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Post by midnight tea on Oct 27, 2017 20:08:45 GMT
What exactly have they said that has gotten you so worked up? I don’t get it. Conjecture and supposition. ~ Weekes taking a week's break for "health and reflection" or w/e at the same time as Laidlaw leaves He took a week for health and reflection, but it'd seem it's mostly because of his frustration with current state of politics and so on. The tweet before Laidlaw's announcement is how current politics made him grumpy, and his comment after returning on Twitter was "I can’t cure cancer, stop hurricanes, or fix politics... but as a novelist or part of a game team, I can make someone laugh for a night". Not really a mention of work - instead he mentions it in a context of doing something positive for the world. Well, gamedev work is frustrating, so it may have something to do with usually gamedev woes. I remember passive-aggressive tweets from other times, including development of DLC for DAI. He did state on his Twitch stream that there were no disagreements that led to his departure and that it happened at a good time for him to leave. It doesn't seem to be something done in anger or haste. I'm not a super corporate person either, so I can't tell. I also can't tell how unusual it is that devs make jokes lie that on their private twitter accounts and whether it meas that they're passive aggresive or they have a sense of humor about it. We can't tell. We're neither BW devs or EA CEOs. Daniel Kading has in his description 'creative director'. We know that he's been working on DA, Mike Laidlaw has been tweeting since 2015 that we should be following Kading because he's important for 'the future' and has recently thanked him for helping him create amazing team. Also, Mike has made it pretty clear that Trespasser has been a brainchild of Kading, Weekes and Epler and only recently Epler tweeted to Mike that he's experienced 'best 6 months of his career so far'.
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Post by river82 on Oct 27, 2017 20:13:26 GMT
He took a week for health and reflection, but it'd seem it's mostly because of his frustration with current state of politics and so on. Yeah, if people don't like political twitter accounts they need to stay the hell away from Weekes' twitter, xD. His writing may make people laugh, but his twitter feed is often that of an angry and frustrated man.
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Post by Fredward on Oct 27, 2017 20:22:15 GMT
~ Passive aggressive tweets from the DA devs, considering the fact that they generally behave like EA is holding their children hostage it makes me lift an eyebrow Examples? The aforementioned video and this: Kyle Scott @hoboindustriesSome where a confused jr exec is wondering if he should blurt out 'live service' or 'Apps' for his next meeting contribution. Jason Barlow @jasontbarlowClearly the only safe route for this poor fellow is "Live Service Apps"... Kyle Scott @hoboindustriesCongratulations on your promotion There's also the latest one with the gifs but I'm prooobably reading too much into those, like even by my standards.
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Post by JokeDealer on Oct 28, 2017 0:20:40 GMT
Seeing Mike Laidlaw leave is sad, but he's been with Bioware for a long time. I cannot fault him for wanting to leave because it's very easy to slip into that feeling of stagnation. I would be lying if I said that the timing of his departure wasn't odd, but I prefer to take people at their word. We'll see if there's anything more to his departure in the years to come.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 28, 2017 6:08:54 GMT
Seeing Mike Laidlaw leave is sad, but he's been with Bioware for a long time. I cannot fault him for wanting to leave because it's very easy to slip into that feeling of stagnation. I would be lying if I said that the timing of his departure wasn't odd, but I prefer to take people at their word. We'll see if there's anything more to his departure in the years to come. Can't blame him for leaving. People are getting tired of their shenanigans and getting pressured from EA so it's no wonder that people are leaving.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 28, 2017 6:44:55 GMT
Seeing Mike Laidlaw leave is sad, but he's been with Bioware for a long time. I cannot fault him for wanting to leave because it's very easy to slip into that feeling of stagnation. I would be lying if I said that the timing of his departure wasn't odd, but I prefer to take people at their word. We'll see if there's anything more to his departure in the years to come. Can't blame him for leaving. People are getting tired of their shenanigans and getting pressured from EA so it's no wonder that people are leaving. How do you know that he left because of EA?
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Post by shinary on Oct 28, 2017 8:06:09 GMT
Seeing Mike Laidlaw leave is sad, but he's been with Bioware for a long time. I cannot fault him for wanting to leave because it's very easy to slip into that feeling of stagnation. I would be lying if I said that the timing of his departure wasn't odd, but I prefer to take people at their word. We'll see if there's anything more to his departure in the years to come. Can't blame him for leaving. People are getting tired of their shenanigans and getting pressured from EA so it's no wonder that people are leaving. Well, that's a massive assumption build on... nothing really
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 28, 2017 17:19:32 GMT
Can't blame him for leaving. People are getting tired of their shenanigans and getting pressured from EA so it's no wonder that people are leaving. How do you know that he left because of EA? How do you know he didnt leave cause of EA?
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Post by shechinah on Oct 28, 2017 17:23:34 GMT
How do you know he didnt leave cause of EA? How do you know he left because of EA? But seriously, burden of proof falls on the party making the claims and not the party inquiring about said proof.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 28, 2017 17:48:53 GMT
How do you know that he left because of EA? How do you know he didnt leave cause of EA? As said above, burden of proof is on the person who made the claim.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 28, 2017 18:06:13 GMT
Can't blame him for leaving. People are getting tired of their shenanigans and getting pressured from EA so it's no wonder that people are leaving. How do you know that he left because of EA? shinary had the better rhetorical response -- the issue with cloud9's post was not that it was unsubstantiated opinion, it's that it was an inference phrased as a foregone conclusion. A perhaps better rhetorical response would be: "While your second sentence may be 100% true, there's no known connection between it and Mike's decision to leave. It's only one possible explanation of many." This head's off the counter of, "How do you know it wasn't?", because it acknowledges that possibility. (This schooling brought to you by Captain Rhetorical R. Buttal)
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 28, 2017 18:18:03 GMT
How do you know he didnt leave cause of EA? How do you know he left because of EA? But seriously, burden of proof falls on the party making the claims and not the party inquiring about said proof. Fact is, nobody here really knows why je left and most likely we will never know....or maybe we will. All we have is speculation based on other events. It is in my opinion that he left cause the demands of EA took away his creative ambitions and thus decided it is time to move on and pursue projects that gives him more room to do things his way.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 28, 2017 22:25:23 GMT
Of course that's your opinion -- it supports your pre-existing emotional state concerning Bio's games.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 28, 2017 22:37:34 GMT
My opinion is that the real Mike Laidlaw was murdered years ago, and the "Mike" that we know is actually Anita Sarkeesian sitting on Zoe Quinn's shoulders, wearing his skin like a trenchcoat.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 28, 2017 22:42:47 GMT
But seriously, I hope Laidlaw gets the opportunity to fulfill his creative ambitions at a new studio where he can churn out endless reams of derivative, trope-riddled, cookie-cutter fantasy.
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Post by river82 on Oct 29, 2017 0:23:48 GMT
It would be amusing if Laidlaw walked due to the direction EA wanted to take the franchise, considering Knowles DID walk due to the direction the franchise was being led and Laidlaw appeared to be the man seemingly happy and up to the task of leading the franchise in a more "Mass Effect" direction ...
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Post by Superhik on Oct 29, 2017 0:40:34 GMT
Of course that's your opinion -- it supports your pre-existing emotional state concerning Bio's games. you do realize the irony of that statement after MEA ( Schreier is lying! Studio is not shutting down! DLC is coming out!)? I don't know which "side" is worse here.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 29, 2017 1:15:44 GMT
Of course that's your opinion -- it supports your pre-existing emotional state concerning Bio's games. you do realize the irony of that statement after MEA ( Schreier is lying! Studio is not shutting down! DLC is coming out!)? I don't know which "side" is worse here. There's a difference between one of the games led by inexperienced team not working out and negativity being spread on entirety of recent Bioware games or achievements. Also - please stop over-generalizing. Just because some people were willing to say Schreier was lying and convinced that DLC was coming out doesn't mean that everyone is part of the same 'side'. In fact - what side are we talking about?
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 29, 2017 1:47:01 GMT
Can't blame him for leaving. People are getting tired of their shenanigans and getting pressured from EA so it's no wonder that people are leaving. How do you know that he left because of EA? I don't. But it's one of my best guesses that why people are leaving because of EA's hostile takeover that affects the developers. Hell even Heir called out EA on their bullshit.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 29, 2017 1:50:24 GMT
Of course that's your opinion -- it supports your pre-existing emotional state concerning Bio's games. +1
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Post by Superhik on Oct 29, 2017 1:57:00 GMT
you do realize the irony of that statement after MEA ( Schreier is lying! Studio is not shutting down! DLC is coming out!)? I don't know which "side" is worse here. There's a difference between one of the games led by inexperienced team not working out and negativity being spread on entirety of recent Bioware games or achievements. Also - please stop over-generalizing. Just because some people were willing to say Schreier was lying and convinced that DLC was coming out doesn't mean that everyone is part of the same 'side'. In fact - what side are we talking about? You mean like Edmonton's Dragon Age II, ME III, and DAI( that also in retrospect, received a lot more criticism some time after it's release, even on sites that gave it very favorable reviews, like Polygon)? And by "side", I mean people who are jumping here like rabid hounds at any point of criticism, calling it out as "trolling". I'm pretty sure you won't have any trouble here recognizing this.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 29, 2017 2:25:53 GMT
There's a difference between one of the games led by inexperienced team not working out and negativity being spread on entirety of recent Bioware games or achievements. Also - please stop over-generalizing. Just because some people were willing to say Schreier was lying and convinced that DLC was coming out doesn't mean that everyone is part of the same 'side'. In fact - what side are we talking about? You mean like Edmonton's Dragon Age II, ME III, and DAI( that also in retrospect, received a lot more criticism some time after it's release, even on sites that gave it very favorable reviews, like Polygon)? And by "side", I mean people who are jumping here like rabid hounds at any point of criticism, calling it out as "trolling". I'm pretty sure you won't have any trouble here recognizing this. Welcome to BSN Fan Forum where people will be persecuted and ridiculed for criticizing BioWare games.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 29, 2017 2:29:59 GMT
There's a difference between one of the games led by inexperienced team not working out and negativity being spread on entirety of recent Bioware games or achievements. Also - please stop over-generalizing. Just because some people were willing to say Schreier was lying and convinced that DLC was coming out doesn't mean that everyone is part of the same 'side'. In fact - what side are we talking about? You mean like Edmonton's Dragon Age II, ME III, and DAI( that also in retrospect, received a lot more criticism some time after it's release, even on sites that gave it very favorable reviews, like Polygon)? You may try and downgrade DAI's success - it doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a financially and critically successful game that showed that Edmonton can stumble and then make a great next chapter, even though they had to work on a brand new engine. So yes - I certainly do mean like DAI. And while MEIII was mired in ending controversy, from what I know people had little issue with the game until they reached that ending. Hmmm... well, you're the one calling people 'rabid hounds' (I don't recall the "other side" using such extreme descriptors) because they happened to disagree with what was going way beyond 'any point of criticism'. I mean, I certainly recognize what it is - it's called 'psychological projection'...
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Post by smilesja on Oct 29, 2017 4:01:37 GMT
You mean like Edmonton's Dragon Age II, ME III, and DAI( that also in retrospect, received a lot more criticism some time after it's release, even on sites that gave it very favorable reviews, like Polygon)? And by "side", I mean people who are jumping here like rabid hounds at any point of criticism, calling it out as "trolling". I'm pretty sure you won't have any trouble here recognizing this. Welcome to BSN Fan Forum where people will be persecuted and ridiculed for criticizing BioWare games. I don’t mind critics. It’s when people act arrogant and feel like they’re opinion is superior than a fans.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 29, 2017 5:14:28 GMT
You mean like Edmonton's Dragon Age II, ME III, and DAI( that also in retrospect, received a lot more criticism some time after it's release, even on sites that gave it very favorable reviews, like Polygon)? You may try and downgrade DAI's success - it doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a financially and critically successful game that showed that Edmonton can stumble and then make a great next chapter, even though they had to work on a brand new engine. So yes - I certainly do mean like DA Dem fetch quest tho
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