the tree hugging "we come in peace and we are entirely unprepared" preamble and the fact that a B team made the game. They BOTH were Bioware games at heart as we are used to. Yes they were not as well made as other offerings but I'd rather have that than a destiny clone. I asked about ME3 rather than MEA, but fair enough. I only assumed for the sake of saving time -- if I was sure, I wouldn't have asked. My point remains, however. The trend of ME3 and DAI, relative to their franchises, were clearly in the direction of more action and broadening the base of players. Which begs the question, will that be at the expense of the more traditional story-driven elements that distinguished games like DAO and ME1? With respect to DAI, some believe that has already happened (I don't happen to agree, but I see their point). Time will tell. Does it have to be one or the other? My guess (and I admit it was a guess, just like everyone else in this forum is guessing, including you), is that it was a bit of both. Whether it started in Bioware and EA co-opted it as a platform for more recurring revenue, or, EA gave Bioware a blanket mandate to come up with a recurring revenue platform and Anthem/Dylan is what their response was, to your point, who knows? But I doubt it was all one or all the other. there is a difference between focusing on action when it comes to marketing and focusing on action gameplay (which was done horribly in ME1) and changing the core of the games. Yes ME3 had a lot more Michael Bay in it than ME1 and 2 but it was a Bioware game until the last 10 minutes where it because a Mac&Casey game. You had your companions, team building, romance arcs, pivotal character moments and blah blah blah. I really do not see why I, a player who wants a Bioware game, would be disappointed since I got all the story telling and interactions and all of the action... Now about the whole "who chose this path" NO DEVELOPER wants to build microtransactions into their games because 1: It is extra work. 2: It generates NO good will...at all...ever. If they are in the game they WILL definitely be if you ask me ot will have been the PUBLISHER'S decision. Sure Bioware might have wanted to do something slightly different. I get it. But that is so far out of Bioware's sandbox and sooooo much in line with what investors who saw destiny in action would want that I just cannot buy that this was their decision. "we are Bioware, we make great story driven and character interaction driven games....let's making a soulless but super shiny RNG governed game in which there will be nothing of the above and make sure it is made by the numbers so it will take in all of that delicious destiny crowd" No I am not buying it.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 13, 2017 17:50:25 GMT
Uhhh...no, because if the MT only affect the social aspect of the game and the hypothetical Bioware story experience is unaffected by it and it actually IS a Bioware story I could care less how many loot crate they throw in. No Bioware story experience = this is not a Bioware game which is THE worst possible outcome for someone who wants a goddamn Bioware game. smh Bro, I think you're going to be disappointed no matter what Bioware does. Humor me with some level setting ... were you disappointed with DAI or ME3, relative to previous installments in their respective franchises? To save time, I will assume the answer is yes and move on to my punch line, which is, what makes you think Bioware wants to even make GODDAMN BIOWARE games anymore? We already know that a big part of the genesis of Anthem was that the devs wanted to do something different. And that ia because you assume that "being disappointed in a game"="it is not a Bioware game" No, DAI I was quite ok with as far as a core Bioware game goes, their crafting system was god awful but eh, all in all not completely idiotic and on the level of a warframe BS....Mass effect Andromeda....again the core game was ok, it is a Bioware game the shortcomings were the tree hugging "we come in peace and we are entirely unprepared" preamble and the fact that a B team made the game. They BOTH were Bioware games at heart as we are used to. Yes they were not as well made as other offerings but I'd rather have that than a destiny clone. Also, you do not know and will NEVER know whether it was Bioware wanting to do something different or EA wanting to capitalize on the Destiny effect
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 12, 2017 18:01:10 GMT
You are kidding right?? Destiny and Destiny 2 had a full writing team. Having a writing team ≠ Bioware storytelling and single player experience. Bioware's MO is always "if we are doing something that might piss off the fan base be quiet about it or vague". Case in point when they tried to axe out NG+ in ME2, the ending of ME3 (and how they remained super vague about it until release), Dragon Age 2 being pushed out way too early, A prisoner of Stone being made with the main game budget but being sold as DLC (same thing as they did with Javik) and so on and so forth. And they are not the only company doing that (look at 343 with halo 5 and the fiasco that was giving agent Locke 80% of the campaign while lying through their teeth about it). Until proven otherwise I will take the lack of knowledge and lack of transparency on this as an indication that the single player experience IF we could even call it that, will not be what we expect from a Bioware game. Bungie isn’t Bioware. They don’t work with writers the same way. Their “writing team” also consists of two writers for Destiny 2. We know of seven attached to Anthem. All of these cases are where the developer was consistently opaque up to release. We are still at least 9 months out from Anthem’s release. Dragon Age Inquisition hadn’t even begun its marketing campaign at this point in development, we knew nothing about it. That is the comparison you are making, which is why your position is a bit ridiculous. Hasn’t anyone ever told you that absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence? I just don’t get why you have to assume the worst instead of waiting until we know more like a rational person. if it was another developer, say CDPR, rockstar, monolith, Vigil, machine games (and they are losing my trust recently), Remedy...sure I would give them the benefit of the doubt. But Bioware? No, not with the track record they are building and the company they work for.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 12, 2017 16:02:23 GMT
uh because if there was a single player campaign in a Bioware-style sense it would be advertised explicitly. There is no reason not to advertise a positive feature. Silence and/or vague statements on something = the truth would piss the fan base off...this has been proven with Bioware multiple times. No, it hasn’t. Following this logic, the entire game must piss people off because they haven’t revealed much of anything. They haven’t revealed whether there will Be pvp or how gear will work, so the answer must be aweful. They haven’t revealed what exactly a Shaper storm is, so the answer must be aweful. They haven’t revealed everything a Javelin can do, so the answer must be aweful. Pray tell, if there is no SP, why do they have a full writing team led by Drew Karpyshyn? Why would they have a fully staffed writing team if they weren’t writing any kind of single player story? There’s only so much lore and side quests they can write. Filling every gap in knowledge with the worst case scenario just because there’s a gap is asinine. There might be a reason for concern once they start revealing more about the game if there are conspicuous gaps, but not now when they’ve told us so little. You are kidding right?? Destiny and Destiny 2 had a full writing team. Having a writing team ≠ Bioware storytelling and single player experience. Bioware's MO is always "if we are doing something that might piss off the fan base be quiet about it or vague". Case in point when they tried to axe out NG+ in ME2, the ending of ME3 (and how they remained super vague about it until release), Dragon Age 2 being pushed out way too early, A prisoner of Stone being made with the main game budget but being sold as DLC (same thing as they did with Javik) and so on and so forth. And they are not the only company doing that (look at 343 with halo 5 and the fiasco that was giving agent Locke 80% of the campaign while lying through their teeth about it). Until proven otherwise I will take the lack of knowledge and lack of transparency on this as an indication that the single player experience IF we could even call it that, will not be what we expect from a Bioware game.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 12, 2017 14:08:56 GMT
ok, present me with hard evidence of the contrary then... Because when ME1 was first revealed we already knew what a Bioware game was but they REAAAAALLY stressed out about the story, the character interactions and so on and so forth then from ME2 they focused on the action because the genere of the game was established. Right now all we know is that Anthem is a destiny wanna be. We don’t have hard evidence either way. All we have is marketing speak, the word of the devs, and a brief demo built to advertise to the looter-shooter crowd. None of that is enough to have a clear picture of what the final product will be. That is the only point I’m making. I don’t really see why you would jump to the worst possibilities when the truth is that we know next to nothing about the final product. uh because if there was a single player campaign in a Bioware-style sense it would be advertised explicitly. There is no reason not to advertise a positive feature. Silence and/or vague statements on something = the truth would piss the fan base off...this has been proven with Bioware multiple times.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 12, 2017 0:45:21 GMT
and I will tell you what I tell everyone when they tell me things like that
without a detailed, complete, coherent and supported by examples answer from the developers these evasive quotes mean nothing.
Until then, sadly, I am going to expect the worst, there is a chance I will be pleasantly surprised
Well if you want to assume the worst, I expect there’s nothing anyone could say or do to dissuade you 😒 ok, present me with hard evidence of the contrary then... Because when ME1 was first revealed we already knew what a Bioware game was but they REAAAAALLY stressed out about the story, the character interactions and so on and so forth then from ME2 they focused on the action because the genere of the game was established. Right now all we know is that Anthem is a destiny wanna be.
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