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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 1, 2017 22:00:05 GMT
While you are annoyingly correct, I think after two games of zero gay romances, and three games of zero gay/bi male alien romances, they'd want to give a little variety to us. Well, if it turns out that the only m/m options are two human males, one a crewman and the other off world, then yeah, I will blame the writers to a certain extent, unless I know for certain they were writing with a gun to their head. We can't blame the devs for the marketing fallout but we can and should blame them for stepping back on promises of diversity and rolling back progress made in previous games. Still, the overtly hetero leaning milking of the hashtag #goodbanging while ignoring concerns of other fans is not a good look.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 1, 2017 17:06:46 GMT
Wasn't it confirmed that we could flirt with everyone regardless of gender or sexuality? Yup, and, according to an interview with Taylorson, there are scenes where you can be rejected for your gender. I swear, if there's more effort put into "no homo" scenes than actual "homo" scenes. The rejections I have no problem with. The potential lack of diverse options is grating on my brain.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 1, 2017 17:00:57 GMT
Wasn't it confirmed that we could flirt with everyone regardless of gender or sexuality?
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 1, 2017 16:58:02 GMT
My Lavellan kept hers. While the truth was painful and she was at this point committed to the Inquisition she is still Dalish and committed to The People. The Vallaslin is part of who she is. And in a certain irony in my case the Vallaslin markings were for Mythal. Lavellan shouldn't have to change for no man and of course was pissed that Solas dumped her after refusing to let him alter her face. Keeping the markings(Mythal), drinking from Vir'abelasan and falling for The Dread Wolf is all so poetic.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 1, 2017 16:37:18 GMT
I think a video or brief scene with the Margaery and Renly Baratheon reunited would generate at least some interest, so I don't understand why BW didn't do one. It's also a waste to use the actor of that HBO show but don't reveal his character, like, what was the point of that? The video by itself is funny to ME fans, but when you don't have a connection to the character he's voicing, it's utterly pointless. Their marketing have been odd af. I agree and it's already causing problems. Why not have both actors who portrayed beloved characters in a wildly successful series flaunt both of their new characters for another beloved series and address Some(emphasis) concern from a vocal fan base about m/m romances? Instead we have long time fans freaked out and feeling neglected and a breach (pun intended) growing between us and the devs. I'm not fond of how Dormer is being treated by marketing or some fans either. She is an actor and her talents should not be reduced to everything physical. While sex appeal is a factor it is quite possible she was brought into the project because of her work and not unsubstantial skill, not unlike other actors from Game of Thrones and other popular media. It is quite possible that her character, Dr.Lexi, brings more to the table than a sexy voice.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 1, 2017 1:09:52 GMT
I hope the word "loyalty" is justified in some way. I understand you need "loyalty" to go to a suicide mission, but to find a place to live...? And do I want an idiot to be loyal to me? Because luring a pathfinder into an escape pod and crashing it on a planet with no certainty of going back to my ship was not the smartest move to inspire my loyalty. Come to think of it... It reminds me how dumb Aria's plan was in Omega, crashing into Omega by sacrificing ships... It's pretty much the same idea: a careless asari forces you to do something her way by crashing an escape pod where she wants, with no waranty it will pay off. In Defense of Aria, her plan was not to sacrifice ships for no reason. HER ship was armed with technology that would have disabled Omega's defenses. It didn't work out because she was outmaneuvered.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 1, 2017 0:06:45 GMT
I interpreted that line as 'I wouldn't lie to you' which he didn't in terms of their romance. He didn't seduce Lavellan to gain access to greater power within the Inquisition or to further his own goals. He genially cared for her. Lavellan's line 'And so he did...' suggest strongly TO ME that they did indeed lay together. As I said, this was left intentionally ambiguous. In my opinion the deed was implied. Yeah it's how we chose to play it. But in the end it was good they left it that way. Then we can all be happy with how we imagined it. Well, I'm sort of biased. I really wanted this to happen: 38.media.tumblr.com/cd1fa01323f26f50cacda7eed1f4dfda/tumblr_nj3is1yBF51ronfjdo1_r1_500.gif
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 1, 2017 0:00:43 GMT
All of the love interest in DA2 are, now at least after the decision to move away from player seuality, are canonically bisexual. In the cases of Anders and Isabella this was established before DA2. Anders is more unique on that front as he expressed interest in women in Awakenings it was not until DA2 that an interest in men was established. He wasn't a blank slate like Merrill who also appeared in Origins. Which sucks. Why does that suck? I'm very glad that there are several bisexual characters in the series.
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 28, 2017 23:57:37 GMT
I've read that the devs left this open to interpretation. From MY perspective it was obvious that the deed was being done behind the scenes. Someone, or Solas himself, made a comment about the two of them in bed, during romance dialog or banter which I took as not so subtle confirmation of that front. Solas said he would not sleep with her under false pretenses, so it can easily be seen as either. I saw it as they hadn't, but that's just me. I never heard of any other hint, though a romanced Bull with Cole and Solas banter is priceless! I interpreted that line as 'I wouldn't lie to you' which he didn't in terms of their romance. He didn't seduce Lavellan to gain access to greater power within the Inquisition or to further his own goals. He genially cared for her. Lavellan's line 'And so he did...' suggest strongly TO ME that they did indeed lay together. As I said, this was left intentionally ambiguous. In my opinion the deed was implied.
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 28, 2017 22:25:55 GMT
Honestly, I feel like playersexual romances were best because there was simply no concern about whether you could or couldn't romance someone. You just picked which among them you connected with best, and that was all you needed to do. I get that it's not "realistic" in terms of characters or development, but then remember how people flew into a rage over a mod that let people romance Dorian as a girl? Yeah, that was dumb. The rage, not the mod. (And before anyone tries to call me out, yes, I am a dude, who's gay) One of the problems I have with player-sexuality is inconsistency in sexual orientations. Like in DA2, if you play a female Hawke who romances Anders, you wouldn't know that Karl and him were in relationship. Meanwhile if you play a male Hawke, Anders would tell you that. It's like Schrodinger's sexuality: straight if PC is female, bi if PC is male. I prefer all-bi approach, where the characters are bi, regardless of PC's gender. All of the love interest in DA2 are, now at least after the decision to move away from player sexuality, are canonically bisexual. In the cases of Anders and Isabella this was established before DA2. Anders is more unique on that front as he expressed interest in women in Awakenings it was not until DA2 that an interest in men was established. He wasn't a blank slate like Merrill who also appeared in Origins. Edit: All love interest with the exception of Sebastian.
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 28, 2017 22:20:00 GMT
It wasnt asexual, but there was no sex - ever. If you make a comment about it in trespasser Solas reminds you that it never happened because "I would never lay with you under false pretences". My comparison was related to how sex does not make the romance, but the connection and respect between the characters do. As for the arm and world - Anders is starting to look pretty good now lol I've read that the devs left this open to interpretation. From MY perspective it was obvious that the deed was being done behind the scenes. Someone, or Solas himself, made a comment about the two of them in bed, during romance dialog or banter which I took as not so subtle confirmation of that front.
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 28, 2017 22:12:39 GMT
While I'm sure the Gil and potentially Reyes romances will be up to par it still DOES NOT make it alright that m/m romances are(hopefully not) relegated to side characters. Nor will it excuse the way inquiries into the topic were handled. This is problematic and I thought better of Bioware. ...but they've only really revealed one romance option so far and that was via a trailer (Cora) >.> There are leaks that allege a lack of m/m romance options in the Squad and that it was an intentional decision by the team.
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 28, 2017 4:56:03 GMT
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 28, 2017 4:39:13 GMT
I'm not pleased. If it's true that gay guys don't get an LI squad mate, like some have been saying, that will be incredibly upsetting. Every orientation should be allowed to have at LEAST one romance option that is in your squad. PERIOD. A token gay crew member romance just feels patronizing. A thousand times THIS! Should this be true it would be a giant step backwards.
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 28, 2017 4:31:45 GMT
Suvi is a new one to me based on the articles I was given to read. But you must work on relationships in this game and earn trust and form friendships with the serious ones, so if she's a bit tough, she's probably not a fling. However if Kallo is anything, it will be innocent, totally asexual and an even tamer version of Josie's romance imo. Not necessarily. Think of Solas' romance. He had the least romance cut scenes and content of any character, was at no point physical and was the only character you could romance, that you could not "kiss at will". Yet his was one of the most deep felt in away and became a very popular romance even so. I imagine that Kallo could be along the same line, where its a deep respect and friendship that develops into something deeper and more profound. And let us not confuse the lack of sexual interaction with a lack of emotions. Mordin seemed to care for his nephew and felt deep regret and was very focused on helping others (even with his questionable motives ). So I don't think it will necessarily be tame. Solas' romance was added last minute. I don't think it was an asexual romance as banter implied sex was happening behind the scenes. The actual 'scene' however was ultimately unneeded as the romance was one of my favorites as well. ... ... ...Up until he dumped me... ... ... And came back years later and TOOK MY ARM!!! AND PROMISED TO DESTROY THE WORLD I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN!!!! i.makeagif.com/media/5-09-2015/rz4Hc0.gifmrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Puny-God-Hulk-Gif-On-The-Avengers.gif
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 28, 2017 4:17:27 GMT
While I'm sure the Gil and potentially Reyes romances will be up to par it still DOES NOT make it alright that m/m romances are(hopefully not) relegated to side characters. Nor will it excuse the way inquiries into the topic were handled. This is problematic and I thought better of Bioware.
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 28, 2017 0:11:20 GMT
Also somewhat romance related; a purely lesbian asari makes a ton more sense than the bi-as-standard that we keep getting. They lived on their home planet for thousands of years with no dick-bearing sentients. You'd think the majority would be like 'WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING? IT'S LIKE A MALE PYJACKS!' Bi or even straight asari who grew up in a multicultural colony, sure, but Thessia raised? Hmm. I think that Asari sexuality is more complicated than we think. While I agree that Asari being auto attracted to a gender that normally doesn't exist to them is odd it makes sense in a way. Asari do not reproduce sexually. There is no exchange of physical DNA so then it makes sense that Asari, who could potentially reproduce with anyone, would be attracted to traits beyond the physical to greater degrees than humans or other binary species are.
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 27, 2017 23:21:59 GMT
So in regard to romances what are people thoughts when it comes to permanent relationship failure decisions on the players part. I'm talking about whether there should be a point of no return when you make a decision so against the IL's beliefs that they break up with no apologizes allowed. Like for instance Dorian breaking up with the Inquisitor when he discovers you killed Ponchard to get his family amulet. Should that be a thing or should they be more like Josephine's where I'm pretty sure its impossible to fail once you get going. Yes. This should remain a thing. All of the characters should be individuals and not bend to our will no matter what. I have heard that characters in ME:A will react to Ryder's dialog and decisions and form their own impressions, meaning that not all of us will be friends and that we will have hard choices to make between Squad Mates. This is a great improvement from the original Trilogy where your Squad seemed to like you no matter what you did, with the exception of ME2's loyalty missions.
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 27, 2017 23:06:47 GMT
It's same as with Skyrim really (and some other games like Saint Row 4). Although you can romance/marry all options with both genders it's game mechanic that feels pretty shoehorned in when rest of the world building doesn't support it. Everybody seems straight in these games, you don't really see gay couples and same-sex attraction, but for some reasons NPCs are into you no matter your gender. I remember someone saying that it's little better with FO4 though, that some companions show same sex interest outside of PC? I don't remember encountering any cases like that myself though. So in that sense Bioware is lot better, making the actual world more diverse. Especially DAI team, not saying that there wouldn't be improvements to make though. But then they also lack romance mechanic of making all available. I don't personally see playersexuality as something Bioware should go for at all, but if major LIs were bisexuals I wouldn't be against that at all. Yeah exactly. I absolutely agree about Skyrim and Saint Row 4. I've had a great time with both games, but in this regard... meh. As for F4, hmm... I just finished a pt a few weeks ago... but I can't remember noticing any kind of ss interest from any character. Well I was mostly paying attention to male characters so I might have missed one of the female companions showing some ss interest. From a cynical point of view, it can be seen as a way to grab some good will from the lgbt community and its allies, while at the same time making sure not to upset the delicate snowflakes who complain about "icky" stuff like gay characters (male or female), female leads, cast diversity, racial diversity, etc etc. You know, the usual "greatest hits" I'm really hoping this is not what Bioware is doing. This is why I'm so upset and bitter at the moment, with the info we are getting from leaks on one side and the COMPLETE LACK of info from Bioware regarding very specific content, on the other side. And yeah, regarding "playersexual" lis, I've argued for it. It's not the best mechanic, but it would just mean that people would actually get options. It just seems like it would be a decent trade off, at least until things get a little better and we can put behind us all this nonsense with hiding/censoring gay content. Yes it's a cheap way of doing things, but my main argument for it, is that it would be easier to headcannon character X being gay, while you're getting it on with them in game (as in having cutscenes and etc), as opposed to doing the same thing when the option does not exist in game. I agree but I would argue against player sexual romances. As others on here have said love interests being player sexual takes the wide rainbow of human sexuality and reduces it to a gray smudge. Representation and sexual diversity should take precedence over we as individuals getting to romance whoever we want. The reality is that we can't romance whoever we want for reason not limited to sexuality. In my opinion this approach adds realism and depth which is what I look for in character and story driven games. The race-gating in Inquisition added depth and world building elements and enhanced the experience and replay value. When it comes to the issue of Bioware I concur. The silence on their part is deafening and damning should the rumors be true. This is a problem but I don't think player sexual implementation would solve it. The problem is the corrosion of sexual diversity within the main cast. It doesn't matter to me if I don't get to romance the specific character I want as long as m/m, f/f, etc are represented fairly. If that turns out not to be the case then Bioware is in need of a good dragging.
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 27, 2017 8:49:55 GMT
I'm truly not against game balance in general--I'm simply opposed to it as being such a focus that we can't at all have mages be glass cannons any more, and we forget to worry about what is actually fun for people. Mages are supposed to be glass cannons; that's what the holy trinity is supposed to be all about. If I am a mage, but I go out into the world and I don't feel like I'm doing a fraction of the damage my double-dagger rogue is or that I'm really any more scary than my warrior with his AOE great-axe, well... I don't feel like I'm playing Dragon Age anymore. I feel like I'm playing Every Fantasy Game Ever. If it's so huge a concern, though, I'm still in favor of a "Lore" difficulty setting. Not casual, but lore-friendly, where the details are build around immersion and the universe rather than perfect game balance. I realize that would be difficult, but I could also live with a better healing system which doesn't suddenly restrict all healing to potions or a KE focus resurrection ability for some reason. I just hated the healing system in DAI so much. What was so evil about healing that it can't possibly be included anymore? As I mentioned above, there are plenty of ways to limit it as much as they limited potions, but without killing off roleplay choices and at the same time making the game more immersive and organic. I completely agree. DA:I Magic in general was *Disgusted Noise*. For serious where was the Blood Magic, Keeper Magic (We Finally Get To Play As An Actual Keeper!). Lore-wise, Mages in DA:I were a massive disappointment.
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 27, 2017 8:37:17 GMT
NG+ REALLY needs to be incorporated into the Dragon Age series. Looking at YOU Tevinter!
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 27, 2017 8:27:03 GMT
While it may be that their 'roles' are reversed on the surface, Pelessaria is still an actual Asari and Cora is still a human that has just happened to train with Asari Commandos. Pelessaria still has around 100 years on the rest of the crew excluding Drack and Cora, while no doubt skilled, will never have the Biotic aptitude and power of actual Asari nor will she have centuries to perfect her skills. I don't think the game will ignore these and other nuances as the story progresses.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 27, 2017 8:15:27 GMT
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KalleDemos
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Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, Mass Effect Andromeda
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February 2017
kalledemos
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 27, 2017 8:05:10 GMT
New updated speculation: Straight BroRyder: Cora Straight Sara: Liam, Jaal Both: PeeBee, Vetra Gay BroRyder: Reyes, Gil Lesbian Sara: Suvi Asexual either: Kallo Getting the feeling Lexi will be down for neither. I can see them pushing LexiXDrack. I would not be ok with this if it's true. I share the same sentiment that others have over the last few days: the complete absence of m/m romance options in the main Squad is insulting and a huge step back for Bioware. Especially considering the success of Dragon Age: Inquisition and popularity of characters like Baeorian. Do not mistake me, the fact that there are m/m romances at all is not nothing but the fact that our options were (potentially) relegated to side characters tells us that we were an after thought while in contrast m/f Ryder (potentially) has all three /f options. Not cool at all.
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KalleDemos
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Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 164 Likes: 474
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kalledemos
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 27, 2017 7:34:56 GMT
The Staff of Corruption. Was my favorite in DA2 as well. I hope it returns in DA4. Interesting! I can't remember the name of any DA2 staves. By contrast, the ones in DAO are more memorable if for no other reason than there are so few really good ones. In DA2 it had a different name: The Staff of Violation. It belonged to Orsino and was only available during the end after his death. Unless of course you use the console commands on PC which I do so I have the staff from the beginning of every playthrough. The DA2 version had a chance to infect enemies with Walking Bomb. To duplicate this in Inquisition you have to craft the staff with a specific and rare material that I forget it's name.
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