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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 12, 2017 22:01:34 GMT
Horrible, terrible thought I wish I never had: What if BioWare is throwing in the towel on their SP games and going all in with MP? My stupid brain. It always does this. Yeah.....that's.....that's a rabbit hole I'd prefer NOT to venture down....
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 12, 2017 22:01:45 GMT
I don't understand why he'd leave. I also don't know exactly what he was in charge of. Tell me if I should freak out Hrungr Yeah, as others have mentioned, Mike sets the overall creative direction for the game. My role, basically, is somewhere between lead designer and arbiter of the overall franchise in terms of its story, growth, and how it turns out across all of its incarnations. As far as the game goes, I’m kind of the leader of the design group. So gameplay, storytelling, half of the cinematics, and all of the combat falls under me.
Outside of that, in a more creative director role, I look after the approvals for the novels, whether the pen and paper role-playing game is allowed to go certain directions or introduce certain rules, I worked on the anime [laughs], Dawn of the Seeker. Those kinds of things, where we’re dealing with external partners, in a large part just to make sure that the IP feels consistent and everything grows the IP in a sane and safe way. So you don’t get "these dwarves are powered by the sun, and they fly!" No, that’s not happening [laughs].
As far as whether this is worrisome for DA4, I think it's just too early to tell. We'll see who comes in to replace him. It's possible Mike wants to move out of the AAA grind or perhaps he was snatched by another studio. It shouldn't be too long before we find out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 22:02:04 GMT
Aww man, I'm sad Mike's leaving. I can't even imagine the metric tons of bullshit he has to put up with, being one of the outward facing members of their team, plus the corporate bullshit. Best of luck to him, wherever he lands.
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Post by roselavellan on Oct 12, 2017 22:03:06 GMT
He's responsible (as creative director) for the overall vision and often creative direction of the Dragon Age franchise. It's a moderately important job, you don't want a hack in there As someone responsible for the creative direction of the franchise, I'd have thought it was possibly one of the most important jobs, if not the most important job...?
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Post by phoray on Oct 12, 2017 22:03:13 GMT
But but.. I liked DA2 and DAO and DAIand now two big name Bioware folks have left. I know, I did too. I could offer a sports analogy? But if you're not a sports fan it might not hold any water for you... I think I've decided to have a fret night. Maybe alcohol will be involved. All these trolls pre rejoicing in DA4s downfall and I've been trucking along because the DA branch has been nothing but rainbows and nugs. And then a big name drops out of the race with no explaination. Oh maker, the trolls are going to implode with Trolly joy and I'm going to fret.
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Post by Biodron on Oct 12, 2017 22:06:30 GMT
After the fiasco of MEA I'm kinda worried about this.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 12, 2017 22:07:23 GMT
I know, I did too. I could offer a sports analogy? But if you're not a sports fan it might not hold any water for you... I think I've decided to have a free night. Maybe alcohol will be involved. All these trolls pre rejoicing in DA4s downfall and I've been trucking along because the DA branch has been nothing but rainbows and nugs. And then a bit name drops out of the race with no explaination. Oh maker, the trolls are going to implode with Trolly joy and I'm going to fret. It'll be fine. By all means, have a few drinks....I think this place has a bar....it's a bit quiet though. Whether the "trolls" liked DAI (or DA in general is irrelevant) DAI was very successful and another one is coming...I'm sure of it. Whether it will be any good, or liked by the trolls is another matter. But Mike leaving shouldn't be considered the death knell of the series.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 12, 2017 22:10:36 GMT
Look, i know it's just one person...but I can't help with what happened to MEA carried over to development for DA4; added pressure that sorta thing. If there's a good thing, it's early on development of I mean it's possible that they haven't really started hard core dev yet.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 12, 2017 22:11:24 GMT
I think I've decided to have a free night. Maybe alcohol will be involved. All these trolls pre rejoicing in DA4s downfall and I've been trucking along because the DA branch has been nothing but rainbows and nugs. And then a bit name drops out of the race with no explaination. Oh maker, the trolls are going to implode with Trolly joy and I'm going to fret. It'll be fine. By all means, have a few drinks....I think this place has a bar....it's a bit quiet though. Whether the "trolls" liked DAI (or DA in general is irrelevant) DAI was very successful and another one is coming...I'm sure of it. Whether it will be any good, or liked by the trolls is another matter. But Mike leaving shouldn't be considered the death knell of the series. I'm fairly sure that this decision didn't come out of nowhere, or yesterday. And so far the rest of the team we know is on DA seems to be trudging along.
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Post by river82 on Oct 12, 2017 22:12:01 GMT
I know, I did too. I could offer a sports analogy? But if you're not a sports fan it might not hold any water for you... I think I've decided to have a free night. Maybe alcohol will be involved. All these trolls pre rejoicing in DA4s downfall and I've been trucking along because the DA branch has been nothing but rainbows and nugs. And then a bit name drops out of the race with no explaination. Oh maker, the trolls are going to implode with Trolly joy and I'm going to fret. Bioware will be fine. To be perfectly honest I've had big problems with the creative direction of the last 2 Dragon Age games, the DA:2 was curtailed by being woefully short on time, but with Inquisition I thought having such a heavy focus on exploration was a mistake. We all like Laidlaw, but I don't believe he's one of those that is irreplaceable, or approaching that status (*cough* KNOWLES *cough*.) I think they'll be fine. And it'll be good for Laidlaw to get away from AAA. AAA tends to be a little soul destroying xD
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 12, 2017 22:12:35 GMT
Horrible, terrible thought I wish I never had: What if BioWare is throwing in the towel on their SP games and going all in with MP? The thought has occurred to me as well. DAI nearly went all-MP. Electronic Arts seems infatuated with the concept.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 12, 2017 22:13:26 GMT
That is shocking. I really don’t know what to think right now. I really liked Laidlaw.
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Post by biggydx on Oct 12, 2017 22:17:30 GMT
Some of the most notable writers and developers for Bioware have been there for more than a decade. You can't really expect them to continue staying with said company for the rest of their life. You just hope that Bioware finds other talented people.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Oct 12, 2017 22:18:35 GMT
Horrible, terrible thought I wish I never had: What if BioWare is throwing in the towel on their SP games and going all in with MP? The thought has occurred to me as well. DAI nearly went all-MP. Electronic Arts seems infatuated with the concept. Urp. Yeah, that's really not helping. Phoray, you want a drinking buddy?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 12, 2017 22:19:08 GMT
I think I've decided to have a free night. Maybe alcohol will be involved. All these trolls pre rejoicing in DA4s downfall and I've been trucking along because the DA branch has been nothing but rainbows and nugs. And then a bit name drops out of the race with no explaination. Oh maker, the trolls are going to implode with Trolly joy and I'm going to fret. We all like Laidlaw, but I don't believe he's one of those that is irreplaceable, or approaching that status (*cough* KNOWLES *cough*.) I think they'll be fine. HA! Totally called it!
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Post by phoray on Oct 12, 2017 22:19:16 GMT
Okay. Cried 8 minutes and took a shot of whiskey. I'm still going to check out via video game for the rest of the evening and try not to think about DA4's writing team being folded into Anthem. join me, OhDaniGirl I got another shot waiting. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 22:20:04 GMT
Okay, this does bug me, despite Mike being reassuring that DA will be fine, Gaider wants him guiding the project. Argh. I hope this was his decision, and not some panel of stuffed shirts. Whoever takes this on, has some big shoes to fill.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 12, 2017 22:20:16 GMT
Okay. Cried 8 minutes and took a shot of whiskey. I'm still going to check out via video game for the rest of the evening and try not to think about DA4's writing team being folded into Anthem. I wish I could get a drink right now. Can I join you?
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Post by mmoblitz on Oct 12, 2017 22:20:21 GMT
He is - but Mike told him what he could write about... It's probably more complex and layered than that....but I remember a post from David Gaider during DA2 development. Mike came to him one day and said "Remember Isabela from the Pearl, she's a companion now" So, he was in charge of all the "Creative" aspects of the games.... I think. Lol. They did that to him in Inquisition also. They came to Gaider and said "it's an open world game now" xD Writers tend to be quite low down on the totem pole. Even in Bioware, a place which emphasizes storytelling. You mean used to emphasize story telling. Not sure what to think. A few big names left during MEA development and I remember people saying no big deal, MEA will be fine. I don't think I need to say anymore on that. Now if DA4 is in development, there goes another one. I guess only time will tell.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 12, 2017 22:20:51 GMT
Horrible, terrible thought I wish I never had: What if BioWare is throwing in the towel on their SP games and going all in with MP? The thought has occurred to me as well. DAI nearly went all-MP. Electronic Arts seems infatuated with the concept. I...don't know if that's fair. I have never touched (nor even clicked on the link in the menu) for MP and I enjoyed DAI a lot. The combat...sure, it is MP focused, the only difference being in SP we can pause with tac-cam. But to call it "nearly all-MP" is overstating things a bit.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 12, 2017 22:21:07 GMT
Lol. They did that to him in Inquisition also. They came to Gaider and said "it's an open world game now" xD Writers tend to be quite low down on the totem pole. Even in Bioware, a place which emphasizes storytelling. You mean used to emphasize story telling. It still does.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 22:22:55 GMT
Pushes away the beer, gets out the sake.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 12, 2017 22:24:55 GMT
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 12, 2017 22:26:34 GMT
*sits quietly in the radiant confidence of someone who has not played MEA*
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Post by pinkjellybeans on Oct 12, 2017 22:28:56 GMT
I think I've decided to have a free night. Maybe alcohol will be involved. All these trolls pre rejoicing in DA4s downfall and I've been trucking along because the DA branch has been nothing but rainbows and nugs. And then a bit name drops out of the race with no explaination. Oh maker, the trolls are going to implode with Trolly joy and I'm going to fret. Bioware will be fine. To be perfectly honest I've had big problems with the creative direction of the last 2 Dragon Age games, the DA:2 was curtailed by being woefully short on time, but with Inquisition I thought having such a heavy focus on exploration was a mistake. We all like Laidlaw, but I don't believe he's one of those that is irreplaceable, or approaching that status (*cough* KNOWLES *cough*.) I think they'll be fine. And it'll be good for Laidlaw to get away from AAA. AAA tends to be a little soul destroying xD Yeah, this is why I don't know how I should feel about this, since I didn't like the overall direction of DAI. Not only the exploration part, but also the scale of the story as well as the combat. I guess it depends who gets to replace him, hopefully it will someone who is passionate about RPGs and knows the DA universe. It also depends on why he's leaving, if it's something personal or if things aren't going well with DA4.. Either way, I'm a bit worried, at least until we get more news.
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