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Post by PillarBiter on Nov 29, 2018 14:55:24 GMT
I'd say for the journey type games the setting is important. I like the open bethesda worlds in general. They are done for exploring what's behind the next corner. The main story - meh. To me it is merely a guideline through the world. Like a tour guide. I've found that I, personally, need a bit more than that to get me through the Bethesda ones. The world is so open and the main story is so thin that I end up wandering off to do just... whatever... and I never actually finish the story, leaving me with this generally dissatisfied feeling of the overall experience. Which is odd, because by the time I've grown weary of the gameplay, I've spent hundreds of hours in the world, having a good time. I haven't figured out how to deal this yet, but I've had similar experiences with books I've never finished. I feel the same way with bethesda. I mean, it's a fantastic world they create, but I want focus in my game. A sense of urgency. A drive for the player to move forward. And that is usually best achieved in linear games.
And I have to agree. With pretty much any game you can re-play, choice is an illusion. A game disc shoudl destroy itself after your final conclusion of the game, to have any real consequences to your choices.
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 29, 2018 19:51:32 GMT
Face up to reality? We all know exactly the same amount of "stuff" about this game. Which amounts to the value of a hill of beans. Face up to the fact you don't know jack about the quality of an unreleased product. Nah, we will get a good story in Antthem. Some will not like it but, others will bitch about "muh solo playing" and whatnot. The story will be good though. Im not sure if Bioware has done so but I mentioned a looong time ago that Bioware needs to be honest about this game and not try to have the cake and eat it to. If this game is meant to be played, multiplayer, then they just need to come out and say something along the lines of...."Anthem while can be played Solo is truely best experienced as a multiplayer game as the systems built favors cooperative gameplay" If Bioware leads people on thinking that Anthem will have a SP experience similar to traditional Bioware games, then the gamers have every right to complain about their "muh solo playing"
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Post by NotN7 on Nov 29, 2018 20:04:15 GMT
Nah, we will get a good story in Antthem. Some will not like it but, others will bitch about "muh solo playing" and whatnot. The story will be good though. Im not sure if Bioware has done so but I mentioned a looong time ago that Bioware needs to be honest about this game and not try to have the cake and eat it to. If this game is meant to be played, multiplayer, then they just need to come out and say something along the lines of...."Anthem while can be played Solo is truely best experienced as a multiplayer game as the systems built favors cooperative gameplay" If Bioware leads people on thinking that Anthem will have a SP experience similar to traditional Bioware games, then the gamers have every right to complain about their "muh solo playing" I could be wrong but I do believe Bio Has said that's it is a MP game of 4 toons but SP would be a challenge. either way I myself cannot play it so there ya have it
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 29, 2018 20:16:58 GMT
"Anthem while can be played Solo is truely best experienced as a multiplayer game as the systems built favors cooperative gameplay" I think that statement is entirely correct.
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Post by correctamundo on Nov 29, 2018 20:21:03 GMT
Nah, we will get a good story in Antthem. Some will not like it but, others will bitch about "muh solo playing" and whatnot. The story will be good though. Im not sure if Bioware has done so but I mentioned a looong time ago that Bioware needs to be honest about this game and not try to have the cake and eat it to. If this game is meant to be played, multiplayer, then they just need to come out and say something along the lines of...."Anthem while can be played Solo is truely best experienced as a multiplayer game as the systems built favors cooperative gameplay" If Bioware leads people on thinking that Anthem will have a SP experience similar to traditional Bioware games, then the gamers have every right to complain about their "muh solo playing" And they have done that like *insert effing large number* of times.
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 29, 2018 20:59:32 GMT
Im not sure if Bioware has done so but I mentioned a looong time ago that Bioware needs to be honest about this game and not try to have the cake and eat it to. If this game is meant to be played, multiplayer, then they just need to come out and say something along the lines of...."Anthem while can be played Solo is truely best experienced as a multiplayer game as the systems built favors cooperative gameplay" If Bioware leads people on thinking that Anthem will have a SP experience similar to traditional Bioware games, then the gamers have every right to complain about their "muh solo playing" I could be wrong but I do believe Bio Has said that's it is a MP game of 4 toons but SP would be a challenge. either way I myself cannot play it so there ya have it So if thats the case then at least they are being honest and upfront about it.
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Post by NotN7 on Nov 30, 2018 4:53:47 GMT
I could be wrong but I do believe Bio Has said that's it is a MP game of 4 toons but SP would be a challenge. either way I myself cannot play it so there ya have it So if thats the case then at least they are being honest and upfront about it. That is true as far as I can see, which in of itself is odd since they would in my mind want to sell all that they could regardless of who, what can actually play the game. ( that's my opinion)
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Post by lennybusker on Nov 30, 2018 8:46:21 GMT
Face up to reality? We all know exactly the same amount of "stuff" about this game. Which amounts to the value of a hill of beans. Face up to the fact you don't know jack about the quality of an unreleased product. Nah, we will get a good story in Antthem. Some will not like it but, others will bitch about "muh solo playing" and whatnot. The story will be good though. What exactly are you basing this prediction on?
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Post by correctamundo on Nov 30, 2018 10:44:43 GMT
Nah, we will get a good story in Antthem. Some will not like it but, others will bitch about "muh solo playing" and whatnot. The story will be good though. What exactly are you basing this prediction on? Biowares track record. Which is way more solid than some peoples finger-in-the-air prediction. So far their stories have at least been good and their characters excellent. When gameplay looks top-notch as well we have a clear winner. Imo and all that jazz.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 1, 2018 2:54:54 GMT
What exactly are you basing this prediction on? Biowares track record. Which is way more solid than some peoples finger-in-the-air prediction. So far their stories have at least been good and their characters excellent. When gameplay looks top-notch as well we have a clear winner. Imo and all that jazz. BioWare's track record. :hmm: Mass Effect 1 and KotOR are both instant classics for me. Jade Empire was just not good enough, all the way around. Dragon Age: Origins is a massive game, mostly well done, and has more interesting gameplay than KotOR with amazing command of your squad. Mass Effect 2 was a really fun game to play, but made some really shortsighted decisions and an absurdly goofy ending. DA2 was a brilliantly told short story, with an abandonment of what I liked best about DAO and the recycled set pieces was a real problem for me, as it was immersion breaking and made me think about developer/publisher laziness and greed instead of playing the game. ME3 was almost exactly what I expected, and amazing, and then. Yeah. DAI I was super hyped for. God damnit mother scratching dog dicked donkey pooping dung beetle wrapped cat crap, never preorder any game from any developer again fuck these cashgrabbing <insert second expletive-filled rant> ME:A - well, this one was a thrill ride. I saw it coming, and refused to bend the knee. I waited, and listened. Many tried to like it, some actually loved it. Most admit it fell short in almost every area compared to all previous ME titles. I found that particularly hard to swallow, considering their knowledge that Mass Effect was in a delicate state after the uproar and dissatisfaction of many with the ME3 conclusion. Just egregious, really. So, I just told you I played all of these games (albeit only 1:48 of my 2hr trial in Andromeda), own all of these titles (excluding MEA), own CE of two of these titles. I love 2 of them. I like 2 of them. I disliked 2 of them, and thought 1 had a chance to be brilliant (DA2) but was so rushed it was crap, while the last was just 100% mehwtflol (JE). Is this a finger in the air opinion?
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Post by lennybusker on Dec 2, 2018 2:45:17 GMT
What exactly are you basing this prediction on? Biowares track record. Which is way more solid than some peoples finger-in-the-air prediction. So far their stories have at least been good and their characters excellent. When gameplay looks top-notch as well we have a clear winner. Imo and all that jazz. But they've literally stated that Anthem will be less narrative-driven than their previous IPs. And we're 2 months from launch and they have yet to release anything really showcasing the narrative drive of the game. Soooooo, your assertion is just wishful thinking, isn't it?
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 2, 2018 2:55:43 GMT
Biowares track record. Which is way more solid than some peoples finger-in-the-air prediction. So far their stories have at least been good and their characters excellent. When gameplay looks top-notch as well we have a clear winner. Imo and all that jazz. But they've literally stated that Anthem will be less narrative-driven than their previous IPs. And we're 2 months from launch and they have yet to release anything really showcasing the narrative drive of the game. Soooooo, your assertion is just wishful thinking, isn't it? No.
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Post by mmoblitz on Dec 3, 2018 12:14:16 GMT
If you favor combat over all else this will probably be a hit, if you favor story, characters,and dialog over everything else, then don't bother since that isn't it's main focus and they have already said what the focus is. This is the main reason I'm not buying the game. It's not a game for me and what I care about.
I love FO games, but when I heard what FO76 was, I said no thanks and gave my reasons why it won't live up to previous FO titles and I was told wait for it to be released before making predictions. Now that it's been released it has lived up to what I thought it was. I think Anthem will meet my expectations as well.
I don't think it will grab many who are looking for a old Bioware type experience and I don't think it will grab any destiny players who are currently enjoying destiny 2. I do think it will appeal to those who don't care about story and are just looking for a sci-fi shooter as well as those who aren't happy with destiny 2.
Personally I think they should have gone all in on the MP aspect of the game and dumped the SP portion. Don't pull a Bethesda and try to please everyone and end up pleasing no one or very few.
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 5, 2018 11:42:25 GMT
A more linear story, with fewer branching paths, does not necessarily make for a poorer story.
We'll have to wait to see how much we can change the path of the story. I imagine choice of missions may make an impact as well. But even if there's little branching, that makes me excited to see what the BioWare staff can pull off in a game where they can focus on length of storytelling with less need to worry about width.
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Post by PillarBiter on Dec 6, 2018 7:33:02 GMT
Biowares track record. Which is way more solid than some peoples finger-in-the-air prediction. So far their stories have at least been good and their characters excellent. When gameplay looks top-notch as well we have a clear winner. Imo and all that jazz. BioWare's track record. :hmm: Mass Effect 1 and KotOR are both instant classics for me. While they were good, they were also new inventions, and thus, people tend to look at them through more rose-colored glasses than they really are. Don't get me wrong, great games, but mass effect 1 wasn't exactly winning any gameplay awards... it was basically a point and click adventure.Jade Empire was just not good enough, all the way around. Dragon Age: Origins is a massive game, mostly well done, and has more interesting gameplay than KotOR with amazing command of your squad. DAO was simply all-round fantastic.Mass Effect 2 was a really fun game to play, but made some really shortsighted decisions and an absurdly goofy ending. Too short is the only gripe I had with this game. I replayed this at least 20 times. Goddamn most beautiful bioware game to date, imho.DA2 was a brilliantly told short story, with an abandonment of what I liked best about DAO and the recycled set pieces was a real problem for me, as it was immersion breaking and made me think about developer/publisher laziness and greed instead of playing the game. I don't know what drugs bioware were on while making DAII and ME2, but I hope they've ordered some for anthem as well, because again, I replayed this game at least 10 times. And yes, the environments were recycled, that was very sad. But sarcasta-Hawke, man. Sarcasta-Hawke! Best written PC in bioware yet.ME3 was almost exactly what I expected, and amazing, and then. Yeah. I didn't think they could top ME2, but they did. Only.. that ending... damn. But they did more than make up for it later by editing it, and by giving us the citadel DLC. Still best DLC I ever played, right up there with blood and wine.DAI I was super hyped for. God damnit mother scratching dog dicked donkey pooping dung beetle wrapped cat crap, never preorder any game from any developer again fuck these cashgrabbing <insert second expletive-filled rant> This game... I don't know, I just didn't feel it. It's like they wanted to go every direction with this game. I didn't even enjoy the gameplay, which normally it would seem like it's something for me, but... I don't know. I missed something. ME:A - well, this one was a thrill ride. I saw it coming, and refused to bend the knee. I waited, and listened. Many tried to like it, some actually loved it. Most admit it fell short in almost every area compared to all previous ME titles. I found that particularly hard to swallow, considering their knowledge that Mass Effect was in a delicate state after the uproar and dissatisfaction of many with the ME3 conclusion. Just egregious, really. Contrary to popular opinion, I actually liked this game a lot. Whatever people say about animations and some of the story delivery... I can see where they get it. But honestly, I enjoyed this game a LOT. The gameplay was fantastic (although the open world parts were a bit generic, though well designed). And the male Ryder has some really good sarcasta-Hawke line deliveries. He grew on me. I Hope they continue with andromeda, but learn from their mistakes. Also, Sorry wrex, but andromeda has the most krogannish krogan. .So, I just told you I played all of these games (albeit only 1:48 of my 2hr trial in Andromeda), own all of these titles (excluding MEA), own CE of two of these titles. I love 2 of them. I like 2 of them. I disliked 2 of them, and thought 1 had a chance to be brilliant (DA2) but was so rushed it was crap, while the last was just 100% mehwtflol (JE). Is this a finger in the air opinion? Updated!
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Post by Iakus on Dec 6, 2018 21:43:37 GMT
Mass Effect 1: Yeah gameplay could use some refinement, but they "refined" way too much in ME2. Story and setting had tons of potential that the first game had me excited to see. Sadly, that potential was never realized.
KOTOR: A modern classic. Star Wars was/is a beloved franchise and this game did it justice. Yeah, the storytelling mechanics may be slightly dated given the game is fifteen years old now, but it's still better than 90% of what's out there today.
Jade Empire: Not the best game Bioware has produced, but far from the worst. I'd pay good money for an HD "enhanced edition" to be made.
DAO: The last truly great Bioware game. They told us it was a spiritual Successor to the Baldur's Gate games, and they delivered on that promise.
ME2: A dozen characters in search of a plot. My first big Bioware disappointment. A shooter with a paper-thin story holding it together. Not a popular opinion, but I would have cut 1/3-half the characters and built a stronger main plot. One that actually tied together ME1 and ME3.
DA2: A good idea poorly implemented. Seeing how one person affects the lives of those around him or her over the course of a decade sounds like a great idea. Unfortunately for DA2, Alpha Protocol came out the previous year and did the in media res storytelling background way better. Also, the changes to the city, Hawke, and Hawke's companions over the years weren't really shown very well. Could more resources or time have helped? The world may never know.
ME3: Three words: Radioactive. Dumpster. Fire. Made me wish I had never heard of Mass Effect. Whatever gains made in the combat mechanics are more than lost in the horribly railroaded story and feeling of utter pointlessness in everything that led up to this moment. The only thing worse than the endings was Bioware's contemptuous treatment of those who complained.
DAI: Decent game, but tried too hard to be "Bioware's Skyrim". Beautiful but empty scenery everywhere. Also demonstrated Bioware's new obsession with "streamlining" combat to the point of it just becoming tedious button mashing. Thus why I got in the habit of just overleving myself for the story missions and just facerolling, so I could get through it quicker. Enjoyed the story though.
MEA: Not a terrible game, but not a very satisfying one either. Ryder didn't really feel like "my" character. It largely abandoned what made the game feel like "Mass Effect". Frankly I think it would have done better as the first game of a new IP. Also the combat had all the flaws of DAI, but more so. Also felt like it was used as a soapbox for Walters to preach how awesome transhumanism is.
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 6, 2018 22:40:47 GMT
It's cute that Iakus thinks anyone takes his whining about ME3's endings seriously when he considers the pile of shit that is the Happy Ending Mod "better."
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Post by Iakus on Dec 7, 2018 16:43:27 GMT
It's cute that Iakus thinks anyone takes his whining about ME3's endings seriously when he considers the pile of shit that is the Happy Ending Mod "better." Aaaand you're blocked.
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BioWare's track record. :hmm: Mass Effect 1 and KotOR are both instant classics for me. While they were good, they were also new inventions, and thus, people tend to look at them through more rose-colored glasses than they really are. Don't get me wrong, great games, but mass effect 1 wasn't exactly winning any gameplay awards... it was basically a point and click adventure.Jade Empire was just not good enough, all the way around. Dragon Age: Origins is a massive game, mostly well done, and has more interesting gameplay than KotOR with amazing command of your squad. DAO was simply all-round fantastic.Mass Effect 2 was a really fun game to play, but made some really shortsighted decisions and an absurdly goofy ending. Too short is the only gripe I had with this game. I replayed this at least 20 times. Goddamn most beautiful bioware game to date, imho.DA2 was a brilliantly told short story, with an abandonment of what I liked best about DAO and the recycled set pieces was a real problem for me, as it was immersion breaking and made me think about developer/publisher laziness and greed instead of playing the game. I don't know what drugs bioware were on while making DAII and ME2, but I hope they've ordered some for anthem as well, because again, I replayed this game at least 10 times. And yes, the environments were recycled, that was very sad. But sarcasta-Hawke, man. Sarcasta-Hawke! Best written PC in bioware yet.ME3 was almost exactly what I expected, and amazing, and then. Yeah. I didn't think they could top ME2, but they did. Only.. that ending... damn. But they did more than make up for it later by editing it, and by giving us the citadel DLC. Still best DLC I ever played, right up there with blood and wine.DAI I was super hyped for. God damnit mother scratching dog dicked donkey pooping dung beetle wrapped cat crap, never preorder any game from any developer again fuck these cashgrabbing <insert second expletive-filled rant> This game... I don't know, I just didn't feel it. It's like they wanted to go every direction with this game. I didn't even enjoy the gameplay, which normally it would seem like it's something for me, but... I don't know. I missed something. ME:A - well, this one was a thrill ride. I saw it coming, and refused to bend the knee. I waited, and listened. Many tried to like it, some actually loved it. Most admit it fell short in almost every area compared to all previous ME titles. I found that particularly hard to swallow, considering their knowledge that Mass Effect was in a delicate state after the uproar and dissatisfaction of many with the ME3 conclusion. Just egregious, really. Contrary to popular opinion, I actually liked this game a lot. Whatever people say about animations and some of the story delivery... I can see where they get it. But honestly, I enjoyed this game a LOT. The gameplay was fantastic (although the open world parts were a bit generic, though well designed). And the male Ryder has some really good sarcasta-Hawke line deliveries. He grew on me. I Hope they continue with andromeda, but learn from their mistakes. Also, Sorry wrex, but andromeda has the most krogannish krogan. .So, I just told you I played all of these games (albeit only 1:48 of my 2hr trial in Andromeda), own all of these titles (excluding MEA), own CE of two of these titles. I love 2 of them. I like 2 of them. I disliked 2 of them, and thought 1 had a chance to be brilliant (DA2) but was so rushed it was crap, while the last was just 100% mehwtflol (JE). Is this a finger in the air opinion? Updated!Guys, you are bringing way to much gameplay into a discussion that was about story. And when it comes to gameplay Andromeda runs in circles around the rest. Antherm looks like it could top Andromeda in the gameplay department though.
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Post by PillarBiter on Dec 10, 2018 7:47:46 GMT
Guys, you are bringing way to much gameplay into a discussion that was about story. And when it comes to gameplay Andromeda runs in circles around the rest. Antherm looks like it could top Andromeda in the gameplay department though. True enough.
and @ lakus, I find it humorous that you think andromeda abandoned what 'mass effect' was, while disliking oth ME2 and ME3... And also recognising ME1's mistakes, even. So did there ever even exist a mass effect you envisions as actually being 'mass effect'? Food for thought. But all in all, it's personal opinion and I respect how each person feels about the various games. I myself know I look way too fondly back at ME2, I won't even play it anymore because it'll probably obliterate my glorious nostalgic feelings.
... It's been a long time since a game was able to make me feel like that... Witcher 3 was last. I'm hoping anthem or cyberpunk may once again make me feel like that.
Although, I just finished DOOM, and by Jove, what a glorious marvel was that? Totally went in expecting nothing,. And this totally surprised me in a good way.
Come on, anthem. Please make me feel again! I'll even go in with low expectations!
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Post by ahglock on Dec 13, 2018 6:17:25 GMT
Guys, you are bringing way to much gameplay into a discussion that was about story. And when it comes to gameplay Andromeda runs in circles around the rest. Antherm looks like it could top Andromeda in the gameplay department though. True enough.
and @ lakus, I find it humorous that you think andromeda abandoned what 'mass effect' was, while disliking oth ME2 and ME3... And also recognising ME1's mistakes, even. So did there ever even exist a mass effect you envisions as actually being 'mass effect'? Food for thought. But all in all, it's personal opinion and I respect how each person feels about the various games. I myself know I look way too fondly back at ME2, I won't even play it anymore because it'll probably obliterate my glorious nostalgic feelings.
... It's been a long time since a game was able to make me feel like that... Witcher 3 was last. I'm hoping anthem or cyberpunk may once again make me feel like that.
Although, I just finished DOOM, and by Jove, what a glorious marvel was that? Totally went in expecting nothing,. And this totally surprised me in a good way.
Come on, anthem. Please make me feel again! I'll even go in with low expectations!
I liked all 3 mass effect games, though like everything they had flaws. I don't think MEA felt like ME. I'm going to use table top RPGs as an analogy, so many wont know what the heck i'm talking about but its all that sprang to mind. To use D&D as an analogy. darksun is D&D, forgotten realms is D&D but a forgotten realms campaign feels totally different from a darksun one. They use the same rules but the setting is enough removed that it no longer feels the same. MEA went for lighter which can feel like ME but hit slap stick a bit too often which doesn't. That doesn't make MEA bad, it just didn't really feel like ME. Going back to D&D and specifically the 3rd edition era, ME created a SRD and MEA used it for its own game like pathfinder but its not D&D exactly.
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Post by PillarBiter on Dec 13, 2018 8:14:49 GMT
True enough.
and @ lakus, I find it humorous that you think andromeda abandoned what 'mass effect' was, while disliking oth ME2 and ME3... And also recognising ME1's mistakes, even. So did there ever even exist a mass effect you envisions as actually being 'mass effect'? Food for thought. But all in all, it's personal opinion and I respect how each person feels about the various games. I myself know I look way too fondly back at ME2, I won't even play it anymore because it'll probably obliterate my glorious nostalgic feelings.
... It's been a long time since a game was able to make me feel like that... Witcher 3 was last. I'm hoping anthem or cyberpunk may once again make me feel like that.
Although, I just finished DOOM, and by Jove, what a glorious marvel was that? Totally went in expecting nothing,. And this totally surprised me in a good way.
Come on, anthem. Please make me feel again! I'll even go in with low expectations!
I liked all 3 mass effect games, though like everything they had flaws. I don't think MEA felt like ME. I'm going to use table top RPGs as an analogy, so many wont know what the heck i'm talking about but its all that sprang to mind. To use D&D as an analogy. darksun is D&D, forgotten realms is D&D but a forgotten realms campaign feels totally different from a darksun one. They use the same rules but the setting is enough removed that it no longer feels the same. MEA went for lighter which can feel like ME but hit slap stick a bit too often which doesn't. That doesn't make MEA bad, it just didn't really feel like ME. Going back to D&D and specifically the 3rd edition era, ME created a SRD and MEA used it for its own game like pathfinder but its not D&D exactly.
Yes, but will they ever be able to make you feel like the opening scene in mass effect 1 again? Where you fly through the relay for th efirst time? That's pinnacle ME, for me.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 13, 2018 9:28:55 GMT
I liked all 3 mass effect games, though like everything they had flaws. I don't think MEA felt like ME. I'm going to use table top RPGs as an analogy, so many wont know what the heck i'm talking about but its all that sprang to mind. To use D&D as an analogy. darksun is D&D, forgotten realms is D&D but a forgotten realms campaign feels totally different from a darksun one. They use the same rules but the setting is enough removed that it no longer feels the same. MEA went for lighter which can feel like ME but hit slap stick a bit too often which doesn't. That doesn't make MEA bad, it just didn't really feel like ME. Going back to D&D and specifically the 3rd edition era, ME created a SRD and MEA used it for its own game like pathfinder but its not D&D exactly.
Yes, but will they ever be able to make you feel like the opening scene in mass effect 1 again? Where you fly through the relay for th efirst time? That's pinnacle ME, for me. I definitely got that in MEA. Soooo many times.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 14, 2018 2:46:00 GMT
I liked all 3 mass effect games, though like everything they had flaws. I don't think MEA felt like ME. I'm going to use table top RPGs as an analogy, so many wont know what the heck i'm talking about but its all that sprang to mind. To use D&D as an analogy. darksun is D&D, forgotten realms is D&D but a forgotten realms campaign feels totally different from a darksun one. They use the same rules but the setting is enough removed that it no longer feels the same. MEA went for lighter which can feel like ME but hit slap stick a bit too often which doesn't. That doesn't make MEA bad, it just didn't really feel like ME. Going back to D&D and specifically the 3rd edition era, ME created a SRD and MEA used it for its own game like pathfinder but its not D&D exactly.
Yes, but will they ever be able to make you feel like the opening scene in mass effect 1 again? Where you fly through the relay for th efirst time? That's pinnacle ME, for me. The intro of MEA did, that was short lived as they changed the feels to a comedy routine pretty early on. It's pretty fixable I think as the setting at its core is kind of dark, they just for some odd reason had characters yucking it up constantly.
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Post by PillarBiter on Dec 14, 2018 7:05:36 GMT
Yes, but will they ever be able to make you feel like the opening scene in mass effect 1 again? Where you fly through the relay for th efirst time? That's pinnacle ME, for me. The intro of MEA did, that was short lived as they changed the feels to a comedy routine pretty early on. It's pretty fixable I think as the setting at its core is kind of dark, they just for some odd reason had characters yucking it up constantly. Aptly put.
I kinda like the shtick. It's mostly well done in MEA. But there's a time and a place, bioware.
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