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Post by Walter Black on Nov 29, 2017 15:41:36 GMT
Heck, I don't think that solution should have been in the game to begin with Indeed. Could have been a Blood Magic or Kill Connor as the only two choices, none of that happily traipse off to the Tower stuff. I don't know if I would've gone that far, but I do agree the Tower option to The Arl of Redcliffe was too easy. Here's what I would have done:
1) Save the village with no or very few casualties.
2) Free Jowan and convince him to help.
4) Make a high Intimidation or Persuasion check when first confronting the Desire Demon.
5) Clear out all undead in the castle, right up until Aemon's bedroom.
6)Console Connor with a high Persuasion check.
7) Leave a party member behind to help deal with Connor when the Demon takes control. Alistair and Wynne would be the best choices.
8) Secure the Mages. Bonus points if you have already completed The Broken Circle, but if you haven't you can still save Connor if you plow through and avoid any side quests.
9) Go straight to Redcliffe Castle, enter the Fade and exorcise the Demon.
Once again, if you take too long people will start dying; first Jowan and/or Isolde, then Ser Perth, Murdoch, and the rest of the village. Harsh, but at least this way you would have earned the Mega Happy Ending. Oh well, there's always mods .
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Post by Walter Black on Nov 30, 2017 1:18:37 GMT
Indeed. Could have been a Blood Magic or Kill Connor as the only two choices, none of that happily traipse off to the Tower stuff. I don't know if I would've gone that far, but I do agree the Tower option to The Arl of Redcliffe was too easy. Here's what I would have done:
1) Save the village with no or very few casualties.
2) Free Jowan and convince him to help.
4) Make a high Intimidation or Persuasion check when first confronting the Desire Demon.
5) Clear out all undead in the castle, right up until Aemon's bedroom.
6)Console Connor with a high Persuasion check.
7) Leave a party member behind to help deal with Connor when the Demon takes control. Alistair and Wynne would be the best choices.
8) Secure the Mages. Bonus points if you have already completed The Broken Circle, but if you haven't you can still save Connor if you plow through and avoid any side quests.
9) Go straight to Redcliffe Castle, enter the Fade and exorcise the Demon.
Once again, if you take too long people will start dying; first Jowan and/or Isolde, then Ser Perth, Murdoch, and the rest of the village. Harsh, but at least this way you would have earned the Mega Happy Ending. Oh well, there's always mods .
An alternate option that just occurred to me: if you have Rogek's smuggled lyrium from Precious Metals, and at least two available mages, I would rewrite The Arl of Redcliffe so you should be able to use that to power the exorcism. Lives are one thing, but gold and XP? Now that's sacrifice
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Post by XJlock on Nov 30, 2017 6:40:11 GMT
Elves being the focus did not bother me.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 30, 2017 7:11:59 GMT
To be honest I want future games to focus on the Dwarves/Qunari.
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Post by JokeDealer on Nov 30, 2017 8:52:22 GMT
Short Answer? Not at all.
Long Answer? The focus on Solas and the Elven lore didn't bother me at all because it gave answers that affected all of the lore in Thedas, which only raised more questions. Moving into the next Dragon Age game, I can see the supposed Tevinter setting being used to answer some of the questions regarding the Black City and the Darkspawn that Inquisition presented.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 30, 2017 8:58:43 GMT
To be honest I want future games to focus on the Dwarves/Qunari I agree with you. We've had pretty strong hints that there is a connection between the dwarves and the elves via the Titans and I think the latter are key to a lot of mysteries but it would be interesting to learn more. However, I would also really like to know more about the Kal Sharok dwarves because there have only been teasing hints at something intriguing there. Since we are travelling north and are likely to get embroiled in the war between Tevinter and the Qunari, I really hope we get some more information on the origins of the Qunari, particularly their link with dragons, why they came to Par Vollen when they did and who exactly was Koslun? If DG didn't get his dates muddled in the comic series, I'd also like to know how the Qunari supposedly knew about Calenhad? They first arrived in Par Vollen some ninety years after Calenhad was crowned. However, Calenhad was said to have disappeared at the end of his reign, after handing over rule to his son, in order to look for his old friend, Aldenon, so did he take ship to the east and so did they learn about his secret from his own lips?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 30, 2017 9:02:48 GMT
If DG didn't get his dates muddled in the comic series, I'd also like to know how the Qunari supposedly knew about Calenhad? What did they say about him? And was it worded in a way that suggests this was some sort of unique knowledge they couldn't have heard from elsewhere? It's not like there aren't legends of Calenhad floating around they could have heard from outside sources, or new converts.
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Post by davesin on Nov 30, 2017 15:45:09 GMT
If DG didn't get his dates muddled in the comic series, I'd also like to know how the Qunari supposedly knew about Calenhad? What did they say about him? And was it worded in a way that suggests this was some sort of unique knowledge they couldn't have heard from elsewhere? It's not like there aren't legends of Calenhad floating around they could have heard from outside sources, or new converts. Sten (or, well, Arishok) says that Calenhad was a Reaver. I haven't read the comic though, just the article on wiki, so I can't say how unique (or Qunari-only) it is.
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Post by theascendent on Nov 30, 2017 16:14:48 GMT
Never trust the Qunari.
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Post by Walter Black on Nov 30, 2017 16:17:41 GMT
What did they say about him? And was it worded in a way that suggests this was some sort of unique knowledge they couldn't have heard from elsewhere? It's not like there aren't legends of Calenhad floating around they could have heard from outside sources, or new converts. Sten (or, well, Arishok) says that Calenhad was a Reaver. I haven't read the comic though, just the article on wiki, so I can't say how unique (or Qunari-only) it is. This is what I always assumed, that the Qunari got that information on Calenhad from their own dragon-blooded racial memory. Now, you could argue that they only had images and made assumptions to fill in the gaps, or made the whole thing up, but I lean towards believing them. Being a Reaver makes Calenhad more interesting (even if it did turn Alistair into more of a snowflake ), and making up such a preposterous scenario doesn't gel with the overall Qun we've seen thus far. Telling the truth in this instance lets them keep some of their alieness, IMO.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 30, 2017 21:03:49 GMT
I have the actual comic book. When Sten recounts the history of Calenhad he says "But we know Calenhad for what he was, the dog-handler who would be more. He then goes on to recount how Calenhad struck bargains and traded stories until he finally acquired a secret that he could trade with a witch (Flemeth?) to learn the ways of power. She sent him to a cave where he drank the blood of a dying Great Dragon. This was the source of his power but apparently (presumably because it was a great dragon that he drank from) it was also hereditary. (This story seems to contradict the tales in which it was Aldenon the Wise who assisted his rise to power, so apparently it would seem that version of the tale is likely to be quietly forgotten, which is a pity as I rather liked Aldenon as a character.
Now the bit that had me puzzled was the "WE know". It was implying that they knew something that most people were not aware of. It just seems odd to me that an alien race should have this knowledge when they did not arrive until nearly a century after Calenhad and then were at war with the majority of Thedas for some 150 years following that. Hardly a situation where they would be interested in acquiring knowledge of some obscure foreign king. Even if some captured person knew a story about Calenhad that apparently no one else did, why would the Qunari have given it credence?
So where did they acquire the knowledge. From Calenhad himself? From the witch? Why was it something that was considered important teaching among the Qunari?
There was another interesting quote from the tome of Koslun about the Old Gods suggesting they were definitely more than simply dragons. Which would suggest that Koslun must have travelled Thedas at a time when the Old Gods were active.
So the Qunari leadership at least, apparently know things that everyone else has either forgotten or never knew in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 22:06:12 GMT
I kind of feel the same way about the Dalish that Solas does, but city elves and ancient elves are interesting. So, in the net, I liked the elven emphasis of DAI. But I found your thread title very confusing. How can there be an "Elven protagonist," when I'm pretty sure Sandal is a dwarf? Meant as "Elven protagonist gets loots of goodies vs other races 'cause Solas". Most folks interpreted me asking this question as "Did it make you dislike the game?" while what I thought I was asking was : "So, is that why you like the game?" I asked it after I saw that people predominantly played the elves on another thread, at least on this forum.
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Post by duskwanderer on Dec 1, 2017 4:05:07 GMT
I was just wondering if the strong Elven leanings of the Inquisition made the game appealing to you? No. In fact, I found it annoying. I think the game would have been a lot better if it had a revelation for all races, rather than just one.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 1, 2017 6:26:37 GMT
In a way, yes, but negatively, even though (or perhaps because) I play and love elves. I felt like they bulldozed over a lot of elven lore that I had previously adored. And I was also annoyed that the elf-only super duper important romance was female-only, as I don't often play females, and when I do, I don't romance males.
Just, I really didn't appreciate destroying the entire elven panthean, making a human woman an elven "goddess," and turning the Dalish into softcore mage murderers.
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Post by theascendent on Dec 1, 2017 8:23:54 GMT
I get the feeling that maybe a city elf would've been more appropriate, considering our Dalish PC supposed ignorance of Elven lore and things they should probably know given their background. A city elf from a Circle, for a Mage, or from Orlais would've given us the challenges of being an Elf in Thedas presents but a human mindset and education, hence our ignorance regarding Elven history and mythos.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 1, 2017 13:28:00 GMT
I get the feeling that maybe a city elf would've been more appropriate, considering our Dalish PC supposed ignorance of Elven lore and things they should probably know given their background. A city elf from a Circle, for a Mage, or from Orlais would've given us the challenges of being an Elf in Thedas presents but a human mindset and education, hence our ignorance regarding Elven history and mythos. On the face of it this would have made a lot more sense, which is why I get the feeling they wanted to make the PC Dalish simply so they could beat you over the head with how "wrong" they were about everything and diminish the validity of their culture, particularly when it came to their attitude to mage children which actually made them appear worse than the Chantry. (It has to be remembered that new players would not be aware of how this contradicted previous lore). Solas could not have been so hostile to a city elf on the basis of the attitude of the Dalish clan he had encountered. He couldn't use the excuse of wanting to tell you how you have slave markings on your face to avoid coming clean about who he was. Sera couldn't rub your nose in it about the discoveries in the Arbor Wilds or make it a choice between your beliefs and her when it came to romance/friendship. Plus a city elf would have likely wanted to take issue with her about her attitude towards showing solidarity with other elves. I got the sense they were setting up the Dalish for being killed off in the future. Even Maryden's song "Mercy for the Elves" in Trespasser seemed to hint that the Dalish son might not survive the fight. When you consider what a travesty of a depiction of the Dalish was in Masked Empire, I just think the writers don't particularly like them any more. Strangely enough, I was far more a city elf at heart before DAI but because of the way they treated the Dalish and immersing myself in playing one, I became far more attached to them than previously.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 13:35:44 GMT
Eh, I would not worry about many players. Everything you are talking about is really news to me, I have not noticed any negative aspects of playing an elven maiden that the game really wanted me to play. I don’t think that you can pick that much lore from just playing the games, only the superficial bits here and there, like city elves worship the Maker and live in misery, and Dalish love their halla & are nomadic. I think you really do need to go looking for extra lore in books and codex, they do not really give a lot of it in conversations.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 1, 2017 14:41:51 GMT
I kind of feel the same way about the Dalish that Solas does, but city elves and ancient elves are interesting. So, in the net, I liked the elven emphasis of DAI. But I found your thread title very confusing. How can there be an "Elven protagonist," when I'm pretty sure Sandal is a dwarf? Meant as "Elven protagonist gets loots of goodies vs other races 'cause Solas". Most folks interpreted me asking this question as "Did it make you dislike the game?" while what I thought I was asking was : "So, is that why you like the game?" I asked it after I saw that people predominantly played the elves on another thread, at least on this forum. I would say no, it didn't matter to me. There are a lot of different stories to build not just the Solavellan. The others are equally strong. At least to me.
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Post by phoray on Dec 1, 2017 14:46:04 GMT
"So, is that why you like the game?" I asked it after I saw that people predominantly played the elves on another thread, at least on this forum. I think that's selection bias. Solasmancers make up a good amount of the recurring users due to his storyline being unresolved, I think it causes them to connect with other folk about it more. The only attraction about the egghead I feel is the inherent tragedy they could tap next game with him. AS for base game egghead, he's pretty dull from my point of view.
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Post by phoray on Dec 1, 2017 14:48:26 GMT
I think you really do need to go looking for extra lore in books and codex, they do not really give a lot of it in conversations. Why I strongly think they should do Origins again. Tevinter is drastically different from the south and new players need proper intros, not exposition dumps by "I know your own culture better than you do" jerks.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 1, 2017 15:11:55 GMT
"So, is that why you like the game?" I asked it after I saw that people predominantly played the elves on another thread, at least on this forum. Non-human players tend to be over represented in online forums where fans congregate. Humans, 1/4 of the race choice, are 50%, while only 2/3 of the elf classes are represented in significant numbers for 25%. Elf rogues, plus all of the other class and race combinations -- six possibilities -- make up the other 25%. Telemetry from EA itself, taken directly from the game, is far more accurate than the various Reddit polls and such that people occasionally post.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 15:44:05 GMT
"So, is that why you like the game?" I asked it after I saw that people predominantly played the elves on another thread, at least on this forum. Non-human players tend to be over represented in online forums where fans congregate. Humans, 1/4 of the race choice, are 50%, while only 2/3 of the elf classes are represented in significant numbers for 25%. Elf rogues, plus all of the other class and race combinations -- six possibilities -- make up the other 25%. Telemetry from EA itself, taken directly from the game, is far more accurate than the various Reddit polls and such that people occasionally post. Well, I only hang on this forum, so I was interested in the opinions of the folks specifically on this forum. So, I asked.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 1, 2017 16:15:49 GMT
It's an interesting assumption, @carefull ; I did play an elven inquisitor, and in fact played many, many more thanks to mods, but I actually quite dislike the game.
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Post by Felya87 on Dec 1, 2017 17:36:05 GMT
I loved play eleven Inquisitors. I played at least four times Inquisition with an elven Inquisitor, and is definitely my favourite race. The elven lore in DAI is very interesting too, and definitely added to my fun with the game. I would owever had preferred a City Elf background, and I hope to have the chance in the next DA, if we don't play again the Inquisitor.
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 3, 2017 22:55:37 GMT
Hmm. I think always knew they'd go that way with the story. It screams 'I'm oppressed. Please listen' crap. However, I highly DOUBT that this is what Gaider had in mind for DA when he wrote it.
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