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Post by miso9 on Mar 17, 2017 15:30:26 GMT
I agree, it would be realistic, just as it would be realistic to actually discuss that you're gay/into women only with a woman you're in love with. Till now it NEVER happened in any of Bioware's lesbian romances. Those expositions serve specific purpose - setting those characters as gay or straight and therefore also providing representation. No exposition that Suvi likes women = players have no idea she's anything but straight. I agree with you there. I personally would rather see her sexuality brought up in context of her relationship with Sara instead of her rejection of Scott. Hopefully we'll get to see that during the romance. That's what I look for. I hope that it was deliberate decision making sense considering her characterization and somewhere in her dialogue lines there is anything that indicate she's gay, because if not -- and her romance is just written with neutral language that could be directed to a man as well -- then I will definitely ask the devs about it.
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Post by miso9 on Mar 17, 2017 14:32:58 GMT
Wanted to clarify, I didn't mean labels when I wrote about Suvi not stating she's a lesbian. I just meant letting player know she's only into women. The same way Liam makes you know he's only interested in women and not into men. And vice versa with Cora and Gil. Labels could no longer be in use, but what they represented as seen in those 3 characters is still there. It's possible that they might not have always conceptualized her as a lesbian, which could explain the ambiguity in the rejection. That said, I doubt they're going to, at this stage, decide "well, uh, you know what, next game she's going to be bi rather than lesbian." If they do decide that, then I'll be the first to get out the pitchforks. Otherwise, though, I think we're safe. If Ryder gets a sequel to star in, then there's at least three m/f romances for Male Ryder, plus whatever new ones they add for him in the sequel. Considering how many options that is, there's no way for the straight male fanbase to react so strongly that they've been shafted for Bioware to change Suvi's sexuality. That's possible, I thought about it too. That they originally intended for her to be a bisexual romantic interest, but later in development someone realized that they would get a lot of criticism if no woman on ship could resist Scott, so they just decided to 'gender lock' her for Sara, but didn't have time to change dialogues. I'm not sure if it's much better.
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Post by miso9 on Mar 17, 2017 14:21:26 GMT
I likely wouldn't go into the specifics of my sexuality with some dude I just met who's hitting on me. You don't know if he'd be a creep about it or whatever. Just brush him off and hope he takes the hint. In that sense, I think it's realistic. But, as far as why her scene is different from the other rejections (from a writing perspective), idk. I think some of those rejections were kinda awkward myself so it just could be a preference of the writer. I agree, it would be realistic, just as it would be realistic to actually discuss that you're gay/into women only with a woman you're in love with. Till now it NEVER happened in any of Bioware's lesbian romances. Those expositions serve specific purpose - setting those characters as gay or straight and therefore also providing representation. No exposition that Suvi likes women = players have no idea she's anything but straight.
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Post by miso9 on Mar 17, 2017 14:03:46 GMT
I come back I just cannot resist this topic, also I think Suvi reaction is more about her personality than anything else. Sera was clearly advertise as a Lesbian from the get-go. Maybe not so much personality as the implication that the ME universe is afraid of using words like "gay" or "lesbian," maybe with the assumption that we no longer need those labels in the future. In the DA franchise, it's a whole different universe, so I cut them some slack there. Meanwhile, the ME setting presumably takes place in our universe, just in the future. Besides, it's hard not to consider the usage or lack thereof of words like that in regards to ME's target demographic. Wanted to clarify, I didn't mean labels when I wrote about Suvi not stating she's a lesbian. I just meant letting player know she's only into women. The same way Liam makes you know he's only interested in women and not into men. And vice versa with Cora and Gil. Labels could no longer be in use, but what they represented as seen in those 3 characters is still there.
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Post by miso9 on Mar 17, 2017 13:48:25 GMT
I know she's exclusive f/f romance option, I just pointed out that unlike every other exclusive romance option she never states her sexuality and I wonder why is it so. Maybe it is in her character arc that she's in closet, her dialogues will tell. But if she actually never lets you know she's a lesbian then it's definitely not simple dev's omission considering that they remembered to make it very loud and clear that Liam and Cora are 100% straight and Gil 100% gay. This is the ME universe, I very much doubt we'll have a character in the closet here. That is just typical VA baiting, false hope, to build hype. She's not the first VA nor will she be the last to do this. It's annoying, I've seen plenty of this over the years. And this is a Sheryl Chee character, she has absolutely no problems writing queer women. She's the best at it imo. Then the first question stands -- if she's out and proud lesbian why didn't she tell Scott who tried to hit on her that she's not into men and instead just gave some vague response about "keeping it professional", so the player will have NO IDEA she's supposed to be gay? Like I said time will tell. I live in Europe so I will get the access to the game much later, by that time I hope it will be already known if for real there's nothing in her character arc indicating she's a lesbian, in which case devs will have some questions to answer.
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Post by miso9 on Mar 17, 2017 13:20:57 GMT
First of all, hi to everyone, I used to discuss on old BSN mainly the subject of female same-sex romances and I see some familiar nicknames here. Second of all, speaking of that video, there's something about this rejection that bothers me a lot. Every other exclusive LI – Liam, Cora and Gil – when flirted with by Ryder of the wrong gender tells you right away that they're not interested specifically because you're a man/woman. So at the same time it's an exposure of their sexuality, that they're exclusively gay or straight. It's different for Suvi. She understands that Scott tried to hit on her, but instead of "sorry, not into men" like Liam she just tells you she prefers to keep it professional. So devs de facto decided to hide that she's a lesbian. Unless it's revealed later – which I doubt since male Ryder apparently has no flirt options whatsoever after the first one – then male players who don't read forums etc. would have no idea she's anything but straight at all. The fact that her response was treated for so long as some big secret also makes it look really shady. Now the question is if her romance arc has anything that implies she's a lesbian (instead of just happening to love "a person" - our character who just happens to be a woman). I watched enough TV shows to know that until it's stated nothing is set in stone. IIRC Andromeda is supposed to be the first game in another trilogy, so those characters will come back. If it's never clear cut set that Suvi likes only women there will always be possibility to pull Kaidan on her if straight male players are loud enough. After all it's not like keeping it vague would be an accident when all the other 3 exclusive romance interests are very clear about being 100% straight or gay, so devs would single her out definitely for a reason. And BTW, if that's really the case – that Suvi has no dialogue that indicates she likes only women – then maybe her voice actress wasn't actually baiting male players on Twitter. If nothing she was given to read implied her character is a lesbian, she could genuinely have no idea about such "rumors".She is our lesbian crewmate, the files have been datamined. People here have already played some of the early access and there is a video here which shows Suvi/fRyder flirts. Positive ones. I know she's exclusive f/f romance option, I just pointed out that unlike every other exclusive romance option she never states her sexuality and I wonder why is it so. Maybe it is in her character arc that she's in closet, her dialogues will tell. But if she actually never lets you know she's a lesbian then it's definitely not simple dev's omission considering that they remembered to make it very loud and clear that Liam and Cora are 100% straight and Gil 100% gay.
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Post by miso9 on Mar 17, 2017 13:02:12 GMT
no evidence yet of Scott Ryder being able to flirt with Suvi? Here you go... she lets him down nicely, at least. First of all, hi to everyone, I used to discuss on old BSN mainly the subject of female same-sex romances and I see some familiar nicknames here. Second of all, speaking of that video, there's something about this rejection that bothers me a lot. Every other exclusive LI – Liam, Cora and Gil – when flirted with by Ryder of the wrong gender tells you right away that they're not interested specifically because you're a man/woman. So at the same time it's an exposure of their sexuality, that they're exclusively gay or straight. It's different for Suvi. She understands that Scott tried to hit on her, but instead of "sorry, not into men" like Liam she just tells you she prefers to keep it professional. So devs de facto decided to hide that she's a lesbian. Unless it's revealed later – which I doubt since male Ryder apparently has no flirt options whatsoever after the first one – then male players who don't read forums etc. would have no idea she's anything but straight at all. The fact that her response was treated for so long as some big secret also makes it look really shady. Now the question is if her romance arc has anything that implies she's a lesbian (instead of just happening to love "a person" - our character who just happens to be a woman). I watched enough TV shows to know that until it's stated nothing is set in stone. IIRC Andromeda is supposed to be the first game in another trilogy, so those characters will come back. If it's never clear cut set that Suvi likes only women there will always be possibility to pull Kaidan on her if straight male players are loud enough. After all it's not like keeping it vague would be an accident when all the other 3 exclusive romance interests are very clear about being 100% straight or gay, so devs would single her out definitely for a reason. And BTW, if that's really the case – that Suvi has no dialogue that indicates she likes only women – then maybe her voice actress wasn't actually baiting male players on Twitter. If nothing she was given to read implied her character is a lesbian, she could genuinely have no idea about such "rumors".
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Post by miso9 on Mar 17, 2017 8:59:11 GMT
Hello everybody. Been lurking for a while until I decided to register. I was a member of old BSN and with the release of MEA I look forward to discuss this and future Bioware games.
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