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Post by Hrungr on Jan 24, 2018 19:07:52 GMT
BioWare Doubles Down On Anthem As Pressure Mountskotaku.com/bioware-doubles-down-on-anthem-as-pressure-mounts-1822380989"The past year has been tumultuous for BioWare and involved some major changes to the studio. One was to reboot the fourth Dragon Age, which at the time was code-named Joplin, according to two sources. (There’s a running theme here—Anthem’s codename was Dylan.) The goal, those sources said, was to implement more “live” elements into the game, although two of those sources stressed that this next Dragon Age will still have a heavy focus on characters and story, whenever it does come out. It’s not clear what a “live” version of Dragon Age might look like, but EA has been public about its embrace of games as a service, and its lack of interest in releasing $60 games that do not have any sort of revenue tail, whether that means paid extra content, microtransactions, or something else." @kreflkmmerThanks Jason, I'm always down for more Dragon Age news. Would you be able to elaborate on what you meant by "reboot"? I took it as the team getting back to work and continue from Inquisition, but it seems like most took it as "scrap where we left off and start from scratch". Jason Schreier @jasonschreierI don't think it was *that* drastic but it was a directional reboot to add more live service elements to the game. Casey Hudson @caseydhudsonReading lots of feedback regarding Dragon Age, and I think you’ll be relieved to see what the team is working on. Story & character focused. Too early to talk details, but when we talk about “live” it just means designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story. Fernando Melo DiscoBabalooAlso, fwiw, every single DA game to date has had "live elements" of some sort ppl :/ Emma abilitydrain So the game is still definitely an RPG and hasn't been rebooted into a different genre? Fernando Melo DiscoBabalooprob still yrs away so things could change. but everything i'm aware of points to it being "a DA game" (tm)
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Post by Iakus on Jan 24, 2018 19:12:16 GMT
BioWare Doubles Down On Anthem As Pressure Mountskotaku.com/bioware-doubles-down-on-anthem-as-pressure-mounts-1822380989"The past year has been tumultuous for BioWare and involved some major changes to the studio. One was to reboot the fourth Dragon Age, which at the time was code-named Joplin, according to two sources. (There’s a running theme here—Anthem’s codename was Dylan.) The goal, those sources said, was to implement more “live” elements into the game, although two of those sources stressed that this next Dragon Age will still have a heavy focus on characters and story, whenever it does come out. It’s not clear what a “live” version of Dragon Age might look like, but EA has been public about its embrace of games as a service, and its lack of interest in releasing $60 games that do not have any sort of revenue tail, whether that means paid extra content, microtransactions, or something else." Cr*p, we're getting pandas in DA4, aren't we?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 24, 2018 19:14:54 GMT
Don't like the sound of this. If DA4 isn't predominantly a single player experience then I'm not interested.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 24, 2018 19:15:37 GMT
Can you edit your title? It implies that it's a definite thing, when even Jason says it's not clear what "live" means. Though it's certianly realm of possibility based on Anthem.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 24, 2018 19:18:26 GMT
Best case scenario, it turns out to be a relatively unobtrusive side mode.
i’m open to new things when it comes to Anthem, because I see a new IP as a chance to do something a bit different.
But I would have thought the lukewarm reception to DAI multiplayer would have taught them that DA players aren’t particularly interested in that kind of thing.
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Post by House Targaryen on Jan 24, 2018 19:19:55 GMT
I'd rather have dead services in the game.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 24, 2018 19:20:46 GMT
I fucking hate EA, because I just know their new CEO is going to find a way to ruin my favorite franchise. -Kotaku article
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 24, 2018 19:26:47 GMT
^ Lack of transparency doesn't really help with that, though, and Bioware in particular is rather infamous for having shit PR. So unless they're going to start giving out hard facts to dispel people's fears, those types of videos are going to continue to be made.
[edit] And people will continue to make comments, like those on the Kotaku article, saying things like, "RIP Bioware."
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 24, 2018 19:32:40 GMT
Best case scenario, it turns out to be a relatively unobtrusive side mode. i’m open to new things when it comes to Anthem, because I see a new IP as a chance to do something a bit different. But I would have thought the lukewarm reception to DAI multiplayer would have taught them that DA players aren’t particularly interested in that kind of thing. I don't think it was the problem with multiplayer per se, but with multiplayer how it was. And I do have to point out that "live service" ain't necessarily straightforward "multiplayer".
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 24, 2018 19:34:22 GMT
Cr*p, we're getting pandas in DA4, aren't we? Fade Pandas.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 24, 2018 19:36:25 GMT
^ Lack of transparency doesn't really help with that, though, and Bioware in particular is rather infamous for having shit PR. So unless they're going to start giving out hard facts to dispel people's fears, those types of videos are going to continue to be made. [edit] And people will continue to make comments, like those on the Kotaku article, saying things like, "RIP Bioware."Well, that's the reason dev's don't come out and explain what's going on. I was reading a thread the other day about the Amy Hennig Polygon interview the other day were she discusses that it costs about $100 million on a new IP linear single player game and that people keep asking to make them but don't actually buy them - it was awful the number of comments that were having a go at her past work history ot calling her a "liar" or "corporate shill". No one wants to face that, specially when it can get a whole lot worse than that.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 24, 2018 19:36:30 GMT
The only time I ever want to connect to the Internet to play a single-player game is to register it, and even then that's only out of necessity.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 24, 2018 19:40:06 GMT
The only time I ever want to connect to the Internet to play a single-player game is to register it, and even then that's only out of necessity. I don't. I love my easily customizable world-states in Dragon Age Keep (btw. that's a live service) and want DAK to be further implemented into experience.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 24, 2018 19:44:08 GMT
The only time I ever want to connect to the Internet to play a single-player game is to register it, and even then that's only out of necessity. I don't. I love my easily customizable world-states in Dragon Age Keep (btw. that's a live service) and want DAK to be further implemented into experience. So do I, but I don't have to use the Keep to play DAI. It's optional.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 24, 2018 19:44:59 GMT
Okay, having calmed down a little bit, here are some thoughts on some means of “live services” I could tolerate
Post release content, like say adding additional bosses or “monster hunts” in addition to story DLC.
Co-op dungeons released periodically after the base game, or maybe co-op versions of dungeons in the campaign.
What I really don’t want to see is a cash shop plopped into the single player or to see it turned into a fantasy version of SWTOR.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 24, 2018 19:50:47 GMT
Best case scenario, it turns out to be a relatively unobtrusive side mode. i’m open to new things when it comes to Anthem, because I see a new IP as a chance to do something a bit different. But I would have thought the lukewarm reception to DAI multiplayer would have taught them that DA players aren’t particularly interested in that kind of thing. I don't it was the problem with multiplayer per se, but with multiplayer how it was. And I do have to point out that "live service" ain't necessarily straightforward "multiplayer". True, but EA wants people to keep playing longer in a way that keeps them paying money. Multiplayer is good for that.
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Post by wickedcool on Jan 24, 2018 19:50:54 GMT
If bioware employees are nervous about misinformation they need to take it up with management. Should be fairly easy for marketing to be at a convention to release a statement or a q&a
Cant we get the blogger/journalist to give their interpretation of “live”. If they have sources I would think they could narrow it down
I am slightly worried that da4 will have loot boxes. My guess it will be related to tier 3-4 gear
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 19:52:26 GMT
"The past year has been tumultuous for BioWare and involved some major changes to the studio. One was to reboot the fourth Dragon Age, which at the time was code-named Joplin, according to two sources. (There’s a running theme here—Anthem’s codename was Dylan.) The goal, those sources said, was to implement more “live” elements into the game, although two of those sources stressed that this next Dragon Age will still have a heavy focus on characters and story, whenever it does come out. It’s not clear what a “live” version of Dragon Age might look like, but EA has been public about its embrace of games as a service, and its lack of interest in releasing $60 games that do not have any sort of revenue tail, whether that means paid extra content, microtransactions, or something else." Joplin is a terrible name to associate with something you want to succeed, just sayin'. Weirdly, I am on board with some kind of reboot, considering that there is already little stylistic consistency from game to game. What that would look like though could be anything. I mean are we talking throw all the lore and plot momentum from the last game out the window and doing like a post-Veil-destruction fantasy weirdland, or more like changing the actual type of game it is, making it more like an action shooter with optional co-op? I'm all onboard for the former, not so much the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 19:54:31 GMT
Okay, having calmed down a little bit, here are some thoughts on some means of “live services” I could tolerate Post release content, like say adding additional bosses or “monster hunts” in addition to story DLC. Co-op dungeons released periodically after the base game, or maybe co-op versions of dungeons in the campaign. What I really don’t want to see is a cash shop plopped into the single player or to see it turned into a fantasy version of SWTOR. In AC:O they have this thing where you can avenge players that were slain in their own game by local enemies. You get experience for killing the enemies and a message saying "You avenged player [gamertag]" and it's actually a pretty fun little optional thing to do on the side. Also, players can share photos they took in their own game in photo mode that is pretty harmless and I think it's toggled so you can turn it off if you want.
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Post by CHRrOME on Jan 24, 2018 19:55:30 GMT
Is it too much to ask for EA offices across the world to randomly explode in 3 million pieces? I suppose so.
When I read "live" and EA in the same sentence I presume they mean "live" as in "on-line" . But we already have that in all BW games of late, what more do they want? Oh, right! they haven't done M$ for campaign yet, gee how silly of me. So another mandatory MP, and Inquisition's was pretty crap, Andromeda's was utterly trash. These people just don't learn. We'll see though. DA's team did a far better job in Inquisition than Andromeda's team, like a million times better.
EDIT: What did they mean with "reboot" ? reboot the whole franchise or some specific aspect?
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 24, 2018 19:56:43 GMT
Joplin is a terrible name to associate with something you want to succeed, just sayin'. Weirdly, I am on board with some kind of reboot, considering that there is already little stylistic consistency from game to game. What that would look like though could be anything. I mean are we talking throw all the lore and plot momentum from the last game out the window and doing like a post-Veil-destruction fantasy weirdland, or more like changing the actual type of game it is, making it more like an action shooter with optional co-op? I'm all onboard for the former, not so much the latter. I don’t think this means they’re reorienting the whole franchise, just that they’re redesigning parts of this game. Which could have nothing to do with plot.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 24, 2018 19:59:18 GMT
Joplin is a terrible name to associate with something you want to succeed, just sayin'. Weirdly, I am on board with some kind of reboot, considering that there is already little stylistic consistency from game to game. What that would look like though could be anything. I mean are we talking throw all the lore and plot momentum from the last game out the window and doing like a post-Veil-destruction fantasy weirdland, or more like changing the actual type of game it is, making it more like an action shooter with optional co-op? I'm all onboard for the former, not so much the latter. I don’t think this means they’re reorienting the whole franchise, just that they’re redesigning parts of this game. Which could have nothing to do with plot. pls..... pls don't take tevinter from meeee 😭
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 24, 2018 20:01:00 GMT
"The past year has been tumultuous for BioWare and involved some major changes to the studio. One was to reboot the fourth Dragon Age, which at the time was code-named Joplin, according to two sources. (There’s a running theme here—Anthem’s codename was Dylan.) The goal, those sources said, was to implement more “live” elements into the game, although two of those sources stressed that this next Dragon Age will still have a heavy focus on characters and story, whenever it does come out. It’s not clear what a “live” version of Dragon Age might look like, but EA has been public about its embrace of games as a service, and its lack of interest in releasing $60 games that do not have any sort of revenue tail, whether that means paid extra content, microtransactions, or something else." Joplin is a terrible name to associate with something you want to succeed, just sayin'. Weirdly, I am on board with some kind of reboot, considering that there is already little stylistic consistency from game to game. What that would look like though could be anything. I mean are we talking throw all the lore and plot momentum from the last game out the window and doing like a post-Veil-destruction fantasy weirdland, or more like changing the actual type of game it is, making it more like an action shooter with optional co-op? I'm all onboard for the former, not so much the latter. "The goal, those sources said, was to implement more “live” elements into the game, although two of those sources stressed that this next Dragon Age will still have a heavy focus on characters and story, whenever it does come out."From the sound of it, it's not like they're stripping everything, story included (though it's not like they don't have a set up that either allows or would allow them to do that fairly painlessly), but more about gameplay design and what other ways they can make the game "live" longer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:01:25 GMT
Wow, Kotaku starts a new witch hunt. Way to go.
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Post by Zemgus on Jan 24, 2018 20:06:49 GMT
Could be anything really. After the mess that MEA was of course I'm nervous about what DA4 is going to be like especially with all the people jumping ship, but I guess there's no point in worrying about it. I just hope it's as good as Inquisition was.
I would absolutely love it if one day they made a DA version of SWTOR (meaning as good and story heavy MMO like SWTOR because that game is just so good) but not before the current "phase" is over (Dragon Age?) DA doesn't actually have to end with "Dragon" Age, does it? I could see a time jump happening after these current events are dealt with (mostly Solas, Mythal and rest of the Elven Gods). That game could be about dealing with the Qunari problem. Imagine Qun having invaded half of Thedas while the Tevinter Imperium has risen from ashes and invaded the other half?
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