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Post by Iddy on Mar 29, 2023 17:17:59 GMT
All attempts at foiling Solas' plans so far: ![](https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-18-2018/Ii0a4F.gif) ![](https://www.gifcen.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/road-runner-gif-12.gif)
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Post by Iddy on Mar 29, 2023 16:38:02 GMT
I wonder when will we see Cassandra again. Last time I checked, she was still part of the Inquisition that remained to fight against Solas. All the main Inquisition members are still a part of the Inquisition. Some are just helping from their other positions now, like Cassandra as possibly the head of the Seekers and/or Divine Victoria. Varric could be helping from his seat in Kirkwall, merely sending people and money, but here he is.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 29, 2023 16:16:55 GMT
I wonder when will we see Cassandra again. Last time I checked, she was still part of the Inquisition that remained to fight against Solas.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 29, 2023 16:13:48 GMT
3. He apparently regrets telling the Inquisitor about his evil master plan. He called it a moment of weakness. That was interesting. I'm not entirely convinced by this. He was so careful to avoid giving anything away whilst in the Inquisition, deliberately involves us in dealing with the Qunari (which he was clearly able to deal with himself) and then blurts out his plan to even a hostile Inquisitor. Apart from a desire to mock the latter for thinking they had saved the world and the way he had fooled them, I really can't see him potentially jeopardising his plan by succumbing to a rush of conscience. 4. "When you report back to the Inquisitor…” His voice faltered. “Say that I am sorry.” His voice faltered. I can tell Patrick Weekes was thinking of the Solas romance when he wrote that, even if it can't be said openly because he can't be too specific about the Inquisitor. It certainly doesn't apply to a hostile Inquisitor. Why on earth would Solas be apologising to them now when he was totally unapologetic in Trespasser? Why apologise yet again to a friendly Inquisitor/lover? It is empty rhetoric once again because if he was really sorry he wouldn't do it, or at the very least give the explanation he denied us before as to why the world has to die to save the elves. Bearing in mind he now says he is going to save this world, what is he apologising for? Killing everyone who isn't an elf? I'm not sure what to make of it. While he has concealed information even while speaking to a romanced Lavellan, it is also true that he almost told her everything in that cutscene where he breaks up with her. The occasional slip due to an emotional impulse isn't entirely impossible (though he is very good at avoiding it). Still... assuming that he lied to Charter about having revealed his plan in a moment of weakness, what would be the benefit? As for him being sorry, my best guess would be that he isn't apologising for what he is about to do. He is apologising for the sadness and hurt he's inflicted upon the Inquisitor as a result. Of course, there is an obvious moral contradiction, but that is the part he truly feels sorry for.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 29, 2023 14:53:15 GMT
1. Solas claimed that his plan will benefit modern elves. I was surprised because, well, they are "not his people". And it is hard to know for certain that he was telling the truth or just selling a false promise to get Charter to join him. I'm not convinced Charter is a modern elf. Her origins are obscure. According to WoT2, prior to joining the Inquisition she went by the pseudonym the Black Hart and the in-world writer of her entry suggests that was also an alias. What is clear is that she clearly covered her tracks so no one knows her true identity. What Solas says to her is "What I am doing will save this world and, those like you, the elves who still remain, may even find it better when it is done". There are two aspects to this speech I have always found strange. Firstly, he claims his action will save this world. That seems in complete contradiction to his statement in Trespasser when he says he will save the elven people even if this world must die. So, has his plan altered from when he spoke with the Inquisitor? Secondly, he says " elves like you" to Charter and seems to imply that he has no doubt she will survive. So, how does he categorise her? We know she is not Dalish, so is she a city elf? Thus, is it only the Dalish he referred to when he says Lavellan's people will perish? That does seems strange, bearing in mind that Abelas recognised neither Lavellan (a Dalish), nor Sera (a city elf) as his people but did acknowledge Solas as such. This is what led me to believe that Charter is an ancient elf who has gone "native" so to speak among the modern races. That being the case, when she asks him for her life, it isn't just because of her presence at the meeting but because she knows how he has dealt in the past with defectors like Felassan. To my mind, that is the only explanation that makes any sense in view of his previous conversation with Lavellan. - Well, you could say the same of any bard or spy in Thedas. They often do use different aliases and their past is only known to a select few. I'd also point out that Charter doesn't even have her own codex in the game, likely because she wasn't a big enough character before the comics came along. However, Solas did include her among the elves who will remain, so I won't be all that surprised if she does turn out to be an ancient elf who has embraced the modern world. But who knows? There might be a slim chance that lifting the Veil will benefit all elves after all, as the Solas apologists have been claiming all this time. - Just before that line about saving this world, he also tells Charter he is going to end this world. So I'd say that he wasn't telling a different version of his plan, but merely phrased it as though the world that will be destroyed and the one that will be created were just the same. Like someone who says that the Earth will be destroyed and rebuilt.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 29, 2023 12:47:24 GMT
I finally finished Tevinter Nights and I just loved that whole interaction with Solas at the end. There were a few points that caught my attention:
1. Solas claimed that his plan will benefit modern elves. I was surprised because, well, they are "not his people". And it is hard to know for certain that he was telling the truth or just selling a false promise to get Charter to join him.
2. The elves in fancy armor that killed those dwarves with arrows. At first I thought they were ancient elves, but one had a Fereldan accent and the other, Dalish. But neither had vallaslin. Maybe Solas removes it from those that have earned his trust? I say that because that Dalish Fen'harel agent who spoke to the dwarven assassin still had the tattoos. Or perhaps he simply allows them that choice as he did with Lavellan.
3. He apparently regrets telling the Inquisitor about his evil master plan. He called it a moment of weakness. That was interesting.
4. "When you report back to the Inquisitor…” His voice faltered. “Say that I am sorry.” His voice faltered. I can tell Patrick Weekes was thinking of the Solas romance when he wrote that, even if it can't be said openly because he can't be too specific about the Inquisitor.
5. The giant wolf in the Fade reminds me of Gervaise's theory on that being a separate persona. I think that was just Solas in a badass form and I really hope that will be part of the final boss battle in DA:D.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 28, 2023 12:39:44 GMT
That made me realize there is an interesting and likely possibility that at some point, someone approached Lavellan to convince her to join the Dread Wolf's cause I think that highly unlikely. Lavellan was very high profile in Thedas so it would be pretty easy for Solas to instruct his followers to give them a wide berth. You have to remember that Lavellan can have a wide range of attitudes towards Solas in DAI. You can be in a romance, you can view him as a friend but you can also openly be at odds with him and then in Trespasser your reaction to the revelations can either consolidate your previous feelings for him, or, in the case of a lover/friend, actually alter their perspective into a more hostile attitude towards him. If they offer to join him, he rejects them. So, whatever part he imagines they are going to play in his plans going forward, he would not want his followers interfering with this. Thus, Lavellan would be off limits until he chose to include them once more. However, what is interesting about Tevinter Nights is the number of agents he seems to have throughout Thedas, how they are actively involved in wider political activity, such as attempting to escalate the war between Tevinter and the Qun, and how they are recruiting modern elves to their cause. What was also interesting about that is that they are recruiting to Fen'Harel's cult on the basis of a return to elven glory but Irian assumed this was just going to be through normal means of violence and rebellion but there didn't seem to have been any mention of wholesale destruction of the world generally. This is hardly surprising but it is concerning. If you are a downtrodden alienage elf or slave in the Imperium then you might well be enticed by the thought of the return of an elven empire and not too fussed if it results in the death of a few humans along the way but I do wonder how much they are being deceived by the rhetoric of his agents, who may not even be aware themselves of what his plan entails. Ah. Well, I imagined there might be such invitation because to some people, Lavellan may appear to be just another elf. The plan to escalate the war between Tevinter and the Qunari is kind of a problem, because Solas claimed that he wanted people to enjoy some peace before he tears down the Veil. Either he was lying to us or his agents have been getting ahead of themselves. And yes, I also want to know if he has deliberately sold false promises to these not-real elves.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 27, 2023 19:51:42 GMT
Second part of Golems of Amgarrak (tomorrow Witch Hunt ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png) ) Personally, I never finished Golems of Amgarrak since it apparently requires your Warden to agree with the idea of making them.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 27, 2023 19:28:53 GMT
While we're at it, I'd like to pose a different question. Is it truly wrong to consider the Evanuris as gods? Their power was peerless in a civilisation where magic that would leave modern mages speechless was simply average. And in a civilisation where immortality was the norm, they were harder to kill than most.
I think that calling one of them an "elven mage" is like calling a dragon a lizard. Not quite wrong, but a great understatement.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 27, 2023 18:13:19 GMT
In Tevinter Nights, there is this moment when an elf called Iria mentions that people tried to recruit her into Fen'harel's cult.
That made me realize there is an interesting and likely possibility that at some point, someone approached Lavellan to convince her to join the Dread Wolf's cause. I like to imagine how that interaction would go. Which reminds me... I hope she still does go outside rather than being permanently trapped in a dark meeting room.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 27, 2023 18:09:31 GMT
If armor tinting still is a thing, I hope we'll have access to a true purple shade. The closest thing I seem to find in Inquisition is either pink or some kinda blue.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 26, 2023 14:04:05 GMT
From Tevinter Nights: - Neve Gallus, the private investigator (laetan human mage) I liked Neve in TN and also think her skill set is just the sort of thing we would need in a companion. I'm very hopeful she will be. - Lucanis Dellamorte, chaotic dumbass (antivan crow human rogue) I've sort of got a soft spot for him too, as a bad boy but with principles that he appeared to be in TN. On the face of it, they killed him off in that short story but I don't believe it. I think he cooked up some scheme with his cousin so he could leave the Crows behind. Still, it would be rather treading old ground, a sort of Zevran 2.0 and he is a hard act to follow. - Mateo, the Delver/ruins expert (Lord of Fortune human Warrior) I wouldn't mind Mateo. He seems like a solid sort and likely has plenty of tales to tell about his previous adventures. Plus, like Neve, he seems to have a skill set that would be helpful when trying to track down Solas or ancient artifacts to use against him. I would give an honourable mention to Rasaan as I think she would be a fascinating person to get to know and, of course, fills the remit of a female Qunari. None of the other characters introduced in TN really interest me enough to want to see them again. As for the comics, well I'm waiting on the final two issues of the Missing to see what is offered there but there isn't anyone who really stands out from previous series. I like Vaea but I don't think she would have the experience or toughness of character to be a good fit. Of course, the death of her mentor could have impacted on her outlook on life but I think if they altered her too much, it would take away what I like about her. So, I'd rather they leave her, Francesca and Autumn out of it, although I wouldn't mind having a mabari again. Evka/Antoine and Teia/Viago are couples in TN, the short stories and the comics, so unless they were going to make them suffer bereavement, having one would necessarily involve the other. I think we may encounter them and they may even act as contacts/quest givers along our journey but I doubt they will be companions. I'm against making Vadis a companion (or whatever is her name) for the same reason. We already had a rebel altus in the last game, so it would be treading on old ground. Also, she strikes me as a bit childish and not particularly likeable. I did enjoy Iria, however. And yes... couples are generally troublesome because they are sort of a package, unless one of the lovebirds is an irrelevant character like Vivienne's lover.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 26, 2023 0:13:55 GMT
from the characters we have in Tevinter Nights or the comics, who would it be?
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Post by Iddy on Mar 25, 2023 17:18:36 GMT
Speaking of the new protagonist... the chances of being able to play as a Qunari again are pretty slim, right?
Since Tevinter is being invaded. And because it's Tevinter.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 25, 2023 13:28:36 GMT
![](https://i.imgur.com/4f1hV6Z.png) Little sneak peak of my Hawke Ailith and now that I made here I'm doubting the romance choice I picked for her, at first was going to go for Sebastian (given the fact Ailith is going to side with the Templars), but now I'm not so sure ![:rollseyes:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/t0UFIaLiu0gIjnYRXLHv.gif) She looks too good to be wasted on Sebastien. I am not aa Fenris fan but he was the first one to mind when I saw your Ailith and that'd work with your templar plans wouldn't it? Because she looks angry?
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Post by Iddy on Mar 24, 2023 18:42:24 GMT
Well, if the latest comic series is anything to go by, then characters who appeared in Tevinter Nights and/or previous comic series and/or short stories from DA Day are likely to appear. Evka/Antoine appeared in TN and their own short story, as did Strife, whilst Viago and Teia were in TN, their own short story and Deception. We have yet to discover who the relevant person is going to be once we reach Minrathous and there hasn't been a character from there who has been as prominent in associated media as those already mentioned, apart from Dorian but he would be a returning character from the games rather than a completely new one to them. I'm inclined to think it could be the mage featured in the concept art, in which case it could be Neve from TN, who seems just the sort of person the Inquisition would value as a contact. I also think that these characters will not be companions but contacts/quest setters in the various locations we visit. The chance still exists, though. Cole was a book character and we were given zero hints that he would become a companion. But I agree that most of them will be just contacts.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 23, 2023 17:49:39 GMT
There were several other elven bg chars in those comics with different types of bodies also. I also think Strife already was quite distinct even when his appearance was just words. Tall and silver haired, badass and noun-named, Starkhaven accent, Felassan energy. Hope to see him in DA:D. Strife possibilities aside I have a feeling that there will be more modern elves with different body types in the franchise in future. Different body types means more money being spent. If Bioware dares to do that, it will be with one or two characters and we won't have access to those models. Then again, Dragon's Dogma did a lot more...
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Post by Iddy on Mar 22, 2023 22:23:33 GMT
Isn't Strife supposed to be a skinny old man? He looks more like Sten. Same personality, too (book Strife was very snarky).
I'm also curious as to why do they think they're more special than the average Dalish. Surely it can't be just because they're Veil Jumpers.
In any case, I find it interesting that Varric and Harding still introduce themselves as Inquisition members. Isn't it disbanded in this story? I guess @gervaise was right. Whatever happens, there will be at least a shadow Inquisition.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 22, 2023 0:35:41 GMT
I feel like I probably should play as a rogue in DA4.
Many stories in Tevinter Nights, which lead up to the next game, revolve around heist plans and assassination. And let's not forget that DA: Absolution had a rogue as a protagonist.
Lastly... it seems like there will be a great deal of effort into keeping a low profile to avoid information leaks. The whole thing is made for a knifey-stealthy hero.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 21, 2023 18:50:45 GMT
So its mentioned in the myth that Solas tempted the gods and the forgotten ones with a blade that would end the war, the in-game cinematic has him holding up a knife/blade when wanting to tear down the veil. Same blade? I don't think it was said to be specifically a blade.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 21, 2023 14:14:53 GMT
You know... there is this moment when ""Bann Teagan"" storms into the Inquisition's room to complain that he wasn't told about the dead Qunari, and the Inquisitor can reply with "Thank you for bringing me this information, gentlemen".
I can't tell if the devs intended this dialogue to be polite or sarcastic, because s/he technically already knew about the Qunari infiltration. Personally, I roleplayed it as her acting all Orlesian and playing coy.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 17, 2023 22:49:59 GMT
I've recreated my very first Inquisitor from years ago, from back when I played DAI on the PS3. Before I played any other DA game. I changed the name and the basic class, but she is still going to be a reaver and romance the Iron Bull. And well, I'm excited because we didn't have the DLCs back then, so her story was never truly finished. But I won't go all the way just yet, because I need to rest from the last playthrough.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 17, 2023 13:48:18 GMT
So for me, the thing with Solas being convinced that he destroyed the world when he put up the Veil, and that to restore it, he must destroy it again, is patently false. The world still exists. There are still people and animals that are recognizably ones that existed before the Veil was created. Indeed, they are descendants of the people and animals that existed back in Solas' time. Solas destroyed his world - his society and culture. But he did not destroy THE world. And chances are The world will still exist if he succeeds in his current plan to drop the Veil again. The current societies and cultures will be lost or irrevocably changed, but considering what those societies and cultures are, I'm not sure that's the worst thing ever. The survivors and their descendants will get a chance to create something new, and, one can hope, better. Do you remember Vir Dirthara, the library? It was destroyed in quite the literal sense. The place was sundered and there were memories of elves falling because the floor was gone. The physical world continued to exist, yes, but their spiritual realm did not. Quite literally. As told by Solas: "There were various other marvels. All intrinsicallly tied to the Fade, all destroyed". Their society wasn't only damaged in a social, cultural sense. Does anyone expect DA4 to end with the protagonist going "Ohh gee, we totally misunderstood what you meant! Sorry, Solas. Please, continue."
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Post by Iddy on Mar 16, 2023 23:13:32 GMT
Oddly enough Charter didn't say it would be world ending so much as causing massive destruction. Was that the writers clarifying the information in Trespasser or Charter being unwilling to reveal just how deadly it would be? However, when talking to Solas direct, Charter returns to the assertion that his plan would destroy the world and he doesn't deny this, so I'm guessing the latter is how the Inquisition are framing his threat when talking to others. His agents would also seem to reinforce such a narrative since they seem to be promising modern elves a return of elven glory and destruction of their enemies, rather than simply destruction of the world. I always found "world ending" too dramatic, the world will change that is for sure but we don't know how. I wonder, will all elves be reconnected to the Fade and become immortal and able to use magic? what about other races? Solas says "as this world burned in the raw chaos", does this mean tearing the Veil will turn some spirits into demons, so instead of small rifts here and there the whole world will be flooded with them? or is he referring to the Evanuris taking action? Sooooo many questions ....This again. It is not "dramatic" or a metaphor. It is a question that has been presented to Solas in a literal sense, and he responded the same way. "Why bother disrupting the Qunari plot if you're going to destroy the world regardless?" "Because I'm not a monster. If they must die, I'd rather they die in comfort."
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Post by Iddy on Mar 16, 2023 0:24:34 GMT
It's been ages since last time I played, but it is common knowledge that the Dreadwolf and Solas are the same? May be it is known that the Inquisitor had a relationship with an apostate elven mage, that he was Fen'Harel's agent even, but that he was Fen'Harel himself? And if it is known, once the Veil is destroyed, could it be that the remaining Evanuris target the Inquisitor as revenge? (assuming they somewhat think Solas still loves her) I am also curious about this. We know people are aware that the Inquisition had an apostate mage named Solas (if Maryden's song is any indication in Trespasser) and we can reasonably assume that most national powers are aware of a "Fen'Harel Cult" existing ( and maybe that the same Solas from the Inquisition is in charge of it?). But i'm not too sure if they really believe he was the same elvhen 'god' of legend as opposed to a particularly skilled elf just taking on the name. But if any groups are going to make that connection first, it would be the Qunari and the Mortallitasi on account of having run-ins with them, but I'm not too sure if they actually acknowledge him as an ancient elf from the time of Arlathan as opposed to, for example, an elvhen experiment from the time of Old Tevinter or an odd necromancer experiment. Or maybe even something closer to DAO's Zathrian who was widely acknowledged by the Dalish (although I am unsure how many people believe in his existence outside of the clans). Did either of those groups ever explicitly say they believed Solas to be the same Fen'harel of legend? I believe that what really matters is whether they consider him to be a world ending threat.
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