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Post by vit246 on Dec 17, 2018 17:25:03 GMT
Cerberus was nonsensical after ME1. Really? Without them Shepard would still be dead. Without them, there would be no SR2. Without them, the reapers would have succeeded with the harvest. Look at the Aliiance. What did they do? Apparently they made no attempt to confirm Shepard is dead. Of course it didn't help that the stupid asari made no attempt to inform them that the body was in Cerberus hand's. Then you have the clown called Anderson who says its up to him/her to find a way to stop the reapers. He never cared. The Alliance never cared. **** them. In ME3, Cerberus becomes the keystone cops while Shepard is stuck with the Alliance. Anderson say's they want Shepard to help find a way to stop the reapers after saying what he did in ME2. Where's the interrupt to smack the clown upside the head? They're also the same idiots to have Shepard locked up for 6 months instead of trying to find a way to stop the reapers. Like I said. Scrap ME2 entirely. It's practically filler. Write something else.Shepard didn't have to die and then be resurrected but then nobody really cared about that fact. It was basically a glorified coma. The S2 could've been made by the Alliance instead. The Alliance was written to be stupid like that just so Shepard could look good by comparison. Because RPG factions cannot be allowed to be competent within reason. They have to be incompetent and stupid beyond reason so that the Main Character Does Everything for them.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 17, 2018 18:27:54 GMT
Cerberus was nonsensical after ME1. Really? Without them Shepard would still be dead. Without them, there would be no SR2. Without them, the reapers would have succeeded with the harvest. Without them, Shepard probably wouldn't have died at the beginning of ME2. Even setting that aside, their level of power was too unbelievable, even within the context of a science fiction game.
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 17, 2018 23:16:42 GMT
Really? Without them Shepard would still be dead. Without them, there would be no SR2. Without them, the reapers would have succeeded with the harvest. Look at the Aliiance. What did they do? Apparently they made no attempt to confirm Shepard is dead. Of course it didn't help that the stupid asari made no attempt to inform them that the body was in Cerberus hand's. Then you have the clown called Anderson who says its up to him/her to find a way to stop the reapers. He never cared. The Alliance never cared. **** them. In ME3, Cerberus becomes the keystone cops while Shepard is stuck with the Alliance. Anderson say's they want Shepard to help find a way to stop the reapers after saying what he did in ME2. Where's the interrupt to smack the clown upside the head? They're also the same idiots to have Shepard locked up for 6 months instead of trying to find a way to stop the reapers. Like I said. Scrap ME2 entirely. It's practically filler. Write something else.Shepard didn't have to die and then be resurrected but then nobody really cared about that fact. It was basically a glorified coma. The S2 could've been made by the Alliance instead. The Alliance was written to be stupid like that just so Shepard could look good by comparison. Because RPG factions cannot be allowed to be competent within reason. They have to be incompetent and stupid beyond reason so that the Main Character Does Everything for them. Really?... ME2 was not filler it was a bridge between 1 And 3 it setup the story about the illusive man and his indroctronation to control, just like the yahoo explained in the temple, on Thesidia . (Waves at Clould9)
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 18, 2018 1:11:29 GMT
The one thing I can think of right now that hasn't been mentioned already is more stuff for Kelly. She could have been so interesting on the Normandy in ME3, using her psychology to help each teammate as they deal with their issues and led to some interesting conversations. Then do things like have her not be the only LI not in the Citadel DLC. Speaking of LIs, have some of the romances be non-sexual. Tali was the perfect opportunity for that because of her suit, but instead they trivialized the situation Quarians were in because the power of boners is stronger I guess. Chambers deserved better. I mean, they could have at least remembered her in the Citadel DLC. With all the goofy stuff that happened in that campaign, it wouldn't have been a huge break of anything to have her appear. I don't think they could have put her there. Kelly changed her identity and presumably went into hiding. Any association with Shepard would have made her a target again. Still, I agree that they could have done something, maybe even a temporary second alias so she could be present.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 18, 2018 1:14:49 GMT
Really?... ME2 was not filler it was a bridge between 1 And 3 it setup the story about the illusive man and his indroctronation to control, just like the yahoo explained in the temple, on Thesidia . (Waves at Clould9) I don't know if I agree but some have suggested using a lot of the stuff from ME2 and made it part of a first game. Collectors are this threat and we find out who their masters are. Sovereign is fought in ME2 and then the full force of Reapers arrives in ME3. In fact, in this reworking of order of games, Cerberus could still have been a black project at the time and helpful to Shepard. Then, in the revised ME2, Cerberus goes rogue because they don't believe the Alliance is taking the coming threat seriously.
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Post by Phantom on Dec 18, 2018 2:11:33 GMT
I might do a new thread that would make a good companion thread to this as a possible ME3 Remake thread. It involved Shepard Not fighting Cerberus at all but be more involved in fighting Reapers.
But introduce a New Player Character that deals with collecting the Living Cerberus members and re-organizing them into fighting the Reapers. Of course there will be a new faction, T.I.M. and much of the Cerberus Leadership gets killed off early on by the new Reaper Faction. Of course, Chronos Station for the New Player Character will be one of the hubs you can use. There will be three capable suriving leaders that helped upper Management of Cerberus will become the new heads of Cerberus. They will ask the new Player to finds ways to subtly help Shepard while rebuilding Cerberus. In short as of Right now, My ME3 Remake will have 2 Protagonist(Shepard and Cerberus Agent). Shepard's story as is ME3 Remake will not change much outside of Removing Cerberus from his story. Cerberus Agent will deal with the Rebuilding Cerberus, Dodging Reaper Sleeper Agents, Rescuing other Cerberus Agents and subtly Helping Shepard.
Oh yeah btw, this is my devil post as of right now. So my post is 666 and now it is cursed.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 19, 2018 8:47:33 GMT
Chambers deserved better. I mean, they could have at least remembered her in the Citadel DLC. With all the goofy stuff that happened in that campaign, it wouldn't have been a huge break of anything to have her appear. I don't think they could have put her there. Kelly changed her identity and presumably went into hiding. Any association with Shepard would have made her a target again. Still, I agree that they could have done something, maybe even a temporary second alias so she could be present. Honestly, because of the sheer ridiculousness of the Citadel DLC's campaign, I'd be willing to give this a little leeway. Besides, if Kelly successfully changed her identity, she should be able to get away with exploring the Wards without worry. It's not as if it isn't already suspect if Shepard visits her multiple times in the refugee holding area.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 3, 2019 19:50:17 GMT
Really? Without them Shepard would still be dead. Without them, there would be no SR2. Without them, the reapers would have succeeded with the harvest. Without them, Shepard probably wouldn't have died at the beginning of ME2. Even setting that aside, their level of power was too unbelievable, even within the context of a science fiction game. Agreed. They went from being this shadowy organisation in the background to an army rivaling some of the Citadel races. It'd be like if the Illuminati suddenly showed up with fleets of aircraft carriers, submarines, and their own personal helicarrier. Seems out of character for how they were portrayed and really ludicrous.
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Post by sassafrassa on Jan 4, 2019 3:57:22 GMT
I'd want it to expand on the open combat scenarios of ME1. You know, driving up and assaulting those merc bases on Uncharted Worlds, and the big arena-like areas. Take some focus off of being a cover-shooter and let you use more powers that allow you to fight in the open, or by increasing your mobility. I haven't played ME3, but it seems like its weapon and mod system would be good to retroactively use in the other games. I want weapons and mods that make a difference, that change the function and utility of a weapon to suit different playstyles. ME1 had lots of weapons and mods but in the end they all felt the same and functioned the same.
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Post by HYR on Jan 4, 2019 8:13:12 GMT
No Reapers.
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Post by wright1978 on Jan 4, 2019 17:55:06 GMT
me2 companions as possible companions in me3. Me3 to be less earth/human/alliance focused. Me3 shep to have less auto dialogue and have neutral dialogue options Me3 to be more reaper and have Cerberus as potential ally rather than spending much of time fighting Cerberus No train wreck deus ex machine ending featuring star boy and shep autodeath. Proper detailed epilogues
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Post by Phantom on Jan 4, 2019 18:29:56 GMT
me2 companions as possible companions in me3. Me3 to be less earth/human/alliance focused. Me3 shep to have less auto dialogue and have neutral dialogue options Me3 to be more reaper and have Cerberus as potential ally rather than spending much of time fighting Cerberus No train wreck deus ex machine ending featuring star boy and shep autodeath. Proper detailed epilogues As for the Cerberus Potential Ally and more Reaper focused, I do think that 2 or more factions that ally with the Reapers should replace the ME3 Cerberus as the Reaper Allied factions. And in addition to that increase Reaper Sleeper agents to mess with the Players. I have 2 Reaper Allied Factions that can be usable.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 5, 2019 9:17:07 GMT
Mass Effect should have stealth mechanics for players to engage in stealth to takedown enemies, or to sneak through them without getting into combat. And make it optional for players to have a choice to go quiet or to go loud, and have the protagonist's stealth abilities as perks similar to Wildlands.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 8, 2019 7:40:51 GMT
I agree. Regardless of inconsistencies, I still believer we'd end up with some pale imitation. Besides, we know how this ends. We know Shepard's story. Come up with something new instead.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 8, 2019 8:41:36 GMT
Reapers can still be in the story. They just need to be rewritten.
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Post by HYR on Jan 8, 2019 9:37:41 GMT
Reapers can still be in the stor NO!!!
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Post by ahglock on Jan 9, 2019 16:57:34 GMT
Mass Effect should have stealth mechanics for players to engage in stealth to takedown enemies, or to sneak through them without getting into combat. And make it optional for players to have a choice to go quiet or to go loud, and have the protagonist's stealth abilities as perks similar to Wildlands. While I like this idea very few games can pull off a good stealth mechanic while also having a solid combat one.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 6, 2019 8:28:08 GMT
Reapers can still be in the stor NO!!! Well, do you have any ideas what's Mass Effect going to be about?
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 6, 2019 10:30:53 GMT
You guys are really obsessed with remakes. For me is just rehashed old stuff. I want new stories.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 6, 2019 17:17:48 GMT
You guys are really obsessed with remakes. For me is just rehashed old stuff. I want new stories. Agreed, but it also needs a credible threat. It's hard to top the Reapers. Even if you do, it makes the Reaper War seem like NBD. I think MEA was sort of the right answer but it was a bit too light and didn't show the kett as a true threat.
Even in ME1, we understood the grave nature of the Reapers. They were known to have killed, at the least, one prior cycle's worth of organics, and Liara's own research suggested more beyond that. Saren was a significant threat and being backed by the geth made it even more so. What we saw on Eden Prime alone was greater than anything encountered in the Heleus Cluster. Indoctrination was insane because you never knew who you could really trust. When the kett change someone, it's obvious and you know right off that it's an enemy. Sovereign was a massive threat itself. Taking it down led to massive casualties. We see that in ME3 with the war assets. In fact, if not for the Protheans, and beyond that the invasion of Eden Prime, the current cycle would also have become extinct.
The kett just don't match up. I'm not saying a galaxy-wide threat in Andromeda is required. How many people in the AI went to Andromeda? Couldn't have been that many and most remained frozen during the time of MEA. That meant that a fairly small group of people (not including the exiles) took on the arm of an empire and won. That doesn't lead us to believe the kett are a real threat. And you have to assume that more people would be released from cryo by the time more of the kett show up.
MEA needed something more powerful, some looming threat to hook us into wanting a second game. I've always been clear that I enjoyed MEA but I do see where others are coming from. If that massive threat had appeared, Ryder would have stood no chance, even with SAM. If an MEA2 were to materialize, they need a "shit your pants" type of threat. Maybe we learn that the kett aren't actually the bad guys but that everything they've done was to hold back against something truly terrible. It could change the way the kett are viewed and give us the enemy we deserve.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 6, 2019 17:25:03 GMT
You guys are really obsessed with remakes. For me is just rehashed old stuff. I want new stories. Agreed, but it also needs a credible threat. It's hard to top the Reapers. Even if you do, it makes the Reaper War seem like NBD. I think MEA was sort of the right answer but it was a bit too light and didn't show the kett as a true threat.
Even in ME1, we understood the grave nature of the Reapers. They were known to have killed, at the least, one prior cycle's worth of organics, and Liara's own research suggested more beyond that. Saren was a significant threat and being backed by the geth made it even more so. What we saw on Eden Prime alone was greater than anything encountered in the Heleus Cluster. Indoctrination was insane because you never knew who you could really trust. When the kett change someone, it's obvious and you know right off that it's an enemy. Sovereign was a massive threat itself. Taking it down led to massive casualties. We see that in ME3 with the war assets. In fact, if not for the Protheans, and beyond that the invasion of Eden Prime, the current cycle would also have become extinct.
The kett just don't match up. I'm not saying a galaxy-wide threat in Andromeda is required. How many people in the AI went to Andromeda? Couldn't have been that many and most remained frozen during the time of MEA. That meant that a fairly small group of people (not including the exiles) took on the arm of an empire and won. That doesn't lead us to believe the kett are a real threat. And you have to assume that more people would be released from cryo by the time more of the kett show up.
MEA needed something more powerful, some looming threat to hook us into wanting a second game. I've always been clear that I enjoyed MEA but I do see where others are coming from. If that massive threat had appeared, Ryder would have stood no chance, even with SAM. If an MEA2 were to materialize, they need a "shit your pants" type of threat. Maybe we learn that the kett aren't actually the bad guys but that everything they've done was to hold back against something truly terrible. It could change the way the kett are viewed and give us the enemy we deserve.
I've always said it neednt be bigger and more menacing and even greater universe gobbling scale when it comes to the main story. Stories can be about much smaller scales when narrated well. But thta's just me.
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Post by HYR on Feb 6, 2019 19:25:08 GMT
Well, do you have any ideas what's Mass Effect going to be about? I really think Bio was onto something with DA2 & ME2. They were not "save the world" stories, not really. DA2 was about one person's rise to power against the odds. ME2 revolved around this suicide mission, and how the team involved was coping with their unfinished business -- if saving the world from the Reapers/Collectors was still part of the story, it took a backseat for sure to more personal ones. You could have told that story without Reapers. Some mysterious alien race nobody really knows about is abducting colonists out in the fringes of space and harvesting them for their science experiment/reproductive ritual. Boom, done, no galaxy-wide threat required. If I were getting paid to write their stories, I would bother to brainstorm ideas for a new ME in earnest. I'm not, though, so doing so would just be a waste of my time. (Yet here I am, right?) DA4 has to do what it has to do: stop Solas (i.e. save the world). That's fine. ME:next, though? I hope they go more in a different direction.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 6, 2019 20:08:05 GMT
You guys are really obsessed with remakes. For me is just rehashed old stuff. I want new stories. Then write one.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 6, 2019 23:14:26 GMT
You guys are really obsessed with remakes. For me is just rehashed old stuff. I want new stories. Well, it's a fun premise to debate even if the whole concept is kinda dopey.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 6, 2019 23:19:10 GMT
You guys are really obsessed with remakes. For me is just rehashed old stuff. I want new stories. Agreed, but it also needs a credible threat. It's hard to top the Reapers. Even if you do, it makes the Reaper War seem like NBD. I think MEA was sort of the right answer but it was a bit too light and didn't show the kett as a true threat. The interesting question is why the kett didn't feel threatening. "Feel" because, objectively, they are threatening. Militarily, they're obviously a threat; the angara haven't been able to beat them, and the AI doesn't add much military power to that. And the threat to use Meridian against both the angara and the AI is credible.
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