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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Feb 21, 2018 2:02:03 GMT
And Killmonger struck me as very...Antifa-like. More interested in violent revolution and willing to burn everything down than come up with a productive answer to problems. I kind of liked that aspect of his character, it was almost as if the movie was taking a shot at SJW types and black lives matter with Black Panther remarking that he had turned into everything he claimed to stand against
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Feb 21, 2018 2:15:19 GMT
On the other hand, I can go off other people as a springboard. Not a fan of them going public, anymore than I was of SHIELD doing so back in Winter Soldier (though perhaps for slightly different reasons). There's a reason Wakanda's not a shithole, and it ain't just the magic space rock. I agree with the one dude who said "I'll go out and help anyone you want me to, but I won't risk Wakanda for it". Maybe I am reading too much into it but I think that was supposed to be a statement against certain current political ideologies and sentiments, specifically those who seem to think that segregation is the answer and we should not share cultures because of "cultural appropriation". If you think of Wakanda as an idealized version of a black society isolated from the other races of the world like some SJWs seem to want I think the point of the movie was that we can't segregate ourselves by race or culture, we should all learn from and help each other as we are all one people
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Feb 21, 2018 3:18:17 GMT
I think you all need to drop the political aspects and just enjoy the movie.
It's not a documentary, it's a super hero shoot em up. Yes, they did touch on political stuff, but they addressed it was there and did little else. It was more of a ideological cameo than a major point.
Also cloud9 I am disappointed you do not use Killmonger as Avatar. I'll use Klaw if you use Killmonger.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 3:35:01 GMT
I'm mad it's not a biopic about Huey Newton or Bobby Seale.
Otherwise I've no opinion.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Feb 21, 2018 3:38:07 GMT
I think you all need to drop the political aspects and just enjoy the movie.
It's not a documentary, it's a super hero shoot em up. Yes, they did touch on political stuff, but they addressed it was there and did little else. It was more of a ideological cameo than a major point.
A movie does not need to be a documentary to make a point and while I can put aside my own political leanings and enjoy certain movies I do think the political aspects of this movie are worth discussing, I would hope the people of this forum are mature enough to be able to discuss certain topics and themes that the film touches on without getting triggered.
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Post by House Targaryen on Feb 21, 2018 4:56:31 GMT
I don't dare see it. It got black people in it and my grandma would be rolling in her grave if I saw it.
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Post by Teabaggin Krogan on Feb 21, 2018 5:38:35 GMT
I went in cynical because of the over hyped marketing but it turned out to be rather enjoyable. The CGI was kinda meh but the soundtrack, cinematography and art design are exceptional!
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Post by o Ventus on Feb 21, 2018 16:33:44 GMT
Good movie. Story wasn't exactly original, and I didn't care for the shaky-cam scenes. But the acting was first rate. If you want to talk politics in the movie: I like how they handled the question of balancing a nation using their wealth and power to help others while at the same time keeping their own people safe. There were no easy answers to that question. And Killmonger struck me as very...Antifa-like. More interested in violent revolution and willing to burn everything down than come up with a productive answer to problems. Productive? Lol! Productive to who? Blacks? He did have a productive answer. Take back what was taken from you, and enslave those who enslaved you. Yeah, enslave the people who enslaved you. Except you won't be doing that, you'll be chaining up random people who didn't do anything just on the basis of their skin color and where they're from. Productive.
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Post by o Ventus on Feb 21, 2018 16:41:46 GMT
Let's face it, magic space rocks fix everything Actually, how they got all this super-advanced tech simply by having access to space rocks is puzzling. But eh, comic book stories. I just imagine that it's not a meteor they're mining, but an ancient space ship they're disassembling and reverse-engineering. At any rate, like I said, there were no easy answers. And Wakanda clearly has been intervening for some time, just surreptitiously (as shown by Nakia's mission at the beginning. T'Challa has basically done Tony Stark's "I am Iron Man" for his nation. I guess he figured the masquerade was going to be dropped at some point anyway, better to control when and how. Also, I suspect the Soul Stone is somewhere in that giant vibranium meteor, given the effects the heart-shaped herb have in letting people communicate with their ancestors I was willing to accept it to a point. Strongest metal on earth- obviously best weapons and shields. That makes sense. But to the rest? Maybe it's also a superconductor and you can extrapolate some technobabble about how its properties enabled them to make anti-grav and cloak fields and whatnot (though not how a primitive culture was able to make use of it right away, even as weapons, and overcome the cultural limitations and setbacks of moving from a superstitious ass-backwards nation into a modern society based on science). But, then it also cures wounds and gives you superpowers? Yeah, that's where I draw the line. Although interesting theory with the Soul Stone. If true, that would fix pretty much all the issues. I haven't seen the movie yet, but just pulling from the comics, Wakandan vibranium is mutagenic and radioactive, hence the healing and superpowers. It also enhances pre-existing mystical abilities. Assuming the MCU will follow the comic continuity concerning the Infinity Gems, the Soul Gen will be within Adam Warlock when he is introduced (which, if you've seen GOTG vol. 2, he's teased at the end there).
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Post by mybudgee on Feb 21, 2018 19:02:07 GMT
I was willing to accept it to a point. Strongest metal on earth- obviously best weapons and shields. I haven't seen the movie yet, but just pulling from the comics, Wakandan vibranium is mutagenic and radioactive, hence the healing and superpowers. It also enhances pre-existing mystical abilities. Assuming the MCU will follow the comic continuity concerning the Infinity Gems, the Soul Gen will be within Adam Warlock when he is introduced (which, if you've seen GOTG vol. 2, he's teased at the end there). Perhaps
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Post by aglomeracja on Feb 21, 2018 19:04:59 GMT
Vibranium is a much enhanced omni-gel from ME1.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Feb 21, 2018 20:31:40 GMT
It's another shitty kids movie.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Feb 21, 2018 20:39:53 GMT
It's another shitty kids movie. Right...clearly. Care to elaborate? Cause I saw a very different movie.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Feb 21, 2018 20:56:25 GMT
It's another shitty kids movie. Right...clearly. Care to elaborate? Cause I saw a very different movie. >throat slit >no blood
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Post by Andrew Waples on Feb 21, 2018 20:57:42 GMT
Right...clearly. Care to elaborate? Cause I saw a very different movie. >throat slit >no blood Really? That's the difference?😑
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 22, 2018 13:46:39 GMT
Maybe I am reading too much into it but I think that was supposed to be a statement against certain current political ideologies and sentiments, specifically those who seem to think that segregation is the answer and we should not share cultures because of "cultural appropriation". If you think of Wakanda as an idealized version of a black society isolated from the other races of the world like some SJWs seem to want I think the point of the movie was that we can't segregate ourselves by race or culture, we should all learn from and help each other as we are all one people Not referring to cultures, or segregation at all, my first concern is security. How would superpowers react to the emergence of a hidden superpower that makes them all look like primitive chumps? Not well I'd imagine.
But if we're talking cultures I think the concern is less "appropriation" (indeed, I think the idea is they want others to appropriate their culture vis a vis being more enlightened) and more being overwhelmed. Wakanda is tiny. They may be the most advanced nation in the world but I doubt they'd be able to put up with shit like the RL refugee crisis, from all relevant points of view. Not to mention that they've been hidden for centuries, millenia even. That secrecy is part of their culture, and all that got turned upside down by T'Challa "Iron Man'ing it up".
In short, Wakanda is what it is because they a) won the national resource lottery and b) took great pains to keep the rest of the world from fucking that up. If I had a stake in it, I'd certainly not want b) undone. I haven't seen the movie yet, but just pulling from the comics, Wakandan vibranium is mutagenic and radioactive, hence the healing and superpowers. It also enhances pre-existing mystical abilities. Assuming the MCU will follow the comic continuity concerning the Infinity Gems, the Soul Gen will be within Adam Warlock when he is introduced (which, if you've seen GOTG vol. 2, he's teased at the end there). Huh. So does Cap's shield passively affect anyone around him? And that may be in the comics, but it would be a fail arrangement in the movie continuity. Infinity War is coming. Warlock seems like a post Thanos thing. It ain't the Infinity (-1) Gauntlet. The only other recourse is to have Warlock show up only to get smacked down and possibly killed in the first five minutes. That doesn't gel with the amount of planning we've seen go into this.
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Post by mattig89ch on Feb 22, 2018 14:06:53 GMT
This seems apropriate:
I'm not big into super hero's myself. But I like the idea. I just don't like everyone making a big deal because he's black.
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Post by jaison1986 on Feb 22, 2018 14:14:22 GMT
Maybe I am reading too much into it but I think that was supposed to be a statement against certain current political ideologies and sentiments, specifically those who seem to think that segregation is the answer and we should not share cultures because of "cultural appropriation". If you think of Wakanda as an idealized version of a black society isolated from the other races of the world like some SJWs seem to want I think the point of the movie was that we can't segregate ourselves by race or culture, we should all learn from and help each other as we are all one people Not referring to cultures, or segregation at all, my first concern is security. How would superpowers react to the emergence of a hidden superpower that makes them all look like primitive chumps? Not well I'd imagine.
But if we're talking cultures I think the concern is less "appropriation" (indeed, I think the idea is they want others to appropriate their culture vis a vis being more enlightened) and more being overwhelmed. Wakanda is tiny. They may be the most advanced nation in the world but I doubt they'd be able to put up with shit like the RL refugee crisis, from all relevant points of view. Not to mention that they've been hidden for centuries, millenia even. That secrecy is part of their culture, and all that got turned upside down by T'Challa "Iron Man'ing it up".
In short, Wakanda is what it is because they a) won the national resource lottery and b) took great pains to keep the rest of the world from fucking that up. If I had a stake in it, I'd certainly not want b) undone. I haven't seen the movie yet, but just pulling from the comics, Wakandan vibranium is mutagenic and radioactive, hence the healing and superpowers. It also enhances pre-existing mystical abilities. Assuming the MCU will follow the comic continuity concerning the Infinity Gems, the Soul Gen will be within Adam Warlock when he is introduced (which, if you've seen GOTG vol. 2, he's teased at the end there). Huh. So does Cap's shield passively affect anyone around him? And that may be in the comics, but it would be a fail arrangement in the movie continuity. Infinity War is coming. Warlock seems like a post Thanos thing. It ain't the Infinity (-1) Gauntlet. The only other recourse is to have Warlock show up only to get smacked down and possibly killed in the first five minutes. That doesn't gel with the amount of planning we've seen go into this. It's possible he will only get all gems in the second movie, and they will reveal the final one between one of the movies released in the meantime.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 22, 2018 14:25:01 GMT
It's possible he will only get all gems in the second movie, and they will reveal the final one between one of the movies released in the meantime. Fair enough.
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Post by o Ventus on Feb 22, 2018 17:05:35 GMT
Maybe I am reading too much into it but I think that was supposed to be a statement against certain current political ideologies and sentiments, specifically those who seem to think that segregation is the answer and we should not share cultures because of "cultural appropriation". If you think of Wakanda as an idealized version of a black society isolated from the other races of the world like some SJWs seem to want I think the point of the movie was that we can't segregate ourselves by race or culture, we should all learn from and help each other as we are all one people Not referring to cultures, or segregation at all, my first concern is security. How would superpowers react to the emergence of a hidden superpower that makes them all look like primitive chumps? Not well I'd imagine.
But if we're talking cultures I think the concern is less "appropriation" (indeed, I think the idea is they want others to appropriate their culture vis a vis being more enlightened) and more being overwhelmed. Wakanda is tiny. They may be the most advanced nation in the world but I doubt they'd be able to put up with shit like the RL refugee crisis, from all relevant points of view. Not to mention that they've been hidden for centuries, millenia even. That secrecy is part of their culture, and all that got turned upside down by T'Challa "Iron Man'ing it up".
In short, Wakanda is what it is because they a) won the national resource lottery and b) took great pains to keep the rest of the world from fucking that up. If I had a stake in it, I'd certainly not want b) undone. I haven't seen the movie yet, but just pulling from the comics, Wakandan vibranium is mutagenic and radioactive, hence the healing and superpowers. It also enhances pre-existing mystical abilities. Assuming the MCU will follow the comic continuity concerning the Infinity Gems, the Soul Gen will be within Adam Warlock when he is introduced (which, if you've seen GOTG vol. 2, he's teased at the end there). Huh. So does Cap's shield passively affect anyone around him? And that may be in the comics, but it would be a fail arrangement in the movie continuity. Infinity War is coming. Warlock seems like a post Thanos thing. It ain't the Infinity (-1) Gauntlet. The only other recourse is to have Warlock show up only to get smacked down and possibly killed in the first five minutes. That doesn't gel with the amount of planning we've seen go into this. As far as I'm aware, Cap's shield isn't pure Walandan vibranium, but a comic book science iron-vibranium alloy, with the impurities introduced by the iron nullifying the radiation and magical properties. Adam Warlock is confirmed to not be in Infinity War, which is a crying shame since Adam Warlock is integral to Thanos' defeat in the actual comic storyline that Infinity War is basing itself off of, and Adam's entire character arc revolves around Thanos in some form or fashion (Adam is arguably the main character in the Infinity War comic arc). Introducing Adam Warlock after Thanos has already been defeated is completely pointless and defeats the purpose of the character. That'd be like if Bruce Wayne's parents got shot AFTER he became Batman.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Feb 22, 2018 17:33:27 GMT
Right...clearly. Care to elaborate? Cause I saw a very different movie. >throat slit >no blood Yeah that was bullshit lol
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Feb 23, 2018 7:00:55 GMT
Maybe I am reading too much into it but I think that was supposed to be a statement against certain current political ideologies and sentiments, specifically those who seem to think that segregation is the answer and we should not share cultures because of "cultural appropriation". If you think of Wakanda as an idealized version of a black society isolated from the other races of the world like some SJWs seem to want I think the point of the movie was that we can't segregate ourselves by race or culture, we should all learn from and help each other as we are all one people Not referring to cultures, or segregation at all, my first concern is security. How would superpowers react to the emergence of a hidden superpower that makes them all look like primitive chumps? Not well I'd imagine.
But if we're talking cultures I think the concern is less "appropriation" (indeed, I think the idea is they want others to appropriate their culture vis a vis being more enlightened) and more being overwhelmed. Wakanda is tiny. They may be the most advanced nation in the world but I doubt they'd be able to put up with shit like the RL refugee crisis, from all relevant points of view. Not to mention that they've been hidden for centuries, millenia even. That secrecy is part of their culture, and all that got turned upside down by T'Challa "Iron Man'ing it up".
In short, Wakanda is what it is because they a) won the national resource lottery and b) took great pains to keep the rest of the world from fucking that up. If I had a stake in it, I'd certainly not want b) undone. Was more referring the the message the movie was trying to convey to the audience rather than the message the characters in the movie were trying to convey to the united nations
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 24, 2018 5:56:26 GMT
😱😱🤗🤗🤗💕💕💕💘
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Post by mybudgee on Feb 24, 2018 7:21:28 GMT
Yeah that was bullshit lol My only real gripe with this flick... WTF is this shit? Hannah Montana???
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Post by Ocelot on Feb 24, 2018 14:48:12 GMT
This seems apropriate: I'm not big into super hero's myself. But I like the idea. I just don't like everyone making a big deal because he's black. I think its great. I mean just compare the amount of black superheroes with white superheroes. Most white kids who grow up and want to play superhero will have an entire list of characters to choose from. Meanwhile the black kids that grow up didn't really have that option. And before people will yell "They can just play Thor or Iron Man regardless", yes this is true, but that's not really how kids think. Now they got a really badass superhero who's on par with Spiderman and the like, especially after Infinity War.
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