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Post by warden on Dec 4, 2017 0:10:07 GMT
Hmm. I think always knew they'd go that way with the story. It screams 'I'm oppressed. Please listen' crap. However, I highly DOUBT that this is what Gaider had in mind for DA when he wrote it. Well and now Weekes, a Mass Effect writer has been the writing leader of the last DA products and is leading the next DA installment too, which doesn't help much to raise my expectations. in fact if you played the ME series you can notice that his ME style is slowly mixing in DA world, and i don't like it. ME is ME and DA is DA i don't like when they try to mix both things, they should remain separate styles.
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Post by aslightjump on Dec 4, 2017 0:40:54 GMT
I was perfectly happy to have an elf-focused game this time around, as DA2 was human-focused and overall I found DAO very balanced. DA4, however, should 'focus' or explore another race as best it can IMO. I realize we have the continuing Solas storyline, but unless that's getting wrapped up in DA4 there's no reason we can't take a closer look at say the Qunari. I would include the dwarves but my opinions on the Deep Roads, even after Descent, are still very low.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 4, 2017 1:45:57 GMT
Well and now Weekes, a Mass Effect writer has been the writing leader of the last DA products and is leading the next DA installment too, which doesn't help much to raise my expectations. David Gaider was still the lead for the base game of DAI where these themes were introduced. In addition, the plot for DAI, that he worked on, was essentially split in half. So there will still be DG's influence in the next DA.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 4, 2017 5:51:09 GMT
DAO screams "I'm oppressed, please listen" at least as much as later installments.
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Post by N7Valentine on Dec 4, 2017 9:49:25 GMT
I always played with every race but it was nice to dig deeper into elvhen lore
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 5, 2017 20:06:04 GMT
DAO screams "I'm oppressed, please listen" at least as much as later installments. I’m not sure what you mean here. May I ask how so?
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 5, 2017 20:24:26 GMT
DAO screams "I'm oppressed, please listen" at least as much as later installments. I’m not sure what you mean here. May I ask how so? I guess you never played elf, dwarf commoner or mage then?
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 5, 2017 20:47:00 GMT
I’m not sure what you mean here. May I ask how so? I guess you never played elf, dwarf commoner or mage then? Actually, I usually play female/Elf Mage, or female Human/mage. But no, I never played a Dwarf. Sure there is a bit of race difference there with how people react, but I wouldn't call it oppression. :/ EDIT TO ADD: I always hated that in Inquisition, EVERYONE just accepted an Elf or Qunari or Dwarf, WITHOUT question, as Inquisitor. Race and Religion was NEVER an issue, for anyone. You always became the Herald/Inquisitor. Which is bullshit!
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Post by Catilina on Dec 5, 2017 21:19:21 GMT
I guess you never played elf, dwarf commoner or mage then? Actually, I usually play female/Elf Mage, or female Human/mage. But no, I never played a Dwarf. Sure there is a bit of race difference there with how people react, but I wouldn't call it oppression. :/ EDIT TO ADD: I always hated that in Inquisition, EVERYONE just accepted an Elf or Qunari or Dwarf, WITHOUT question, as Inquisitor. Race and Religion was NEVER an issue, for anyone. You always became the Herald/Inquisitor. Which is bullshit! Yes, it's bullshit. Or just shows, how important is the Inquisitor's hand. The marked hand probably not working without the living host: so Inquisitor's very important, whatever is s/he, s/he's a helping HAND.
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 5, 2017 21:25:46 GMT
Actually, I usually play female/Elf Mage, or female Human/mage. But no, I never played a Dwarf. Sure there is a bit of race difference there with how people react, but I wouldn't call it oppression. :/ EDIT TO ADD: I always hated that in Inquisition, EVERYONE just accepted an Elf or Qunari or Dwarf, WITHOUT question, as Inquisitor. Race and Religion was NEVER an issue, for anyone. You always became the Herald/Inquisitor. Which is bullshit! Yes, it's bullshit. Or just shows, how important is the Inquisitor's hand. The marked hand probably not working without the living host: so Inquisitor's very important, whatever is s/he, s/he's a helping HAND. Not to pick a bone, BUT YOU, Catillina, have been asked NOT to quote me. SEVERAL TIMES now. If you have something to say to another poster, say it to them. Leave me out of it!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2017 21:31:26 GMT
I guess you never played elf, dwarf commoner or mage then? Actually, I usually play female/Elf Mage, or female Human/mage. But no, I never played a Dwarf. Sure there is a bit of race difference there with how people react, but I wouldn't call it oppression. :/ They are most likely referring to the Elf if you choose the City Elf or Dalish Elf origin since the game reacts to you being an elf more with those than the Circe Mage Elf which reacts more to you being a mage.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 5, 2017 21:33:43 GMT
Yes, it's bullshit. Or just shows, how important is the Inquisitor's hand. The marked hand probably not working without the living host: so Inquisitor's very important, whatever is s/he, s/he's a helping HAND. Not to pick a bone, BUT YOU, Catillina, have been asked NOT to quote me. SEVERAL TIMES now. If you have something to say to another poster, say it to them. Leave me out of it! Peace, my lady, I didn't insult you.
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 5, 2017 21:35:37 GMT
Actually, I usually play female/Elf Mage, or female Human/mage. But no, I never played a Dwarf. Sure there is a bit of race difference there with how people react, but I wouldn't call it oppression. :/ They are most likely referring to the Elf if you choose the City Elf or Dalish Elf origin since the reacts to you being an elf more with those than the Circe Mage Elf which reacts more to you being a mage. But the WAY people in the world of DA react isn't oppressive, so much as its racist. There is a bit a of a difference. I have a mixed race Sister. People will often call her for her skin colour, but would have zero chance of oppressing her.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2017 21:36:49 GMT
They are most likely referring to the Elf if you choose the City Elf or Dalish Elf origin since the reacts to you being an elf more with those than the Circe Mage Elf which reacts more to you being a mage. But the WAY people in the world of DA react isn't oppressive, so much as its racist. There is a bit a of a difference. I have a mixed race Sister. People will often call her for her skin colour, but would have zero chance of oppressing her. The base game perhaps, but the Dwarf Commoner and City Elf Origins are definitely oppressive.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 5, 2017 21:38:25 GMT
I guess you never played elf, dwarf commoner or mage then? Actually, I usually play female/Elf Mage, or female Human/mage. But no, I never played a Dwarf. Sure there is a bit of race difference there with how people react, but I wouldn't call it oppression. :/ EDIT TO ADD: I always hated that in Inquisition, EVERYONE just accepted an Elf or Qunari or Dwarf, WITHOUT question, as Inquisitor. Race and Religion was NEVER an issue, for anyone. You always became the Herald/Inquisitor. Which is bullshit! Hmmm...to me Jowan seemed very into the whole "I'm oppressed, please listen, help me escape this oppression". So did Uldreds cabal. Well they went into nutcase rebellion instead. I find it everywhere in DAO, just as in the following games because there really is a lot of oppression in the world of Thedas.
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 5, 2017 21:39:12 GMT
Not to pick a bone, BUT YOU, Catillina, have been asked NOT to quote me. SEVERAL TIMES now. If you have something to say to another poster, say it to them. Leave me out of it! Peace, my lady, I didn't insult you. No. You just got your forum friends to do it for you. Which makes YOU, little more than a class room bully. Except THIS isn't school, and I'm a 35 year old mother. So grow up and kindly bugger off, like I've already asked. Or I will report you again.
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 5, 2017 21:46:42 GMT
Actually, I usually play female/Elf Mage, or female Human/mage. But no, I never played a Dwarf. Sure there is a bit of race difference there with how people react, but I wouldn't call it oppression. :/ EDIT TO ADD: I always hated that in Inquisition, EVERYONE just accepted an Elf or Qunari or Dwarf, WITHOUT question, as Inquisitor. Race and Religion was NEVER an issue, for anyone. You always became the Herald/Inquisitor. Which is bullshit! Hmmm...to me Jowan seemed very into the whole "I'm oppressed, please listen, help me escape this oppression". So did Uldreds cabal. Well they went into nutcase rebellion instead. I find it everywhere in DAO, just as in the following games because there really is a lot of oppression in the world of Thedas. I agree about Jowan. But was he oppressed or just in love with the wrong girl/woman and got blinded? I suppose it's easy to see oppression from the outside looking in
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 5, 2017 21:49:38 GMT
But the WAY people in the world of DA react isn't oppressive, so much as its racist. There is a bit a of a difference. I have a mixed race Sister. People will often call her for her skin colour, but would have zero chance of oppressing her. The base game yes, but the Dwarf Commoner and City Elf Origins are definitely oppressive. In Orzammar the casteless are branded as cattle. "Brand" I guess is somewhat like the n-word and the brand itself likens the david star. It is of course dialed down compared to our real world. Some take it stoically and others not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 22:01:31 GMT
Was Jowan an Elf? Been a while... he felt like an Anders' prototype to me, maybe both Anders and Merril's even. Certainly extremely afraid of the consequences of failing the Harrowing so I would say he was opressed... but I might be mixing characters up.
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 5, 2017 22:05:22 GMT
Was Jowan an Elf? Been a while... he felt like an Anders' prototype to me, maybe both Anders and Merril's even. Certainly extremely afraid of the consequences of failing the Harrowing so I would say he was opressed... but I might be mixing characters up. Jowan was human. Or a close approximate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 22:07:23 GMT
Then the thread *really* ran away on me.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 5, 2017 22:08:44 GMT
Peace, my lady, I didn't insult you. No. You just got your forum friends to do it for you. Which makes YOU, little more than a class room bully. Except THIS isn't school, and I'm a 35 year old mother. So grow up and kindly bugger off, like I've already asked. Or I will report you again. Did you report me already? Because of my forum friends? Oh. I'm a Godfather.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 22:13:01 GMT
You guys gonna achieve a closure of a thread about a story's focus on elves with a sort of a yes/no drift. Why me?
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 5, 2017 22:13:17 GMT
No. You just got your forum friends to do it for you. Which makes YOU, little more than a class room bully. Except THIS isn't school, and I'm a 35 year old mother. So grow up and kindly bugger off, like I've already asked. Or I will report you again. Did you report me already? Because of my forum friends? Oh. I'm a Godfather. I reported you for being a dick. Just like you are now. STOP with the harassment already!
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 5, 2017 22:16:09 GMT
Then the thread *really* ran away on me. Why're you encouraging him to harass me? Maybe someone should do it to you. It isn't fun. Or nice. You want his attention. Take it with my blessing pal!
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