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Post by slimgrin727 on Oct 12, 2017 22:30:29 GMT
All the best to him in the future, but he's been lead during the weaker sequels, not DA:O.
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Post by linksocarina on Oct 12, 2017 22:32:05 GMT
We still got Mark Darrah at least, right?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 12, 2017 22:34:55 GMT
All the best to him in the future, but he's been lead during the weaker sequels, not DA:O. While I liked both sequels (Inquisition in particular) I can't disagree with the fact that I think they're weaker than Origins as well.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 12, 2017 22:37:50 GMT
I don't understand why he'd leave. I also don't know exactly what he was in charge of. Tell me if I should freak out Hrungr
As far as whether this is worrisome for DA4, I think it's just too early to tell. We'll see who comes in to replace him (Patrick or ???). It's possible Mike wants to move out of the AAA grind or perhaps he was snatched by another studio. It shouldn't be too long before we find out. Yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if they already found one. I don't think he would have made this announcement on a whim (think Star Wars 9 as an example on when will know).
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Oct 12, 2017 22:40:26 GMT
Let's not pretend this is normal, some of us did the same thing with MEA and look how that turned out. Definitely reason to be concerned.
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Post by musely on Oct 12, 2017 22:40:59 GMT
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrah
So DA4 is still a thing.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 12, 2017 22:43:18 GMT
Let's not pretend this is normal, some of us did the same thing with MEA and look how that turned out. Definitely reason to be concerned. Two different teams. Even with Mike gone as lead doesn't change the fact that - in contrast to Montreal - most of DA team remains experienced AAA game veterans.
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 12, 2017 22:47:12 GMT
I'm sad for selfish reasons but I wish him all the best in his endeavors. He's a talented creator and seems like an all-around good guy. Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrah So DA4 is still a thing. Fingers crossed.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 12, 2017 22:53:34 GMT
In the words of our beloved inquisitor. Well, shit. I guess the only talent i know is still working on DA 4 is Patrick Weekes. At least in leadership.
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 12, 2017 22:54:15 GMT
I'm just gonna leave this here. THANKS FOR ALL THE GOOD TIMES BRUH. :sob:
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Post by Revan Reborn on Oct 12, 2017 23:01:58 GMT
Well, this is terrible news. Not only has Dragon Age lost its lead writer, but it's also lost its creative director (the guy that determines what the game is). That's not to say DA4 is doomed, but... it's doomed. I did not see that one coming. I was just beginning to be more optimistic with Casey Hudson coming back and taking over as GM of BioWare. I think the only BioWare product I might have faith in at this point is Anthem, only because Drew Karpyshyn is involved.
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Post by linksocarina on Oct 12, 2017 23:09:27 GMT
Is the sky falling when someone leaves an issue for us?
Are we really that worried about Dragon Age 4?
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Post by colfoley on Oct 12, 2017 23:13:29 GMT
Well, this is terrible news. Not only has Dragon Age lost its lead writer, but it's also lost its creative director (the guy that determines what the game is). That's not to say DA4 is doomed, but... it's doomed. I did not see that one coming. I was just beginning to be more optimistic with Casey Hudson coming back and taking over as GM of BioWare. I think the only BioWare product I might have faith in at this point is Anthem, only because Drew Karpyshyn is involved. we just don't even know how this will effect DA 4 at all. This is a blow but there are still good people working on it. As I've mentioned pat weekes is an amazing writer.
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Post by kino on Oct 12, 2017 23:16:41 GMT
Wow...didn't see that coming. That's a shame since he seems as big a fan of DA as any of the consumers.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Oct 12, 2017 23:17:04 GMT
Is the sky falling when someone leaves an issue for us? Are we really that worried about Dragon Age 4? Yes. I don't think you realize that Mike Laidlaw was the creative director of Dragon Age for years now. Everything you love and hate about the series is because of him. He decides what these games are. With him leaving means somebody else has to take over, which inevitably will lead to changes. Perhaps they'll be good, but it's also quite possible they'll be bad. The point is, DA4's future is a lot more uncertain without Mike Laidlaw. For anyone that is a fan of Dragon Age, this news should be unsettling. It's the equivalent of Casey Hudson (the creative director of the Mass Effect trilogy) leaving right before Andromeda went into production. We all know how that game turned out.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 12, 2017 23:18:46 GMT
Let's not pretend this is normal, some of us did the same thing with MEA and look how that turned out. Definitely reason to be concerned. Two different teams. Even with Mike gone as lead doesn't change the fact that - in contrast to Montreal - most of DA team remains experienced AAA game veterans. And leaving is relatively normal for devs to do. Maybe not to the extent of whats going on in BioWare right now, but still a relatively normal experience. I'm sure BioWare already has a new creative director right now and there just waiting for the right time to announce it to the public (think Star Wars 9). This isn't a decision that happened on a whim. This would be nothing story if it wasn't for the closing of Montreal. www.naughtydog.com/blog/a_messsage_from_bruce_straley
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Post by Revan Reborn on Oct 12, 2017 23:19:54 GMT
we just don't even know how this will effect DA 4 at all. This is a blow but there are still good people working on it. As I've mentioned pat weekes is an amazing writer. Lead writer is a minor role compared to the creative director. The lead writer just fleshes out the vision the creative director provides for the main plot. Whatever Weekes writes will be left to the discretion of whoever the creative director is. In other words, whoever the creative director will be is going to steer and drive how this game inevitably unfolds. This is a dangerous time for the studio losing such a crucial figure in development.
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Post by river82 on Oct 12, 2017 23:20:21 GMT
Is the sky falling when someone leaves an issue for us? Are we really that worried about Dragon Age 4? Yes. I don't think you realize that Mike Laidlaw was the creative director of Dragon Age for years now. Everything you love and hate about the series is because of him. He decides what these games are. With him leaving means somebody else has to take over, which inevitably will lead to changes. Perhaps they'll be good, but it's also quite possible they'l be bad. The point is, DA4's future is a lot more uncertain without Mike Laidlaw. For anyone that is a fan of Dragon Age, this news should be unsettling. It's the equivalent of Casey Hudson (the creative director of the Mass Effect trilogy) leaving right before Andromeda went into production. We all know how that game turned out. Brent Knowles was the lead designer and creative director of Dragon Age Origins. He emphasises tactical combat, and so after Origins he was sidelined. He was promised another project but none was forthcoming and so he left the studio and went to Beamdog. Laidlaw took over for Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition, both of which I thought had direction problems TBH.
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Post by isaidlunch on Oct 12, 2017 23:22:30 GMT
Is the sky falling when someone leaves an issue for us? Are we really that worried about Dragon Age 4?Absolutely, the series is going to be ruined at some point and it'll either start with DA4 or the game after. I hoped DA4 would be safe but anything is possible with Bioware these days.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Oct 12, 2017 23:23:24 GMT
Brent Knowles was the lead designer and creative director of Dragon Age Origins. He emphasises tactical combat, and so after Origins he was sidelined. He was promised another project but none was forthcoming and so he left the studio and went to Beamdog. Laidlaw took over for Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition, both of which I thought had direction problems TBH. That's because DAO was originally going to be a PC-only title. That changed after BioWare was acquired by EA, and they turned it into a multiplatform title. As a result, someone new (Mike Laidlaw) had to be brought in for the new direction the series would take. I'm not saying Mike Laidlaw was perfect, but he has been the creative force behind DA for the last six years. This will likely be a massive shakeup for the development and direction of DA4.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 12, 2017 23:23:41 GMT
we just don't even know how this will effect DA 4 at all. This is a blow but there are still good people working on it. As I've mentioned pat weekes is an amazing writer. Lead writer is a minor role compared to the creative director. The lead writer just fleshes out the vision the creative director provides for the main plot. Whatever Weekes writes will be left to the discretion of whoever the creative director is. In other words, whoever the creative director will be is going to steer and drive how this game inevitably unfolds. This is a dangerous time for the studio losing such a crucial figure in development. That assumes that the departure hasn't been caused by structural changes in BW itself, so we don't really know who is what and how much power they wield in a single project now.
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Post by linksocarina on Oct 12, 2017 23:26:50 GMT
Is the sky falling when someone leaves an issue for us? Are we really that worried about Dragon Age 4? Yes. I don't think you realize that Mike Laidlaw was the creative director of Dragon Age for years now. Everything you love and hate about the series is because of him. He decides what these games are. With him leaving means somebody else has to take over, which inevitably will lead to changes. Perhaps they'll be good, but it's also quite possible they'll be bad. The point is, DA4's future is a lot more uncertain without Mike Laidlaw. For anyone that is a fan of Dragon Age, this news should be unsettling. It's the equivalent of Casey Hudson (the creative director of the Mass Effect trilogy) leaving right before Andromeda went into production. We all know how that game turned out. we have no information at all on what's going on other than he's leaving. As a fan of Dragon Age, I'm not worried.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Oct 12, 2017 23:30:48 GMT
I am going to try really hard not to panic over this, considering we're still a couple of years out from the still hypothetical-but-not-really DA4. No point in wasting the energy right now.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 12, 2017 23:34:23 GMT
The thought has occurred to me as well. DAI nearly went all-MP. Electronic Arts seems infatuated with the concept. I...don't know if that's fair. I have never touched (nor even clicked on the link in the menu) for MP and I enjoyed DAI a lot. The combat...sure, it is MP focused, the only difference being in SP we can pause with tac-cam. But to call it "nearly all-MP" is overstating things a bit. No, what I mean is, Dragon Age Inquisition was nearly an all-multiplayer game. No single-player campaign — just all MP all the time. www.gamnesia.com/news/dragon-age-inquisition-was-initially-planned-to-be-multiplayer-exclusive
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Post by azarhal on Oct 12, 2017 23:36:39 GMT
Lol. They did that to him in Inquisition also. They came to Gaider and said "it's an open world game now" xD Writers tend to be quite low down on the totem pole. Even in Bioware, a place which emphasizes storytelling. You mean used to emphasize story telling. Not sure what to think. A few big names left during MEA development and I remember people saying no big deal, MEA will be fine. I don't think I need to say anymore on that. Now if DA4 is in development, there goes another one. I guess only time will tell. MEA lost people when Edmonton decided they didn't like what was done by Mtl after 3 years of development and scrapped most of it (which would cause a blow to the moral of the team working on it). DA4 seems to have have started development only a few months ago, so not quite the same thing, who knows how much of the game direction was already decided. Also, from what I've read about how BioWare does their games development, they never emphasized storytelling internally. Their games are story heavy, but their development process was always gameplay over the story (Trent Oster has some interesting comments about BG and NWN in interviews, as does Gaider when it comes to DAO, about that. It's not new, cinematic storytelling just exacerbate the gameplay/story segregation). I don't know why Mike is leaving, but I wish him luck for what is to come and I think BioWare is in need of "new blood" at the creative department so I welcome the change.
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