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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:32:27 GMT
It seems there's a banter bug in MEA. ? Really because I've been getting...too much if I'm honest they won't shut up. ...does this mean DA4 is gonna have it too because it seems to be an engine problem if anything.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:31:27 GMT
I didn't get much past the bloody baron when playing W3. I couldn't with that combat and the story wasn't enough for me to put up with it. (Also fuck Roach).
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:26:59 GMT
Really? I was fine with having less of an influence on her life than the Divine. HoF only knew her like what? A year? And even despite that she feels that the HoF is her safe harbor. Justinia was a bloody manipulative user and I have little regard for her. Oh I agree with you but she did have more of an influence on Leliana (even to the extent of undoing what I did if I could slap her in the face I would).
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:25:53 GMT
Cullen is a case that still saddens me because he was a waste of a good gay KISA, but at least in DAI there wasn't exclusion. This thing with Jaal needs to be addressed as soon as possible. It doesn't matter what they do (improve m/m scenes, dlc gay squadmate or bi Jaal), the game is out, and anything they'll do is just an ugly afterthought in my eyes, so I take what I can get, bi Jaal as my first choice of course. Or... Liam comes out of the closet. Tiran joins the Tempest and is ALL FOR SCOTT A hot gay drell becomes Scott's new squadmate cause reasons Reyes decides to join the Tempest and has an appetite that won't be sated, legit, I expect them to do it everywhere, zero G, beautiful starry backdrops, everywhure. One of the above or all four... then I might buy the game. A new companion would be nice. (I'm not sure if Reyes would work? Though it'd probably be easier than creating someone from scratch). Tiran though Especially if he's m/m only.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:23:40 GMT
Much as I want to hear what they have to say about the m/m content, it definitely isn't, and shouldn't be, top priority what with all of the technical issues that still need addressing. If they do intend to provide more content via DLC then I don't expect to hear about it for a while. The M/M situation is important, but I think we can all agree that they should ADDRESS THE CC STAT!!!!!!! Argh!!!!! Ugh why did you remind me of how shit that thing was. I didn't think they could make it worse than ME's but they managed. That's a miracle. Like I can even switch eyebrows? Why? And then I see a nose I want but the mouth is ugh but instead of switching the mouth like in every other CC just about oh no MEA has to be fucking special and I have to deal with it. What was wrong with DAI's CC? It's already designed did they just not ask the DAI guys for anything or what?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:21:49 GMT
I still wish it was Liam. He's perfect bae What's this about a vampire Sara? During his love scene instead of kissing him on the lips she goes for the neck. She wanted that blood.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:20:46 GMT
More heterosexuality in the new trailer. Thanks, Bioware. Thanks a lot. I secretly had hoped for Vetra tbh lol but i knew who it would be. People were demanding it. I still wish it was Liam. He's perfect bae
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
didn't hendel get turned straight by the scrub they brought in to write the last trilogy tie-in novel Yep. That whole book was garbage. That said Kai Leng pissing in vases and stealing cereal were top kek.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:17:11 GMT
Also I knew they wouldn't show off that Liam scene where she becomes a vamp. Was it really that hard for their lips to connect? I mean fucking Cora gets the whole nine yards nibbling.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:15:34 GMT
I'm screaming about how they're almost scared to show her face. I can't.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:14:24 GMT
The downvotes that trailer is gonna get lmao
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:12:29 GMT
Ehh, I still think ME:A is gayer than TW3, though that's a pretty low bar... I dunno... the camera lurves lingering on Geralt's ripped, bath water soaked abs just a second too long for it be to catering to anything BUT women and the gays Really? I thought it was to show off the scars and burns. He got rekt.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:08:22 GMT
I must have missed this. Whups. I don't know, that doesn't sit too well with me. He's straight, and straight he remains in my opinion... Yeah it's there, but it's awkward since nothing leads up to it unless you play as a female, so it's got a vibe that this was recycled from Cullen's moment with his beloved. They did that with several scenes to be fair. (Like any scene with fem PC walking good grief) it's probably a cost saving measure.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 16:01:38 GMT
But aren't there female drell? I wouldn't know... If she's a main character on the squad and restricted to female interests only, I'd be like "thank fuck." Thane had a dead wife and a son. So there, even that prince for ladies came with a baggage. Not to mention he was dying. BTW I adored Thane and was pissed to no end that he didn't give a hoot about my mSheps advances. I don't know why they keep doing that. Like jesus please stop with the Carth Syndrome. Good grief it's always awful (though I admit the worst implemention of it was Jaheria. "Let me start hitting on you when my husband's corpse hasn't even grown cold. Oh yeah you traveled with us too lol.") Almost made it in as a bisexual character. But almost doesn't count, I'm afraid. I know of someone who says this, but it's easier for them to say when they've happily played their inquisitor as a Trevelyan woman and enjoyed Cullen's story. But try telling a male player that, and it just sounds... well... "Don't worry, he was meant to be written as bisexual. You can just imagine your male PC romancing him." Yeah... Sorry, I don't mean to sound like I'm singling you out. I'm not. I'm just bitter about the idea (not about Cullen being straight, though). I was talking about his animations when talking with a male Inquisitor. He seemed flirty. Like it was a recycled moment from with a female. Yeah I felt that too. Especially when helping him after the lyrium addiction. It was just...uh. Still wasn't on the level of losing a limb though. Like what even was that.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:59:52 GMT
She scoffs at because she was devoted to Leliana it equaled common love. Also where are you even getting the non-DA fan assuming Leliana's straight from? You mean like the reaches that Leliana's attraction to women is being erased in DAI or people assuming she's straight? I hate that line, by the way. It feels rather belittling of the Hero of Ferelden. Really? I was fine with having less of an influence on her life than the Divine. HoF only knew her like what? A year? And even despite that she feels that the HoF is her safe harbor.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:58:15 GMT
I'm in a video game with limited dialogue that's often short hand for that. Stop dragging RL into this. So we're ignoring the Divine dialogue in addition to make your bi erasure point? Really? Also where are all these fans who think Leliana is straight? I haven't seen a one. I've come across non-DA fans IRL who played the game and had no clue that Leliana is supposed to be anything but straight. Actual DA fans know she's not straight because of DA:O. People who aren't can go the whole game without knowing. This isn't the same as not knowing about Cassandra being straight unless you flirt with her as a woman and get turned down. People are going to naturally assume Cassandra is straight simply because that is what most people think is the "default." EDIT: I'm disengaging. This conversation is too frustrating. Even after doing her conversations? I guess that whole beat the casual gamers over the head because they're too dense to pick up on anything subtle strategy wasn't as stupid as I thought it was. Agreed on the edit though.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:53:57 GMT
So we're ignoring the Divine dialogue in addition to make your bi erasure point? Really? Nothing about the Divine dialogue implies that either. Saying your relationship was complicated can be applied to nearly any kind of relationship. While I interpret it as more romantic, most people aren't going to. I'm not ignoring anything in your argument, just puzzling at the reaches you're making. She scoffs at because she was devoted to Leliana it equaled common love. Also where are you even getting the non-DA fan assuming Leliana's straight from? You mean like the reaches that Leliana's attraction to women is being erased in DAI or people assuming she's straight?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:48:24 GMT
In a video game? Uh yes that's kind of what it means. If can show me some examples elsewhere feel free. So someone saying that they see someone as a sibling means there can't be more than one reason they aren't attracted to them? That makes absolutely no sense, and most casual non-DA fans who play the games as a guy without having meta knowledge of Leliana's character aren't going to be assuming that means she's into women because she said that Josephine is like a sister to her. I'm in a video game with limited dialogue that's often short hand for that. Stop dragging RL into this. So we're ignoring the Divine dialogue in addition to make your bi erasure point? Really? Also where are all these fans who think Leliana is straight? I haven't seen a one.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:47:29 GMT
See, this is the problem I have with the concept of Asari because they'll ALWAYS fill in the spot as a bisexual woman character (along with the fact that they're characterised as hot alien space babes, but that's another can of worms). I suppose now that they have Vetra, it's not much of an issue now. But it seriously bugs me that as soon as you have an Asari on the squad, she's automatically a love interest by virtue of how her race is wired. If she's asexual or unromanceable, I would be surprised. But as soon as PeeBee was announced, no offence to those who like her, but I'm like "YAWN, predictable.". And colour me SHOCKEDTM if they dare create a counterpart to the Asari as these hot male green skinned eye candy alien species. That's the purpose of drell, actually. Also, what would you think of an asari who preferred women? I can't imagine they'd be nonexistent. I always found the complete lack of those to be freaking baffling. Surely there's asari that restrict themselves to their kind or human women. You'd think they'd be common if anything.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:45:20 GMT
If they answer in the effect of "No she's like my sister." it kind of does imply they're into that gender just not the individual. No, that doesn't. There's literally no indication that this means that. If I say someone is like my brother, then that doesn't mean I'm into men. What the fuck. In a video game? Uh yes that's kind of what it means. (in the context of someone asking if they're in a relationship) If can show me some examples elsewhere feel free. No one's saying what you're attracted to. Calm down.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:42:18 GMT
Also her being into women is implied by you asking if she was with a women in the first place why would she need to double down on confirming what the question already implies? As for Josephine commenting on Leliana's interested in women uh...did you see DAI Leliana? Why would that even come up unless it was a past relationship before she went all princess stabbity? (not to mention Josephine gossiping about people's personal affairs is entirely out of character). And since there's no chance for her to get into a relationship before then unless it's with the warden (male or female) it's a non starter. Because both of their relationships have to do with their personal stories (you know like how Marjoline was relevant in DAO and the Divine in DAI for Leliana). It's just the latter she wasn't in a romantic relationship with. There is no double standard in Leliana's case. Except that doesn't imply anything. If you ask a character if they're into another character of the opposite gender, that doesn't actually imply their sexuality. It only implies what you think their sexuality is. If they answer in the effect of "No she's like my sister." it kind of does imply they're into that gender just not the individual.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:40:14 GMT
When has Leliana answered in DA:I, "I'm into women; I just have no interest in Josephine/Divine Justinia/etc"? If they're not trying to hide it and the setting is totally fine with it, then why not say that? Or why not have a moment where, say, Josephine comments on Leliana's interest in women? Again, there is a double standard when Vivienne and Varric both have their own past relationships with the opposite gender mentioned, but Leliana's with the same gender aren't unless you import a certain worldsave. That's an issue. I kinda agree with Ryzaki here. Leliana doesn't need to go around saying "I'm bisexual" or "I like woman" so that there's no room for doubt. A simple "I like Josephine a lot, but only as friends", "My relationship with the divine wasn't sexual, it was... complicated" is enough to get the idea across. It's not hiding her sexuality, it's just making her dialogue sound natural. A good example of why subtlety is needed is the infamous trans character in Mass Effect Andromeda. Their conversation with Ryder literally comes across as: "Why did you come to Andomeda" "Because I used to be a man called Steven". Dialogue needs to be more subtle and natural than that. She kind of says the bolded. About how people assume because she was so devoted they had to be lovers but what she felt for Justina wasn't so common.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:37:32 GMT
Leliana's sexuality isn't hidden because you're not beaten over the head with it. And while I do agree about the double standard it does not apply with Leliana. You're comparing DAO (where there's no reason to hide one's sexuality unless they're noble) to where you could get harassed for answering said question truthfully. That doesn't seem a little off to you? When has Leliana answered in DA:I, "I'm into women; I just have no interest in Josephine/Divine Justinia/etc"? If they're not trying to hide it and the setting is totally fine with it, then why not say that? Or why not have a moment where, say, Josephine comments on Leliana's interest in women? Again, there is a double standard when Vivienne and Varric both have their own past relationships with the opposite gender mentioned, but Leliana's with the same gender Also her being into women is implied by you asking if she was with a women in the first place why would she need to double down on confirming what the question already implies? As for Josephine commenting on Leliana's interested in women uh...did you see DAI Leliana? Why would that even come up unless it was a past relationship before she went all princess stabbity? (not to mention Josephine gossiping about people's personal affairs is entirely out of character). And since there's no chance for her to get into a relationship before then unless it's with the warden (male or female) it's a non starter. Because both of their relationships have to do with their personal stories (you know like how Marjoline was relevant in DAO and the Divine in DAI for Leliana). It's just the latter she wasn't in a romantic relationship with. There is no double standard in Leliana's case.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:24:32 GMT
Yes because that's totes how straight women say they're not in a relationship with x women. Totally. And it's not. You're just asking because she didn't scream from the rooftops about how she was into women it's hidden. Would you say Liam's sexuality is hidden since he doesn't hit on the PC til she hits on him first nor any other female on the ship? After all you only know he's straight if he gets rejected by a male! Oh wait that's stupid. Straight people's sexualities are never hidden, though, so your argument makes no sense. There is an inherent double standard in how same gender attraction is portrayed versus opposite gender attraction. And I've been asked before if I was involved with a male friend. Just because I don't say it's because I'm a lesbian doesn't mean I'm any less a lesbian. Leliana's sexuality isn't hidden because you're not beaten over the head with it. And while I do agree about the double standard it does not apply with Leliana. It's not like she admits to attraction of males and doesn't mention females until the PC is involved. You're comparing DAO (where there's no reason to hide one's sexuality unless they're noble) to where you could get harassed for answering said question truthfully. That doesn't seem a little off to you?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:19:22 GMT
If she was straight she (like everyone else in DAI) would've said so. There's no reason to think "Oh clearly she's straight since she says Josie is like a sister to her." and her reaction to the Divine is to go "it wasn't as common as mere love." it's absolutely reaching. We're just gonna ignore the fact that Leliana was going through a personal crisis then eh? Fuck characterization as long as they reach their quota of saying who they're attracted too? What are you even talking about? I'm not saying she was straight. I'm saying that she was written in a way that she could easily be assumed to be straight if you have no meta knowledge of her character. And people can go through personal crises without their sexualities being hidden in the narrative. Yes because that's totes how straight women say they're not in a relationship with x women. Totally. And it's not. You're just asking because she didn't scream from the rooftops about how she was into women it's hidden. Would you say Liam's sexuality is hidden since he doesn't hit on the PC til she hits on him first nor any other female on the ship? After all you only know he's straight if he gets rejected by a male! Oh wait that's stupid.
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