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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 29, 2017 5:16:58 GMT
You mean like Edmonton's Dragon Age II, ME III, and DAI( that also in retrospect, received a lot more criticism some time after it's release, even on sites that gave it very favorable reviews, like Polygon)? And by "side", I mean people who are jumping here like rabid hounds at any point of criticism, calling it out as "trolling". I'm pretty sure you won't have any trouble here recognizing this. Welcome to BSN Fan Forum where people will be persecuted and ridiculed for criticizing BioWare games. And where #SAVETHEQUARIANS was born. Lol, remember when people here thought Bioware would announce MEA SP dlc on N7 day?
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 29, 2017 5:29:13 GMT
You may try and downgrade DAI's success - it doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a financially and critically successful game that showed that Edmonton can stumble and then make a great next chapter, even though they had to work on a brand new engine. So yes - I certainly do mean like DA Dem fetch quest tho So that's your response? "Dem fetch quest"? The laziest of arguments? Just because the game has a slew of 'fetch quests' or whatever other problems people see doesn't yet take away from it being a great game as a whole. I don't think I'm in a minority of people claiming so.
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Post by shinary on Oct 29, 2017 5:31:19 GMT
How do you know that he left because of EA? shinary had the better rhetorical response -- the issue with cloud9's post was not that it was unsubstantiated opinion, it's that it was an inference phrased as a foregone conclusion. A perhaps better rhetorical response would be: "While your second sentence may be 100% true, there's no known connection between it and Mike's decision to leave. It's only one possible explanation of many." This head's off the counter of, "How do you know it wasn't?", because it acknowledges that possibility. (This schooling brought to you by Captain Rhetorical R. Buttal) /bow Well, thank you. It's so easy to assume and postulate reasons and events, but the fact is that we don't have enough information to make a valid statement as to why things occur at BioWare - and we never will. Technically(and I sincerely hope this is not the case), his wife could have gotten cancer and Mike might have chosen to leave a job that took so much time away from a sick and loved one. And the truth is that we have just as little evidence to claim that my suggestion (Patrick Weeks level cruel writing above) is true as the fact that it is because something to do with EA. The things some people here post, is a direct reflection of their opinion on EA and BioWare. It is based on hate and anger, that might or might not be justified, that colours these conjectures. And the truthfully sad part is that these individuals treat them like fact, as a means to get validation of their own believes or simply annoy people for simply enjoying a game franchise and looking forward to its continuation. Why anyone would waste their time complaining and spreading conjecture is beyond me. If you don't enjoy it and you think things are THAT hopeless, then move on to something you do like and fill you life with something positive rather than harassing people, who do not share your "BioWare-is-doomed"-mindset. And this has nothing to do with being a fanboy/fangirl, this is how you make sure that your theory is sound, your evidence feasible and make good constructive arguments.
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Post by shinary on Oct 29, 2017 5:39:13 GMT
You mean like Edmonton's Dragon Age II, ME III, and DAI( that also in retrospect, received a lot more criticism some time after it's release, even on sites that gave it very favorable reviews, like Polygon)? And by "side", I mean people who are jumping here like rabid hounds at any point of criticism, calling it out as "trolling". I'm pretty sure you won't have any trouble here recognizing this. Welcome to BSN Fan Forum where people will be persecuted and ridiculed for criticizing BioWare games. You got it backwards. People are not "persecuting" or "ridiculing" you for criticizing BioWare. You are getting this kind of feedback, because you are being rude, ridiculing and making absurd generalizations against other people on the forum. In the end of the day, the responses you get are not a result of your opinions, but your behavior. Want a constructive discussion about how EA's values are hurting BioWare games? Absolutely fine, and I will probably agree with you on most. Attacking people, when they counter your arguments and making generalizations about entire genders - not going to get you any positive responses.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 29, 2017 5:43:50 GMT
Welcome to BSN Fan Forum where people will be persecuted and ridiculed for criticizing BioWare games. I don’t mind critics. It’s when people act arrogant and feel like they’re opinion is superior than a fans.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 29, 2017 5:47:58 GMT
Welcome to BSN Fan Forum where people will be persecuted and ridiculed for criticizing BioWare games. You got it backwards. People are not "persecuting" or "ridiculing" you for criticizing BioWare. You are getting this kind of feedback, because you are being rude, ridiculing and making absurd generalizations against other people on the forum. In the end of the day, the responses you get are not a result of your opinions, but your behavior. Want a constructive discussion about how EA's values are hurting BioWare games? Absolutely fine, and I will probably agree with you on most. Attacking people, when they counter your arguments and making generalizations about entire genders - not going to get you any positive responses.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 29, 2017 6:12:14 GMT
Well, expect people to continue to call you out for your bad attitude then.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 29, 2017 6:13:09 GMT
Welcome to BSN Fan Forum where people will be persecuted and ridiculed for criticizing BioWare games. And where #SAVETHEQUARIANS was born. Lol, remember when people here thought Bioware would announce MEA SP dlc on N7 day? Are you STILL using that hashtag?
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Post by shinary on Oct 29, 2017 6:18:17 GMT
You got it backwards. People are not "persecuting" or "ridiculing" you for criticizing BioWare. You are getting this kind of feedback, because you are being rude, ridiculing and making absurd generalizations against other people on the forum. In the end of the day, the responses you get are not a result of your opinions, but your behavior. Want a constructive discussion about how EA's values are hurting BioWare games? Absolutely fine, and I will probably agree with you on most. Attacking people, when they counter your arguments and making generalizations about entire genders - not going to get you any positive responses. It was never about liking you or not. It was about you postulating that people were attacking you for your views, when in reality it was for your behaviour. And as a sidenote, if you don't care what people think of you, then don't complain about it.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 29, 2017 6:29:23 GMT
Of course that's your opinion -- it supports your pre-existing emotional state concerning Bio's games. you do realize the irony of that statement after MEA ( Schreier is lying! Studio is not shutting down! DLC is coming out!)? I don't know which "side" is worse here. The people pushing the "Schreier is lying" argument were doing the same thing, yeah. Call people out when they pull this crap, sure. Sides don't matter.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 29, 2017 7:25:23 GMT
It was never about liking you or not. It was about you postulating that people were attacking you for your views, when in reality it was for your behaviour. And as a sidenote, if you don't care what people think of you, then don't complain about it. bsn.boards.net/post/899194/threadSays the person who called me a troll simply because I disagree with your opinion. A bit hypocritical of you don't you think? 🙄😒
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Post by shinary on Oct 29, 2017 8:44:47 GMT
It was never about liking you or not. It was about you postulating that people were attacking you for your views, when in reality it was for your behaviour. And as a sidenote, if you don't care what people think of you, then don't complain about it. bsn.boards.net/post/899194/threadSays the person who called me a troll simply because I disagree with your opinion. A bit hypocritical of you don't you think? 🙄😒 Aaaw sweety, that was so not the reason. I called you a troll, because after several people argumented against "It is important to all men that there be sex and pretty women in games" your consistent reply was several version of: "I'm a guy!" Which means you were either trolling or have a very poor grasp on how to construct rebuttals. Come up with a good, persuasive and well-founded argument other than "Because I'm a guy" or "Because I don't like EA/BioWare" and I will take back the fact that I called you a troll. I will even make an entire thread: "I was wrong! Cloud9 does in fact not troll people and have good arguments for his statements."
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 29, 2017 8:59:19 GMT
Aaaw sweety, that was so not the reason. I called you a troll, because after several people argumented against "It is important to all men that there be sex and pretty women in games" your consistent reply was several version of: "I'm a guy!" Which means you were either trolling or have a very poor grasp on how to construct rebuttals. Come up with a good, persuasive and well-founded argument other than "Because I'm a guy" or "Because I don't like EA/BioWare" and I will take back the fact that I called you a troll. I will even make an entire thread: "I was wrong! Cloud9 does in fact not troll people and have good arguments for his statements." You obviously fail to understand the fact that name calling someone when debating is unintelligent and immature. And justifying it instead of admitting your flaws. How pitiful.
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Post by shinary on Oct 29, 2017 9:30:26 GMT
Aaaw sweety, that was so not the reason. I called you a troll, because after several people argumented against "It is important to all men that there be sex and pretty women in games" your consistent reply was several version of: "I'm a guy!" Which means you were either trolling or have a very poor grasp on how to construct rebuttals. Come up with a good, persuasive and well-founded argument other than "Because I'm a guy" or "Because I don't like EA/BioWare" and I will take back the fact that I called you a troll. I will even make an entire thread: "I was wrong! Cloud9 does in fact not troll people and have good arguments for his statements." You obviously fail to understand the fact that name calling someone when debating is unintelligent and immature. And justifying it instead of admitting your flaws. How pitiful. If saying that you were trolling is my worst offense, then I think I'm good. Especially, when compared to generalizing entire genders and more. And isn't saying that someones trolling in the same boat as saying they are pityful? I was not justifying calling you a troll, I was explaining that the reason for me using that term about you, was not rooted in you opposing my arguments, but rather that you were not. And I have plenty of flaws. One of them is the hope that I can actual come to some sort of understanding with you, when what you ultimately seem to desire is an argument. I would like this to be a fun debate about a fun franchise and sharing ideas and concept. Instead I am dumb enough to argue with people, who clearly have no intention of thinking of anything being positive. So in that regard, I complete agree with you. It is pityful that I wasted my time talking to people, hoping they would be willing to share positive views. But that might have been my fault. So, let's start over and try a different approach. Tell me about the stuff you love to do. What makes you happy? Oh, and I think I remember name calling being a reason to get banned. If you like, you can report me for it
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 29, 2017 16:45:57 GMT
Welcome to BSN Fan Forum where people will be persecuted and ridiculed for criticizing BioWare games. I appreciate thoughtful, fact-based, objective criticism of Bioware games. I've done some myself. Are you saying you are posting with that intention, of thoughtful and thought-provoking criticism? Because your posts don't come across like that. I'm not saying you do this, but you have to admit that there is the very real possibility that some people who claim to be posting thoughtful criticism are just being salty, using the forum to vent their -- I don't know, disappointment? Frustration? Sadness? -- because they don't know what else to do with it. Misery loves company and looking for other disappointed former-fans to share their disappointment? And the repetition puzzles me. When I post criticism, I have my say once, one and done. I really don't get the point of saying the same complaint over and over and over and over again, in as many different forums as possible. Even the best criticism of MEA doesn't belong in the DAI forum, am I right?
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Post by githcheater on Oct 29, 2017 17:19:17 GMT
How many different Biofans condescendingly use the term "sweetie" to belittle those that criticize EA? I count at least two.
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Post by githcheater on Oct 29, 2017 17:26:32 GMT
Pat @miracl3work3r Our CFO and CEO are visiting the studio for the next few days....Ive been told not to share this with them.
A Bioware dev implies that showing an "EA kills single player" video to a humorless EA empty suit might get himself fired ...
Hmmm ...
Nothing to see here ... please don't peak behind the curtain.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 29, 2017 18:01:50 GMT
How many different Biofans condescendingly use the term "sweetie" to belittle those that criticize EA? I count at least two. It's a thing, yeah. Not sure who started it. Might even have been me, although I don't tend to make a habit of repeating such terms.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 29, 2017 18:19:50 GMT
How many different Biofans condescendingly use the term "sweetie" to belittle those that criticize EA? I count at least two. It's a thing, yeah. Not sure who started it. Might even have been me, although I don't tend to make a habit of repeating such terms. I’ve seen someone who disliked Bioware use that term.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 29, 2017 18:26:24 GMT
And where #SAVETHEQUARIANS was born. Lol, remember when people here thought Bioware would announce MEA SP dlc on N7 day? Are you STILL using that hashtag? Why not? Is it not still relevent? I mean people will be able to Save them next June when the novel comes out.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 29, 2017 20:42:54 GMT
You obviously fail to understand the fact that name calling someone when debating is unintelligent and immature. And justifying it instead of admitting your flaws. How pitiful. If saying that you were trolling is my worst offense, then I think I'm good. Especially, when compared to generalizing entire genders and more. And isn't saying that someones trolling in the same boat as saying they are pityful? I was not justifying calling you a troll, I was explaining that the reason for me using that term about you, was not rooted in you opposing my arguments, but rather that you were not. And I have plenty of flaws. One of them is the hope that I can actual come to some sort of understanding with you, when what you ultimately seem to desire is an argument. I would like this to be a fun debate about a fun franchise and sharing ideas and concept. Instead I am dumb enough to argue with people, who clearly have no intention of thinking of anything being positive. So in that regard, I complete agree with you. It is pityful that I wasted my time talking to people, hoping they would be willing to share positive views. But that might have been my fault. So, let's start over and try a different approach. Tell me about the stuff you love to do. What makes you happy? Oh, and I think I remember name calling being a reason to get banned. If you like, you can report me for it
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 29, 2017 21:03:01 GMT
Welcome to BSN Fan Forum where people will be persecuted and ridiculed for criticizing BioWare games. I appreciate thoughtful, fact-based, objective criticism of Bioware games. I've done some myself. Are you saying you are posting with that intention, of thoughtful and thought-provoking criticism? Because your posts don't come across like that. I'm not saying you do this, but you have to admit that there is the very real possibility that some people who claim to be posting thoughtful criticism are just being salty, using the forum to vent their -- I don't know, disappointment? Frustration? Sadness? -- because they don't know what else to do with it. Misery loves company and looking for other disappointed former-fans to share their disappointment? And the repetition puzzles me. When I post criticism, I have my say once, one and done. I really don't get the point of saying the same complaint over and over and over and over again, in as many different forums as possible. Even the best criticism of MEA doesn't belong in the DAI forum, am I right? Okay. I don't get your point. I am critiquing BioWare. If I'm not mistaken BioWare is the developer of both games, correct? If both games have the same issue am I not allowed to address them on their individual platforms without being repetitive? Am I missing something?
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 29, 2017 21:11:41 GMT
Well, the trick is to do it without boring anyone.
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