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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 22:20:08 GMT
Then the thread *really* ran away on me. Why're you encouraging him to harass me? Maybe someone should do it to you. It isn't fun. Or nice. You want his attention. Take it with my blessing pal! What I meant was I thought maybe Jowan was an elf, like someone said Alistair is actually an h-e. I was trying to figure out how it came to Jowan. I happen to be interested in what peeps respond in answer to my question.
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 5, 2017 22:22:52 GMT
Why're you encouraging him to harass me? Maybe someone should do it to you. It isn't fun. Or nice. You want his attention. Take it with my blessing pal! What I meant was I thought maybe Jowan was an elf. I was trying to figure out how it came to Jowan. I happen to be interested in what peeps respond in answer to my question. Oh. I apologize.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 22:32:06 GMT
What I meant was I thought maybe Jowan was an elf. I was trying to figure out how it came to Jowan. I happen to be interested in what peeps respond in answer to my question. Oh. I apologize. No biggie.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 6, 2017 2:37:27 GMT
Actually, I usually play female/Elf Mage, or female Human/mage. But no, I never played a Dwarf. Sure there is a bit of race difference there with how people react, but I wouldn't call it oppression. :/ But the WAY people in the world of DA react isn't oppressive, so much as its racist. There is a bit a of a difference. I have a mixed race Sister. People will often call her for her skin colour, but would have zero chance of oppressing her. There is a difference between saying things that are insulting (knife ear, brand, etc) and showing an oppressive society. DAO does show quite a bit of oppression and you don't have to actually play through the origin to see it (this is not so much the case with the mage origin, which offers a different perspective than you see when the tower is under crisis). The mage origin has ambient dialogue about the templars watching as they bathe. You're not allowed to leave the tower. You can talk to tranquil and form your own views on tranquility. The Harrowing is presented as a forced test and it's made known you will be killed if you fail. Jowan and his whining aside, there is quite a bit there to experience. The city elf and casteless dwarf origins are the same. You are at the lowest rung of society, you are mostly limited to your districts, you essentially have no control over your own life. I would say that the casteless are presented as the more dire, since the only way to get by is to become a criminal, or, if a woman, to whore yourself out and hope that you produce a male heir for a noble (men can do the same, but I'd imagine the path is quite a bit more difficult). The structure of dwarven belief means that deciding to leave for the surface is a mental barrier. Even Zerlinda, who has been cast out of her house because of her bastard child, has to be talked into (if the player takes that path) going to the surface for a better life. As terrible as is the lot of the city elf, they do have the option of leaving, or joining the Dalish, without those same mental barriers a dwarf will have in going to the surface. Even beyond that, there is quite an informative dialogue in the Denerim marketplace with an Orlesian woman who tells you about her experience there with the Chevalier. As Sera says, "If they want your food, they take your food; if they want your wife, they take your wife." That IS oppression.
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 6, 2017 5:34:25 GMT
Actually, I usually play female/Elf Mage, or female Human/mage. But no, I never played a Dwarf. Sure there is a bit of race difference there with how people react, but I wouldn't call it oppression. :/ But the WAY people in the world of DA react isn't oppressive, so much as its racist. There is a bit a of a difference. I have a mixed race Sister. People will often call her for her skin colour, but would have zero chance of oppressing her. There is a difference between saying things that are insulting (knife ear, brand, etc) and showing an oppressive society. DAO does show quite a bit of oppression and you don't have to actually play through the origin to see it (this is not so much the case with the mage origin, which offers a different perspective than you see when the tower is under crisis). The mage origin has ambient dialogue about the templars watching as they bathe. You're not allowed to leave the tower. You can talk to tranquil and form your own views on tranquility. The Harrowing is presented as a forced test and it's made known you will be killed if you fail. Jowan and his whining aside, there is quite a bit there to experience. The city elf and casteless dwarf origins are the same. You are at the lowest rung of society, you are mostly limited to your districts, you essentially have no control over your own life. I would say that the casteless are presented as the more dire, since the only way to get by is to become a criminal, or, if a woman, to whore yourself out and hope that you produce a male heir for a noble (men can do the same, but I'd imagine the path is quite a bit more difficult). The structure of dwarven belief means that deciding to leave for the surface is a mental barrier. Even Zerlinda, who has been cast out of her house because of her bastard child, has to be talked into (if the player takes that path) going to the surface for a better life. As terrible as is the lot of the city elf, they do have the option of leaving, or joining the Dalish, without those same mental barriers a dwarf will have in going to the surface. Even beyond that, there is quite an informative dialogue in the Denerim marketplace with an Orlesian woman who tells you about her experience there with the Chevalier. As Sera says, "If they want your food, they take your food; if they want your wife, they take your wife." That IS oppression. The City Elf -I can’t speak of the dwarf because I haven’t played it- I can see being oppressed. Women being taken and raped. The men killed. But the mages, not. They were only stopped from going outside thanks to Anders and one of his many escape attempts. Which can be heard about during Witch Hunt. Plus, More than 60% wanted to stay in the circle. Does that sound like an oppressed society to you? Because it certainly doesn’t to me. In fact, it sounds like a majority are happy with how things are. EDIT: And even years after that fool blew up Kirkwall, the Mages STILL wanted the circle. That is not oppression. 😊
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 6, 2017 9:20:36 GMT
The City Elf -I can’t speak of the dwarf because I haven’t played it- I can see being oppressed. Women being taken and raped. The men killed. But the mages, not. They were only stopped from going outside thanks to Anders and one of his many escape attempts. Which can be heard about during Witch Hunt. Plus, More than 60% wanted to stay in the circle. Does that sound like an oppressed society to you? Because it certainly doesn’t to me. In fact, it sounds like a majority are happy with how things are. EDIT: And even years after that fool blew up Kirkwall, the Mages STILL wanted the circle. That is not oppression. 😊 As I said, you don't have to play through the casteless dwarf origin to see that, nor the city elf one. If you can't walk into Dust Town as a non-dwarf Warden, look at the conditions, talk to the people there, and not see oppression, well I dunno what to tell you. As for the mages, part of the issue there is the general attitude of the non-mage populace, perpetuated by the Chantry itself. Mages are in danger in the outside world, as evidenced by the childhood experiences of people like Wynne and Minaeve. In addition, even Anders admits that the Circle is the only place a mage can get a decent education and training. Add that to guaranteed shelter and warm meals and I'm sure that many would consider that preferable over the alternative. But that doesn't mean they aren't oppressed and that it's not an overall oppressive system. Not all slaves were beaten and abused under chattel slavery, and some elected to stay with their former masters after being freed by the Civil War, but that doesn't mean they weren't oppressed. Circles have beatings, rapes, people thrown into solitary confinement for extended periods, any babies born to Circle mages, whether as a result of rape or a consensual relationship, are forcibly removed and generally not even told of their parents (Rhys and Wynne was an exception due to Wynne's status). And there's just the general fact that, while some saw that the Circle was bad, not all were willing to take those steps to fully rebel, including the violence that comes along with such a rebellion. Rhys was such a person toward the beginning of Asunder, but changed his mind as the book wore on. People like Wynne see multiple sides of the issue, but that doesn't mean she thinks the status quo is great, either. And some people just generally don't care what happens to others as long as they are safe. So yeah, I think it does sound oppressive, and your use of emoji there wasn't cute.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 6, 2017 9:32:57 GMT
I hate elves in fantasy generally, because they're boring and overused. Yeah, yeah, Lord of the Rings was great, now write your own damn thing, you hacks.
The 'lore' is fine, but the fact that it is specifically elven lore and not some other race's law just makes it feel like I'm reading a bad LOTR au dark!fic, where all the good elves were actually genocidal slavelords, and Sauron was a misunderstood bad boy.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 6, 2017 9:51:27 GMT
There is a difference between saying things that are insulting (knife ear, brand, etc) and showing an oppressive society. DAO does show quite a bit of oppression and you don't have to actually play through the origin to see it (this is not so much the case with the mage origin, which offers a different perspective than you see when the tower is under crisis). The mage origin has ambient dialogue about the templars watching as they bathe. You're not allowed to leave the tower. You can talk to tranquil and form your own views on tranquility. The Harrowing is presented as a forced test and it's made known you will be killed if you fail. Jowan and his whining aside, there is quite a bit there to experience. The city elf and casteless dwarf origins are the same. You are at the lowest rung of society, you are mostly limited to your districts, you essentially have no control over your own life. I would say that the casteless are presented as the more dire, since the only way to get by is to become a criminal, or, if a woman, to whore yourself out and hope that you produce a male heir for a noble (men can do the same, but I'd imagine the path is quite a bit more difficult). The structure of dwarven belief means that deciding to leave for the surface is a mental barrier. Even Zerlinda, who has been cast out of her house because of her bastard child, has to be talked into (if the player takes that path) going to the surface for a better life. As terrible as is the lot of the city elf, they do have the option of leaving, or joining the Dalish, without those same mental barriers a dwarf will have in going to the surface. Even beyond that, there is quite an informative dialogue in the Denerim marketplace with an Orlesian woman who tells you about her experience there with the Chevalier. As Sera says, "If they want your food, they take your food; if they want your wife, they take your wife." That IS oppression. The City Elf -I can’t speak of the dwarf because I haven’t played it- I can see being oppressed. Women being taken and raped. The men killed. But the mages, not. They were only stopped from going outside thanks to Anders and one of his many escape attempts. Which can be heard about during Witch Hunt. Plus, More than 60% wanted to stay in the circle. Does that sound like an oppressed society to you? Because it certainly doesn’t to me. In fact, it sounds like a majority are happy with how things are.
EDIT: And even years after that fool blew up Kirkwall, the Mages STILL wanted the circle. That is not oppression. 😊 I'm sure most of the Mages are happy being raped, tranquillized or killed by the Templars, just because of the Templars able to do to them anything without consequences (no, not only in Kirkwall). Their children are the Chantry property, and they aren't able to live in a family or in love. I'm sure, everyone would be happy in such a circumstances! Yes, not every Circle so terrible as Kirkwall, but the best Circle still is oppression. People usually say that the Calenhad Tower is a "good" Circle, but still a prison. Not only Anders was who tried to escape. He was who didn't give up even after failures. And do not blame Anders for the Templars' cruelty. The oppressors often use the collective punishment to turn oppressed people against each other. Some slaves want to stay in their master's hause, because the freedom is unknown and scary. Many mages didn't know anything but the Circle, just as a slave who doesn't know his/her family, because born as a slave or kidnapped in childhood. After Kirkwall, the Circles rebelled (Hawke in Inquisition, and many others said). If so many mages hate the freedom. Anders' spark wouldn't able to set the world on fire. If the Circle-system weren't oppression, Meredith and her mobs would not have been able to run amok for years without any consequences. And as I said: Kirkwall Circle perhaps was the crueller (I'm not sure), but the others were still prisons, and in every Circle, the Mages' life only depends on the Templar Commander's and the Templars' whim. If they were decent wo/men, who remembered, what they work meaning, the Circle was a bit more bearable (Many slaves treated as family members – this isn't mean the slavery is acceptable). The point is: if a group of people's lives depend on other people's whim, IS oppression. Many people condemn Anders (in fact, probably the majority) but only a few deny the oppression's existence inside the Circles – even among the people, who supports the Circle-system.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 7, 2017 18:05:28 GMT
I don't really care for Vivienne, but I think she was right about the Circles all being vastly different from one another. That's why Anders can be right about the horrors of rape and abuse going on in them, while Vivienne can talk at length about how awesome it was to learn magic from her follow mages while she was in one. The fact that there doesn't appear to be any kind of standard for how a Circle can be run is probably one of their biggest faults and why mages were so divided over the issue. Some mages lived in relative luxury while others were slaves in all but name.
Also, there's the fact that being free from the Circle won't exactly stop mages from being raped and abused from assholes in shining armor, if Sera can be believed. Thedas is a crappy place to live in general.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 7, 2017 19:33:51 GMT
I don't really care for Vivienne, but I think she was right about the Circles all being vastly different from one another. That's why Anders can be right about the horrors of rape and abuse going on in them, while Vivienne can talk at length about how awesome it was to learn magic from her follow mages while she was in one. The fact that there doesn't appear to be any kind of standard for how a Circle can be run is probably one of their biggest faults and why mages were so divided over the issue. Some mages lived in relative luxury while others were slaves in all but name. Also, there's the fact that being free from the Circle won't exactly stop mages from being raped and abused from assholes in shining armor, if Sera can be believed. Thedas is a crappy place to live in general. The point is, the system allows the terrible Circles just as the better ones (still prisons), and everything that happens inside only depend on the Knight Commander's whim (and on the Grand Cleric, who appoints the Knight Commander...) Some mages in the worse Circle even were able to accept the life inside the Circle, because this was their home and their family – most of them didn't remember another home and family. Just remember Orana: her master (Hadriana) was a terrible, cruel woman, who killed her family (her father), and her fellows, but he still asks Hawke, don't hurt her. She afraid of the freedom: she grateful to Hawke, even if s/he wants her as a slave. This similar than the Mages, who insist their bad Circles. And who lives in "luxury" Circles? Or as some "fashionable accessory" of a noble in Orlais? Still not freedom, just for a slave who is a valuable property of a good master. Some slaves live very well. The system allows it.
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 7, 2017 21:46:12 GMT
The City Elf -I can’t speak of the dwarf because I haven’t played it- I can see being oppressed. Women being taken and raped. The men killed. But the mages, not. They were only stopped from going outside thanks to Anders and one of his many escape attempts. Which can be heard about during Witch Hunt. Plus, More than 60% wanted to stay in the circle. Does that sound like an oppressed society to you? Because it certainly doesn’t to me. In fact, it sounds like a majority are happy with how things are. EDIT: And even years after that fool blew up Kirkwall, the Mages STILL wanted the circle. That is not oppression. 😊 As I said, you don't have to play through the casteless dwarf origin to see that, nor the city elf one. If you can't walk into Dust Town as a non-dwarf Warden, look at the conditions, talk to the people there, and not see oppression, well I dunno what to tell you. As for the mages, part of the issue there is the general attitude of the non-mage populace, perpetuated by the Chantry itself. Mages are in danger in the outside world, as evidenced by the childhood experiences of people like Wynne and Minaeve. In addition, even Anders admits that the Circle is the only place a mage can get a decent education and training. Add that to guaranteed shelter and warm meals and I'm sure that many would consider that preferable over the alternative. But that doesn't mean they aren't oppressed and that it's not an overall oppressive system. Not all slaves were beaten and abused under chattel slavery, and some elected to stay with their former masters after being freed by the Civil War, but that doesn't mean they weren't oppressed. Circles have beatings, rapes, people thrown into solitary confinement for extended periods, any babies born to Circle mages, whether as a result of rape or a consensual relationship, are forcibly removed and generally not even told of their parents (Rhys and Wynne was an exception due to Wynne's status). And there's just the general fact that, while some saw that the Circle was bad, not all were willing to take those steps to fully rebel, including the violence that comes along with such a rebellion. Rhys was such a person toward the beginning of Asunder, but changed his mind as the book wore on. People like Wynne see multiple sides of the issue, but that doesn't mean she thinks the status quo is great, either. And some people just generally don't care what happens to others as long as they are safe. So yeah, I think it does sound oppressive, and your use of emoji there wasn't cute. Lets just agree to disagree about the whole Mage thing. You have your view, I have mine. I'm not interested in discussing it further, since discussing it with people 'like you' only sets you off and has people like you going off to find others who share your mind-set, to start calling me a nutter for being different to you. Now go in peace!
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 7, 2017 23:57:47 GMT
Just removed a difficult exchange between two posters. I'm not particularly apportioning blame because life is complicated and we all have our own perspectives. I'd ask all participants to report issues they have rather than making it into a public pie fight... On with the thread, please.
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 8, 2017 1:38:36 GMT
I LOVE how people believe that you ignore something enough, it goes away. IT DOESN'T.
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 8, 2017 1:41:20 GMT
Just removed a difficult exchange between two posters. I'm not particularly apportioning blame because life is complicated and we all have our own perspectives. I'd ask all participants to report issues they have rather than making it into a public pie fight... On with the thread, please. Answer.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 8, 2017 4:41:54 GMT
Lets just agree to disagree about the whole Mage thing. You have your view, I have mine. I'm not interested in discussing it further... You should have just ended it here. That would have been just fine and not inflammatory. But instead, you had to go on with... ... since discussing it with people 'like you' only sets you off and has people like you going off to find others who share your mind-set, to start calling me a nutter for being different to you. Now go in peace! Nice persecution complex you have there. Never once in any of my replies to you did I make any inference to you personally, but you don't have the courtesy to do the same to me. Contrary to your assumption, that multiple people disagree with you on a subject doesn't mean that they are out to get you. I happen to disagree with some of the people in this thread about many other issues, but know (from past experience and threads) that we just happen to have a like mind on this one particular thing. That you think we somehow clandestinely got together to go against you in this thread is just absurd. Apologies to @carefull for dragging this out in her thread, but I didn't feel that response should go unanswered. If it means I'm not the "bigger person" then so be it.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 8, 2017 4:59:45 GMT
I was just wondering if the strong Elven leanings of the Inquisition made the game appealing to you? Meant as "Elven protagonist gets loots of goodies vs other races 'cause Solas". Most folks interpreted me asking this question as "Did it make you dislike the game?" while what I thought I was asking was : "So, is that why you like the game?" I asked it after I saw that people predominantly played the elves on another thread, at least on this forum. To go back to the thread and answer the OP with the additional context, I'll again have to say, "No." The elven content doesn't factor into my liking of the game at all. I quite like my canon Inquisitor; he's the first DA PC I've felt fully able to roleplay and see as another person. This is due to him being male, the spare background (allowing me to create whatever I wanted for him), the dialogue options, and the voice actor. I also quite like his appearance that was enabled by DAI's visual style and character creator. I like the open world and freedom that allowed me to construct an order of doing maps that matched my headcanon for the character. Even though I see some limitations and sacrifice with the choice, I enjoyed that I was able to choose between mages and templars and have two different missions and experiences, and factor that experience into my headcanon for the character. The same is true for choosing to play Abyss first over WEWH. The game is visually stunning to my eyes. I'll also admit that, because I'm on PC and able to use mods, it adds to the experience as well, being able to have a certain level of customization. I enjoyed the combat quite a bit and the fact that, in terms of speed and pace, it fell somewhere between DAO and DA2; playing a SnS warrior tank, with the abilities in DAI, was quite enjoyable. I liked that there was a bit more definition with the specializations, rather than learning a book, getting to a certain level of follower approval, or simply just ticking a box, as in the first two games; in having those conversations with trainers, I felt more able to choose based on roleplay than I did in previous games. And then there's Dorian, about whom I could write, and have written, thousands of words of appreciation. The game wouldn't be the same without him for me, neither would my Inquisitor be the same, and he is a great part of why I love the game so much. Elven content? That barely registers for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 13:59:13 GMT
Nightscrawl thank you for answering the question, and I would love to hear more about folks perceptions of the elves’ content share in DAI and how it impacted their gaming. It actually just occurred to me that from the non-humans, both Qunari and Elven team representative meet the PC of each race with a lot of unfriendliness, and tell them outright how they are not the real McKoy. Vs the dwarves that get Varric who is ever ready to press any DA protagonist to his bosom.
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Post by shechinah on Dec 8, 2017 14:27:15 GMT
Nightscrawl thank you for answering the question, and I would love to hear more about folks perceptions of the elves’ content share in DAI and how it impacted their gaming. It actually just occurred to me that from the non-humans, both Qunari and Elven team representative meet the PC of each race with a lot of unfriendliness, and tell them outright how they are not the real McKoy. Vs the dwarves that get Varric who is ever ready to press any DA protagonist to his bosom. In addition to being a surface dwarf, Varric also doesn't seem to consider himself to be culturally dwarf, for the lack of a better word, so that's not a surprise. During Dragon Age 2, he talks about how it didn't matter to him like it did to Bartrand. Had Cadash been visiting Orzammar and encountered non-surface dwarves then they'd be met very differently. For that reason, it's not really a comparable situation since the dwarves that would find issue with Cadash on account of them "not being a real dwarf" uniquely live underground while the qunari and elves live above.
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Nightscrawl thank you for answering the question, and I would love to hear more about folks perceptions of the elves’ content share in DAI and how it impacted their gaming. It actually just occurred to me that from the non-humans, both Qunari and Elven team representative meet the PC of each race with a lot of unfriendliness, and tell them outright how they are not the real McKoy. Vs the dwarves that get Varric who is ever ready to press any DA protagonist to his bosom. In addition to being a surface dwarf, Varric also doesn't seem to consider himself to be culturally dwarf, for the lack of a better word, so that's not a surprise. During Dragon Age 2, he talks about how it didn't matter to him like it did to Bartrand. Had Cadash been visiting Orzammar and encountered non-surface dwarves then they'd be met very differently. For that reason, it's not really a comparable situation since the dwarves that would find issue with Cadash on account of them "not being a real dwarf" live in Orzammar and cannot be encountered in Inquisition. I agree, but neither Solas nor IB are traditional “representatives” of their cultures either, and both still spurn the PC hard and do not put a fine point on “you are NOT like me”. Every other dwarf in Inquisition is also super-friendly, Dagna and Harding. Then when you do Descent, Valta and Renn also welcome the dwarven PC as far as I know.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 8, 2017 15:17:15 GMT
I always played with every race but it was nice to dig deeper into elvhen lore Yeah I play as all the races although I've only really got round to doing 1 Qunari and 1 dwarf so far and although most of my quizzies have been humans or elves I've not had any problems playing them. In fact I was planning on another Qunari one soon after my next elven quizzy. I actually found the elven lore and all that interesting so it's never really affected my enjoyment of DAI.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 8, 2017 15:25:28 GMT
Was Jowan an Elf? Been a while... he felt like an Anders' prototype to me, maybe both Anders and Merril's even. Certainly extremely afraid of the consequences of failing the Harrowing so I would say he was opressed... but I might be mixing characters up. No he was human from what I remember. Been a while since I've played DAO though.
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Post by phoray on Dec 8, 2017 16:18:12 GMT
Jowan was definitely human. He's not much like Anders, as he actually likes Circle Life just fine, he just fears the harrowing (with it's inclination towards disappearing mages) that he learns blood magic to get an edge. Like Cheating. If he passed his harrowing, he would have lived Circle Life just fine and stopped worrying about things.
Anders hated Circle Life from the get go. He was 12 when he arrived in the Circle, and had lived very independently in the Anderfells up to that point. The infringement on his freedom irritated and depressed him. He would attempt to escape for many years, and only his friendship with Karl led him to seemingly stop trying and make the best of it.
And he's not much like Merril. Merril doesn't whine, she's quite cheerful, she is also quite educated (in spite of her airhead tendencies). She's got that inner strength that carries her to go after what she thinks is important.
I love Jowan, but inner strength he has not
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Post by phoray on Dec 8, 2017 16:21:46 GMT
They are both traditional dwarves. Valta fears seeing the sky for a reason- she doesn't want to be casteless. Which is what you are. It's not their place to insult the person they need, the person who leads the Inquisition. And it is not a discussion they'd relish having, I believe. Additionally, I just feel both Qunari and Dwarves get less in game recognition of their race due to time constraints. Although you'd think they'd try to put it in for DLC, eh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 16:52:59 GMT
They are both traditional dwarves. Valta fears seeing the sky for a reason- she doesn't want to be casteless. Which is what you are. It's not their place to insult the person they need, the person who leads the Inquisition. And it is not a discussion they'd relish having, I believe. Additionally, I just feel both Qunari and Dwarves get less in game recognition of their race due to time constraints. Although you'd think they'd try to put it in for DLC, eh. What I am trying to say that in respect of how you are treated by the characters of the same race by the significant other characters of the same race in DAI: Elves - get a full blast of scorn from Solas and is certified by him not to be a "real" elf Qunari - get a full blast of scorn from IB and is certified by him on a few occasions as not a "real" Qunari but the dwarf is never told he is not a "real" dwarf iirc, and the groups' other dwarf is actually similar to the Inquisitor in that he is a surface dwarf. In respect to Jowan, I just wanted a clarification in respect to this discussion (why was he brought into it?) because if I have not seen someone say on the forum that Alistair is half-elf because of EU information, I would have never known it based on his appearance and the story in the game.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 8, 2017 16:59:36 GMT
They are both traditional dwarves. Valta fears seeing the sky for a reason- she doesn't want to be casteless. Which is what you are. It's not their place to insult the person they need, the person who leads the Inquisition. And it is not a discussion they'd relish having, I believe. Additionally, I just feel both Qunari and Dwarves get less in game recognition of their race due to time constraints. Although you'd think they'd try to put it in for DLC, eh. What I am trying to say that in respect of how you are treated by the characters of the same race by the significant other characters of the same race in DAI: Elves - get a full blast of scorn from Solas and is certified by him not to be a "real" elf Qunari - get a full blast of scorn from IB and is certified by him on a few occasions as not a "real" Qunari but the dwarf is never told he is not a "real" dwarf iirc, and the groups' other dwarf is actually similar to the Inquisitor in that he is a surface dwarf. In respect to Jowan, I just wanted a clarification in respect to this discussion (why was he brought into it?) because if I have not seen someone say on the forum that Alistair is half-elf because of EU information, I would have never known it based on his appearance and the story in the game. I don't find this to be the case for Solas and Lavellan at all. Solas makes a snide comment about the Dalish, and you can call him "hahren" and ask what you did to offend him, and he will sincerely apologize. Now I do have the romance mod but I don't think that dialogue string is romance related. Otherwise, Solas is perfectly nice to Lavellan.
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