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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:15:36 GMT
That's not characterization fault. A bi character isn't supposed to run around screaming "oh I'm bi." all the goddamn time regardless of relevance. Zevran who was flirty and not going through the shit Leliana was hits on both genders of Hawke in DA2. Not to mention you can straight up ask if Leliana was involved in both the Divine (no it wasn't as simple as that) or Josephine (who is all light she was a sister to me). Leliana's bisexuality isn't hidden it's just not smashing you in the face. It absolutely is an awful example. People can ask straight people if they were involved with same-gender friends. People can ask gay people if they were involved with opposite-gender friends. Them saying they haven't isn't indicative that they're actually bisexual. My issue is that you have characters like Varric or Vivienne who are unromanceable but are only portrayed as having opposite gender attraction explicitly. Then, in the same game, you have Leliana, who the only time she is shown to have same gender attraction and relationships is if you imported a world save where a Female Warden romanced her. If she was straight she (like everyone else in DAI) would've said so. There's no reason to think "Oh clearly she's straight since she says Josie is like a sister to her." and her reaction to the Divine is to go "it wasn't as common as mere love." it's absolutely reaching. We're just gonna ignore the fact that Leliana was going through a personal crisis then eh? Fuck characterization as long as they reach their quota of saying who they're attracted too?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:09:25 GMT
Leliana doesn't indicate an attraction to ANYONE in DAI she has more important shit to do. What an awful example. It's not an awful example. If a character shows neither any opposite gender attraction or same gender attraction, people will assume the former because it is considered default. People will not assume the latter unless they are also gay/bi. That's not characterization fault. A bi character isn't supposed to run around screaming "oh I'm bi." all the goddamn time regardless of relevance. Zevran who was flirty and not going through the shit Leliana was hits on both genders of Hawke in DA2. Not to mention you can straight up ask if Leliana was involved in both the Divine (no it wasn't as simple as that) or Josephine (who is all light she was a sister to me). Leliana's bisexuality isn't hidden it's just not smashing you in the face. It absolutely is an awful example.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 15:05:25 GMT
Instead of looking at sexuality, I would rather look at how many people have access to which romance, which literally what bisexual means in Bioware games, Bisexuals in Bioware games are not bisexual, they're playersexual. Their bisexuals are usually just straight but just modded they content so the same sex can have access to it also, which indicated by the contents where they only talk about females like Kaidan, Reyes, Zevran, etc, or how contents optimized for straights like Kaidan or Reyes. It's basically the same as the females but just less contents. They have never made with a gay guy in mind, so you can't really call them bisexuals if it's one-sided created from the ground up from straight. Their sexuality isn't even authentic, which I have already stated, they can change at a whim from either lack of time like Cullen, fall under a trope like Solas, or difficult to program like Iron Bull which was gonna be race gated not because it makes sense or his preference but because of technical issues. I hate that they tend to treat bisexuality like that. I wish that bisexual characters could be more than just "straight romances with a gay option that gets awkward when there's a line/scene/moment that indicates this was intended for the opposite gender." When it comes to unromanceable bisexual characters, like Leliana in DA:I, they don't even indicate any attraction to the same gender unless romanced in a previous game. IDK I just want more important LGBT characters, including bisexual characters, with same gender attraction not treated as an afterthought. There are exceptions, but those tend to be by a minority of writers pushing for said content. Leliana doesn't indicate an attraction to ANYONE in DAI she has more important shit to do. What an awful example. And Zevran hits on both male and female Hawke.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 14:53:43 GMT
My biggest concern is this: If the devs were (I find it very, very unlikely) to announce that they are going to reinstate, patch, or "fix" Jaal, basically, allow Scott to romance Jaal, while for the most part this would please a lot of gay and bi male fans, it could just as easily anger a lot of others, like anti-SJWs who wouldn't want anymore gay in their game, and some straight women who like us and others on Twitter could add their voice and outcry to the issue. It is bound to happen. They have put themselves in a corner where there is really no win win situation in regards to Jaal, which is why, sadly, I think they should just leave him be. If I felt more people generally would be fine and accepting of bi Jaal, then I'd press for it to happen, but I knew a lot of folks wouldn't want it, and another controversy with the game is just not needed. If I ever play the game, my opinions on Jaal might change. I've watched some stuff on YouTube, so I can't really comment validly, and its genuinely not bitterness talking, but he seems like a really inconsistent character. The whole angara and their writing are a bit of a mess really. I have to say I'm disappointed by what I've seen. If I do play I hope to warm to him via actual interactions. Its just my first impressions. The writing in this game in general is a mess. He's really not an exception. It's like a whole bunch of people were writing and didn't even bother to compare notes and all threw it in.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 14:52:20 GMT
Pretty much every single bi male LI is like that. I think Bull and Zevran are the only exceptions. Bull isn't even a total exception - he'll get together with Dorian, but any time he talks about casual sex, he talks about women. So... why is it Jaal can't be bi if he acts exactly like every bisexual guy in the series thus far? That's the obvious question. True but he does flirt with Dorian from the jump so at least it's pretty clear he's interested in both. (not to mention the only people he talks about sleeping with are the maids) But yeah I agreew ith you that's not a good justification for Jaal not being bi. (
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 14:47:58 GMT
Yeah that's my only problem with Jaal. ...Okay, except the other character we're talking about, the character who did the exact same thing, was canon bisexual. So your argument doesn't actually work at all. Pretty much every single bi male LI is like that. I think Bull and Zevran are the only exceptions (and Zevran spends most of his time flirting with females).
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 14:39:09 GMT
![:huh:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/MpaFjtwKhHtjDCSZozd0.png) While I don't mind bi Liam (he really could use the fans the poor guy) he's as written to be bi as Jaal is (if not significantly less so) so like what? Liam specifically mentioned "no homo", while Jaal is literally lacking any romance option, he's so hetero that gay Scott doesn't even hit on him. Even if Jaal was made bi, it wouldn't be any more out of character than Anders or Kaidan or even Cullen which they ran out of time to implement. Oh good point I forgot about the glad I'm universal line.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 14:34:44 GMT
Because they wrote him as straight. If he was planned to be bi at some point in development (which wouldn't be surprising at all considering the datamining) they decided that he shouldn't be an option for male players, for some reason. And obviously they didn't hint at it in the game, at all. In fact they made him as straight as possible. They could have (and should have considering the lack of m/m in the squad and m/m alien options in all ME games) easily written him as bi, and it would make a lot of sense for balancing reasons AND the fact that he's a new race. If he was written as bi, it would have made no difference on his personality and character. Exactly. The bi lines as ladyinsanity said were just something they have actors do, but the fact is, he's straight and nothing bi was cut expect 1 line, which was just in case they changed their mind. At first because of the datamining I thought something had to be in the game to show he was bi first, then made straight, but no. He was always straight and bi was an afterthought.
Just 1 squadmate would have been fine. Liam I think would have been perfect as bi tbh, but the bi squadmates are only aliens and PeeBee doesn't even count. ![:huh:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/MpaFjtwKhHtjDCSZozd0.png) While I don't mind bi Liam (he really could use the fans the poor guy) he's as written to be bi as Jaal is (if not significantly less so) so like what?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 13:26:54 GMT
That said I don't get the complaints about kiss and ftb. Liam had the same thing and it worked just fine (just the animation was wonky) it works just fine. The issue's more that every orientation has at least one non fade-to-black scene apart from gay m!Ryders. Ah that's fair. I kind of wish they had wasted those animation resources elsewhere.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 13:12:26 GMT
That said I don't get the complaints about kiss and ftb. Liam had the same thing and it worked just fine (just the animation was wonky) it works just fine.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 12:59:54 GMT
No longer upset that Liam is straight. Is it just me or is his voice actors delivery usually kind of monotone. His voice doesn't seem to convey emotions really well. He sounds fine to me.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 5:34:26 GMT
I've never been more attracted to you rn. hay gurl hay :kiss: ![](http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Silly-Girl-Wink-Gif.gif) ...his lm had nothing to do with establishing outposts I can't.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 23, 2017 1:45:29 GMT
Okay doing LIam's romance since I pissed Jaal off lul. Liam is adorable. Also I swear I've had more conversations with him with his damn shirt off than anything. He's so sweet and normal I can't. ![<3](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/bYmUqWGYNIhNE0GJanhP.png) And the night after he's all nervous but sane and I just love everything so far. (That said it looked more like she was having a vamp moment and going for that neck than kissing him during that scene)
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 22, 2017 19:29:40 GMT
lol yeah it's mentioned in the game. He compliments all the ladies but his intent isn't to start a relationship with them. He's actually unaware of the cause of his actions. Only when you romance him, does he give you his undivided attention and makes his intentions very very clear. Okay that's still a bit eyebrow raising though. He's quite controversial. Maybe he thinks that, um, it's okay to call somebody sister and hit on her afterwards? Same thing happened with Vetra - "I like you, your body, blah-blah" and then "I understand you like a relative would do, you're like a sister to me". Mmmaybe that's angara way of flirting, considering that family is a big business for them? That's still pretty weird. But I guess if you look at it as him giving weird sounding compliments then sure.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 22, 2017 18:53:39 GMT
Okay Jaal hitting on Cora is now confusing the shit out of me.
I've taken them to ice planet and he's saying she's like a sister to him. So like what Angara dig incest or something?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 22, 2017 11:06:36 GMT
I remember when I found out my female Sith Warrior couldn't romance Vette at all. (The Old Republic MMO) I also experienced the designated hetero LI and let's just say that getting betrayed and nearly killed isn't my cup of tea. I went as full dark side as I could after that. She was the coldest and most sexually frustrated Sith in the galaxy. Quinn is my baby D: (Also getting betrayed and nearly killed is pretty much tea time for Sith so it's really easy for me to brush it off.) I do love how I could play her like that too. "Oh yet another person thinks I'm an idiot with an obvious betrayal. It's a day that ends in y."
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 22, 2017 11:03:45 GMT
Yeah I'm not even sure why that's in there. Like god forbid Shep be single (or have romanced Thane/Jacob). Otherwise yay hear have this drunken sex because those are just great! (Also the fact that this would never happen to dude Shep was the cherry ontop).
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 22, 2017 7:56:04 GMT
Eh I'm playing and Jaal really doesn't feel written to be straight. Honestly he feels like a bi BW LI with a female slant ala usual. *shrug* Evening Ry. Coffee? ![<3](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/bYmUqWGYNIhNE0GJanhP.png) alas I must sleep and coffee would do the opposite of that. (Should've been in bed hours ago honestly yay for days off).
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 22, 2017 7:54:21 GMT
Eh I'm playing and Jaal really doesn't feel written to be straight. Honestly he feels like a bi BW LI with a female slant ala usual. *shrug*
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 22, 2017 2:07:53 GMT
Let me get this straight... (pun semi-intended) In Mass Effect: Andromeda... A videogame game were the entire premise is the colonization of a new galaxy... You'd consider the story of forming a family and making babies to be "drama" or a "gay issue"? Because that'd be a truly fascinating thought process, if anything, Gil's story is the most vanilla thing you can possibly create in ME:A's setting. You'd think with faster than light space ships and all that jazz that the world of Mass Effect could develop maturation chambers to use as artificial wombs negating the need for surrogate pregnancies. Really doesn't make any sense that it wouldn't exist. Especially for military mothers. On another note. Auto correct is the devil. I typed a IM saying Hi and it was autocorrected to Ho. Why autocorrect? Why? Now I look like a douchebag.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 22, 2017 0:55:48 GMT
That's fandom not canon. Blame the fanfic writers for that one. I am????? Oh my bad then. XD I thought you meant that's how he was treated in game.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 22, 2017 0:51:43 GMT
Hey, how is everyone rn? Salty. ![](https://pp.userapi.com/c622125/v622125647/4a47e/a4mi2kMuS2k.jpg) Back to my Mercymaining, need to show off that golden no-aim skill. A fellow mercy main ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png) (though I can't shoot for shit XD)
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 22, 2017 0:46:34 GMT
Eh, I think society as a whole needs to get more chill regarding sexualisation. I sexualise other men, why shouldn't straight/bi men get to sexualise women and straight/bi women also get to sexualise men and, by extension, gay men (and so on and so forth)? I cannot even tell you how much entertainment women sexualising gay men have brought me in the form of slash fan fiction and fan art. When most gay erotica is written by women for women, and absolutely no one raises a stink about it, there's a problem. Especially since the lesbian porn industry is always criticized for being marketed towards men. But it goes beyond that, for instance, Dorian being treated as nothing but a sassy gay bff who the fem!Inquis can talk about how hawt Cullen is. If this doesn't bother you, great, it bothers me though. That's fandom not canon. Blame the fanfic writers for that one.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 22, 2017 0:30:40 GMT
lesbian women get the same treatment tho, if one of them isn't butch. And on much bigger scale as well. There's definitely more straight men into lesbian porn than straight women into gay porn. Women period get that treatment more often then men. Male gaze is a unforgiving mistress.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 21, 2017 23:59:31 GMT
Fabrice Condominas @faburisuNo one knows Andromeda's butts better than @autumnbreezed She spent hours, days, weeks making sure they could shake and move properly. bsn.boards.net/post/420150 Maybe they should've put that effort towards faces instead of asses. ![-_-](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/Rh0UqCnVLZpmAoqecEDT.png)
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