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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 12, 2017 0:42:49 GMT
Ok, present me with hard evidence.of the contrary then... Sure, I'll be back in 8-12 months with that... god damn it I quoted the wrong post
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 12, 2017 0:15:29 GMT
BioWare think they have done a clever thing here. A 'Bob Dylan' of games no less. Can it be true? We're struggling here because we don't know what they've done. Either times will indeed be a-changin’, or they will leave us blowin' in the wind. We'll know soon enough... Ok, present me with hard evidence.of the contrary then...
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 12, 2017 0:13:40 GMT
Until then, sadly, I am going to expect the worst, there is a chance I will be pleasantly surprised
If the “worst” is *only* that it doesn’t have a traditional Bioware story experience, we will have dodged a fusillade of bullets. This whole thread is about not inconceivable things that could happen that are far, far worse. So if all that goes wrong is no romances, I for one will breathe a sigh of relief. Uhhh...no, because if the MT only affect the social aspect of the game and the hypothetical Bioware story experience is unaffected by it and it actually IS a Bioware story I could care less how many loot crate they throw in. No Bioware story experience = this is not a Bioware game which is THE worst possible outcome for someone who wants a goddamn Bioware game.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 11, 2017 22:39:01 GMT
witcher 3 and skyrim have EXTENSIVE single player campaigns....I am not getting your point Those games were still vastly different then what BioWare eventually released. I don't see any of The Witcher 3 in Andromeda just like I didn't see a lot of Skyrim in Inquisition, just because they are comparing these games together it doesn't mean that they are going to be at alike. Its marketing and we don't know enough about Anthem to really have a good viewpoint of what the game will really be like and frankly BioWare's game comparisons I think are generated by EA's PR department and not BioWare themselves. true but they were talking about conceptual things not game mechanics that shape the narrative of game
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 11, 2017 22:38:09 GMT
which felt very impersonal and disconnected because there is no dialogue, only the commentary from the "player" (aka designer pretending to be a gamer -vomits-)
environmental story telling is nice but it is NOT why we play Bioware games now is it?
Actually the initial dialogue was the character, not the player. In any case, I will remind you that one of the devs (I think it was Corey ☹️) told us directly that a traditional “Bioware style” story would be in Anthem. What does that mean? I’m not sure, but I doubt it includes tossing dialogue choice and developing connections to NPCs off the top of Fort Tarsis. and I will tell you what I tell everyone when they tell me things like that
without a detailed, complete, coherent and supported by examples answer from the developers these evasive quotes mean nothing.
Until then, sadly, I am going to expect the worst, there is a chance I will be pleasantly surprised
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 11, 2017 22:36:12 GMT
you don't have a clue how because there is realistically no way of implementing them in a Destiny-like game unless they are nothing like the Bioware-like games. The two are mutually exclusive I don't buy that. If it is not possible in a Destiny-like game, then it will be less Destiny-like, it will be more Anthem-like. But as you rightly say, I'm acting on gut here... ok so, if we all have different characters who live in the same shared world...and the crew is ALWAYS the same and thus accessible by all of the players how are interpersonal relationships going to be handled? because those NPC will be basically acquaintances for all the shared world players not YOUR crew.
don't get me started on the love interests...
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 11, 2017 22:11:52 GMT
I'm expecting companions and/or other NPCs to be part of the mix, though at this point I have no clue how... you don't have a clue how because there is realistically no way of implementing them in a Destiny-like game unless they are nothing like the Bioware-like games. The two are mutually exclusive
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 11, 2017 22:09:05 GMT
It’s possible, but I wouldn’t worry about it. It could happen, but just because they aren’t drawing attention to the usual Bioware stuff (which they never do) doesn’t mean it won’t be there. I’m not saying it’s impossible, just that there isn’t a reason to get worked up quite yet. Well, I'd like to point out that the very first minute of demo is focused on a.) environment and environmental storytelling (looking around the market) b.) and story element (Praxley mission). which felt very impersonal and disconnected because there is no dialogue, only the commentary from the "player" (aka designer pretending to be a gamer -vomits-)
environmental story telling is nice but it is NOT why we play Bioware games now is it?
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 11, 2017 21:49:41 GMT
nothing about the single player campaign You assume there is a 'single player campaign', I'm not convinced that's true. I'm expecting a story set in a game world where you can team up with small groups, or indeed not. I'm not convinced there will be a single-player/multiplayer dichotomy. which is what I am afraid of....and what people above me are telling me is not possible
there will be no companions, no PC VS NPC interactions in the manner we are used to
No love interests, no best friends/buddies/rivals in the crew
it will basically be NOTHING of what we like from a bioware game and everything like Destiny with a soulless "make your own adventure with the repetitive quests we throw at you made shiny by our gorgeous graphics" sort of an excuse for a campaign
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 11, 2017 21:11:33 GMT
sure, but this is not even about "oh look at the action" no this is about the fact everything on their site is about the destiny mechanics, all of it.
"Share the world" "go on adventures with friends" "persistent environments" and blah blah blah.
nothing about the single player campaign
not to mention that Bioware relies almost always on the "you are the special hero who will rise from next to nothingness to greatness and save us all" kinda model which you cannot do in a destiny-like game because you share the world with 3516851684161 other players and not everyone can be THE hero
see where I'm going with it?
That is BioWare's MO though. How many times did they mention Skryim or Witcher 3 over the years for other games. witcher 3 and skyrim have EXTENSIVE single player campaigns....I am not getting your point
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 11, 2017 20:57:02 GMT
Bioware Edmonton gave us Mass Effect 1-3 sure
but notice how ALL the blurb is oriented toward the Destiny mechanics? go read the official website.
that scares me
Understandable, but try to remember that Bioware’s marketing campaigns are almost always targeted at people outside the core Bioware fan base. Every Bioware marketing campaign I’ve ever seen has leaned heavily on action rather than storytelling or character customization. sure, but this is not even about "oh look at the action" no this is about the fact everything on their site is about the destiny mechanics, all of it.
"Share the world" "go on adventures with friends" "persistent environments" and blah blah blah.
nothing about the single player campaign
not to mention that Bioware relies almost always on the "you are the special hero who will rise from next to nothingness to greatness and save us all" kinda model which you cannot do in a destiny-like game because you share the world with 3516851684161 other players and not everyone can be THE hero
see where I'm going with it?
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 11, 2017 20:27:24 GMT
wanna be afraid of something? Don't be afraid of Anthem mimicking SWBF2....be afraid of it mimicking DESTINY! this is a Bioware game and I am insanely afraid it will have a token borderline story-less 7 hours campaign mode made just to prepare you to the never ending "shared world gameplay" nonsense which consists of "do your daily, your weekly and then keep on grinding them over and over again to watch your progression snail pace towards a meaningless number" UGH! With BioWare's story-telling credentials from it's "A-team' in Edmonton. One thing I'm not worried about is a lack of story. It would seem bizarre to me if those writers that we know are there have been sitting on their hands. Bioware Edmonton gave us Mass Effect 1-3 sure
but notice how ALL the blurb is oriented toward the Destiny mechanics? go read the official website.
that scares me
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 11, 2017 20:22:35 GMT
I like how Mass Effect 3 dealt with it: a mix of drops from appropriate enemies (I don’t want to be getting ammo from wildlife) and resupply locations. I don’t want to feel too punished by running out of ammunition. 1: MEA should not have had ammo for most of its weapons
2: hopefully there are infinite ammo weapons and/or good melee
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 11, 2017 19:30:06 GMT
wanna be afraid of something?
Don't be afraid of Anthem mimicking SWBF2....be afraid of it mimicking DESTINY!
this is a Bioware game and I am insanely afraid it will have a token borderline story-less 7 hours campaign mode made just to prepare you to the never ending "shared world gameplay" nonsense which consists of "do your daily, your weekly and then keep on grinding them over and over again to watch your progression snail pace towards a meaningless number"
UGH!
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 6, 2017 21:40:58 GMT
Uh.... Yeah this game will most likely have microtransactions AND its model will be built around frustrating the fuck out of the players Wanna know how I get to this suspicion? Simple, it's the current trend....and unless companies like EA get scared shitless by legislative bodies stepping in they are NOT going to stop Case in point? Deus Ex mankind divided. Eidos BROKE the ng+ feature willingly so that any play through past the second would wipe all your progress beyond the first run....the only way to regain the lost progress? Microtransactions to buy praxis and upgrades. Shadow of War. Act 4 is a soulless, joyless slog that is designed to aggravate and be very grindy. The only respite? The xp boost so that you can level up and actually have uruks level up with you to be able to withstand the onslaught (and even then the system is designed to still keep you at a disadvantage). And guess what? XP boost is the only "loot crate" that van ONLY be purchased with real world money. These are just the two most recent games that are making it obvious mind you there are more... -(_ANTHEM_)-
If game progression is unachievable, without heavy grinding, that game is not for me.
If the game is no longer fun... that game is not for me.
I may buy Anthem for the Single Player Campaign... if it's longer than 20-30 hours of the main story arc.
And, I will wait for a sale, before buying, just to give my finger to EA. 🌸
my point was that the prequels to those games were not like that at all and were changed and built around microtransactions and ways to aggrivate the players
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 6, 2017 20:58:26 GMT
Sorry, no, I cannot agree with that. Those questions do not read anything like "how in depth is the single player experience" even in a round about way if you ask me. These questions need to be asked point blank otherwise there is no point in asking (especially with Bioware). Well, even if those two remained unanswered, I doubt the point blank will be till the game ships and we get reviews that give you the full skinny. It’s only a matter of time till the full disclosure. with a difference, if the media creates a negative narrative that gains bad publicity to a game then marketing and branding departments are faced with a choice "do we piss people off by remaining silent or do we piss people off by telling the truth?" And generally force a statement. For instance imagine the headline "Bioware refuses to talk about Anthem's campaign length...should the single player userses be expecting a substandard experience" Because you see, if the answer had been a truthful "yeah this game will a campaign similar in length and thoroughness to ME1 marketing would jump to the occasion to boast about it. Silence is usually an indication that the real answer would piss people off...
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 6, 2017 20:51:59 GMT
Uh....
Yeah this game will most likely have microtransactions AND its model will be built around frustrating the fuck out of the players
Wanna know how I get to this suspicion?
Simple, it's the current trend....and unless companies like EA get scared shitless by legislative bodies stepping in they are NOT going to stop
Case in point?
Deus Ex mankind divided. Eidos BROKE the ng+ feature willingly so that any play through past the second would wipe all your progress beyond the first run....the only way to regain the lost progress? Microtransactions to buy praxis and upgrades.
Shadow of War. Act 4 is a soulless, joyless slog that is designed to aggravate and be very grindy. The only respite? The xp boost so that you can level up and actually have uruks level up with you to be able to withstand the onslaught (and even then the system is designed to still keep you at a disadvantage). And guess what? XP boost is the only "loot crate" that van ONLY be purchased with real world money.
These are just the two most recent games that are making it obvious mind you there are more...
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 6, 2017 20:35:56 GMT
uhm....someone should really ask about how in depth the "single player experience" is going to be. I do not want another 5-hours-campaign-158751494648-hours-soulless-grind-Destiny-clone game.... That's what the OP sort of tried to reflect in the admittedly uber-long and windy Questions 2-3 that remained unanswered: bsn.boards.net/post/936300/threadSorry, no, I cannot agree with that. Those questions do not read anything like "how in depth is the single player experience" even in a round about way if you ask me. These questions need to be asked point blank otherwise there is no point in asking (especially with Bioware).
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 5, 2017 21:12:31 GMT
up to 30 hours with a NG+ feature (for the love of god let us not forget NG+)
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 5, 2017 21:06:11 GMT
uhm....someone should really ask about how in depth the "single player experience" is going to be.
I do not want another 5-hours-campaign-158751494648-hours-soulless-grind-Destiny-clone game....
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 29, 2017 11:32:03 GMT
bungie said the same about destiny.... HAHAHAHA What a joke It was perfectly solo-able for the most part. It was just boring as H-E-doublehockeysticks. and it did not respect the time of the solo player....so my point exactly
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 28, 2017 15:22:02 GMT
Color me skeptical at how "solo-friendly" this game will be. bungie said the same about destiny.... HAHAHAHA What a joke
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 25, 2017 18:23:47 GMT
- Bioware went full on SJW by making the AI a pussier version of the "federation"....if the mysterious benefactor is who we think it is then we should have had fucking warships I don't think it's possible to 'pussify' the Federation any more. Section 31 was the most interesting part of it; and the Maquis were in the right. the Enterprise has enough firepower to vaporize entire cities...the Tempest lacks even a peashooter
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 24, 2017 16:31:12 GMT
So you say you want your augmentations to hide crippling negative multipliers from you just like they did in MEA?
No thanks....LOL
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 23, 2017 23:00:02 GMT
So much negativity! Does it help that one of the "actors" wasn't an actor at all, but Sam Maggs, one of the writers on the game? Which makes me doubt any of the players were actors -- they might all of been devs on the game. And her laugh was not scripted. I personally think that decision was a cool move. Sure, it sounds stilted, because they weren't allowed to scream, "FUCK THE FUCKING RNG!" like *real* gamers. They had to keep it clean. So what, big whoop!? I'd rather have amateurs that have an emotional investment in playing the game and having fun than some hired, overly polished and emoted actor. no...it actually makes it worse Just do a fucking commentary and stop trying to be hip and cool and pretend those are the actual interactions that happen online
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