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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 6, 2018 15:00:34 GMT
I really hope its revealed at The Game Awards... the tease never said it would actually be there. Nope, in fact, they said that they won't tell when and where any sort of revel about DA will happen. It could be the silliest and least expected thing ever any time in December. Sure, it's just the whole "but we won't tell you where!" Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Telling us a couple days BEFORE the actual show.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 6, 2018 15:02:10 GMT
Nope, in fact, they said that they won't tell when and where any sort of revel about DA will happen. It could be the silliest and least expected thing ever any time in December. Sure, it's just the whole "but we won't tell you where!" Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Telling us a couple days BEFORE the actual show. I know, I know. But they still have plausible deniability in case nothing/not what we expected happened.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 6, 2018 15:04:30 GMT
I really hope its revealed at The Game Awards... the tease never said it would actually be there. They didn’t, but it’s a pretty likely candidate. I can’t think of any other event in December that would let them reach as wide an audience. "10 seconds of 2018! 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, Dragon Age This and That releases at this date!, 3, 2, 1!"
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Post by Blaze on Dec 6, 2018 15:24:53 GMT
They didn’t, but it’s a pretty likely candidate. I can’t think of any other event in December that would let them reach as wide an audience. "10 seconds of 2018! 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, Dragon Age This and That releases at this date!, 3, 2, 1!" that would be the perfect timing though we don't know that we get a release date. at most we likely gonna get released at [season] [year].
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 6, 2018 15:31:50 GMT
"10 seconds of 2018! 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, Dragon Age This and That releases at this date!, 3, 2, 1!" that would be the perfect timing though we don't know that we get a release date. at most we likely gonna get released at [season] [year]. Yea, I'm not sure I expect even a season - but who knows?
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Post by tarka33 on Dec 6, 2018 19:03:38 GMT
What exactly is so different about the video game industry that makes it so difficult to project accurate time frames for projects? This problem is not at all common in film or any other industry I've ever heard of.[/quote] I’m a civil engineer, and I can tell you engineering projects almost *always* never get delivered on time and to budget - big projects of any kind are just difficult to accurately predict and program.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 6, 2018 19:04:03 GMT
It could be there is going to be a further 3 year wait for DA4 but I don't believe the reasons given for this by the article. Didn't Casey Hudson specifically state that the rumours and worries fans had about the "live service" slant of EA were unfounded where Dragon Age was concerned?
Also the core team have definitely been actively working on the game for some time now, even if they wouldn't admit as much, so it seems highly unlikely that EA threw out all their pre-production work. I also think that telling us to watch for news in December only to reveal that we will have to wait another 3 years for it to come out would be something of a let down.
I also seem to recall that someone, though I can't remember who, from the team (it might have been Mike Laidlaw before he left, it might not) said that they had felt they had too long a lead into DAI from when it was first officially announced, which seemed to suggest that the reason they were not officially announcing anything is that they wouldn't do so until they were much closer to completion than they had been for DAI. That does not fit with a tease of announcing the game, with possibly its title, in December 2018 and then having to wait until 2021 for its release.
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Post by Julilla on Dec 6, 2018 19:05:07 GMT
BioWare, please. Your DA fans are tearing each other up over here. Do you see this madness? They desperately need help. An announcement of the "new DA game on the way" type would really help! Please let me have this for the holidays, because the last thing you did on my birthday (Sept 8th) was destroy my Solavellan's heart. OK, thanks.
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p.s. please finish before I retire because I am getting pretty old over here
p.p.s I don't want to play in the retirement home because of the saucy romance bits, so hurry, k?
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Post by Iakus on Dec 6, 2018 19:24:13 GMT
It could be there is going to be a further 3 year wait for DA4 but I don't believe the reasons given for this by the article. Didn't Casey Hudson specifically state that the rumours and worries fans had about the "live service" slant of EA were unfounded where Dragon Age was concerned?
Also the core team have definitely been actively working on the game for some time now, even if they wouldn't admit as much, so it seems highly unlikely that EA threw out all their pre-production work. I also think that telling us to watch for news in December only to reveal that we will have to wait another 3 years for it to come out would be something of a let down.
I also seem to recall that someone, though I can't remember who, from the team (it might have been Mike Laidlaw before he left, it might not) said that they had felt they had too long a lead into DAI from when it was first officially announced, which seemed to suggest that the reason they were not officially announcing anything is that they wouldn't do so until they were much closer to completion than they had been for DAI. That does not fit with a tease of announcing the game, with possibly its title, in December 2018 and then having to wait until 2021 for its release.
They announced DAI way early because of the double whammy of the ME3 debacle and the announcement of the Doctors leaving Bioware. There was serious concern at the time that Bioware was going to completely fold. So they announced DAI to reassure people that wasn't' the case. That was still only a three and a half year gap between DA2 and DAI. We are past the four year mark already. As to rumors and worries about live service: I'm going to call them completely justified until they are specifically addressed with something more than vague hand-waving. I've been burned too many times to settle for anything but concrete reassurances
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 7, 2018 10:59:01 GMT
(Bonus: Writer Sylvia Feketekuty's Twitter bio describes her as: Obviously the unannounced project is Dragon Age 4 and explicitly not Anthem. So how the hell is she working on a supposedly-shelved project?) Confirmation that Sylvia Feketekuty's "unannounced game" is indeed Dragon Age 4.So yeah, y'know, they don't have a "substantial amount" into the game when one person can name at least ten major BioWare regulars who've been working on the game for "quite a while now."
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(Bonus: Writer Sylvia Feketekuty's Twitter bio describes her as: Obviously the unannounced project is Dragon Age 4 and explicitly not Anthem. So how the hell is she working on a supposedly-shelved project?) Confirmation that Sylvia Feketekuty's "unannounced game" is indeed Dragon Age 4.So yeah, y'know, they don't have a "substantial amount" into the game when one person can name at least ten major BioWare regulars who've been working on the game for "quite a while now." Typical small team size involved in pre-production work. Especially when most of them are writers. Storyline and storyboarding is pre-production work. VentureBeat is right, there isn't a substantial amount done.
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Post by Quinton O'Connor on Dec 7, 2018 11:11:08 GMT
I don't want to get into it much right now since this should be a night of joy that DA4 has finally been announced, but Kotaku's Jason Schreier -- a guy whose work I've followed for years and whom I've had the pleasure of speaking to a handful of times -- reported earlier this year that much of the previously-existing work on the game had been tossed out and rebooted. While I doubt the overall writing plan and art design work would have changed much, the core of the project must have been shaken and stirred aplenty. He posted in ResetEra's VentureBeat article thread a bit the other day, echoing the overarching sentiment that it will be "a long time" before this game is out. He didn't speak to any of the other content in that article, but that was enough to confirm for me, personally, that yeah, this might be a Holiday 2021 game. Just my two cents. I'm not going to try to persuade anyone from hoping otherwise, and indeed I'd love to be wrong myself! I think it's wonderful that so much of the old guard is back, hard at work, and that they've been at this project for quite some time. But I'm convinced it's a long ways off.
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Post by river82 on Dec 7, 2018 11:15:31 GMT
I don't want to get into it much right now since this should be a night of joy that DA4 has finally been announced, but Kotaku's Jason Schreier -- a guy whose work I've followed for years and whom I've had the pleasure of speaking to a handful of times -- reported earlier this year that much of the previously-existing work on the game had been tossed out and rebooted. While I doubt the overall writing plan and art design work would have changed much, the core of the project must have been shaken and stirred aplenty. He posted in ResetEra's VentureBeat article thread a bit the other day, echoing the overarching sentiment that it will be "a long time" before this game is out. He didn't speak to any of the other content in that article, but that was enough to confirm for me, personally, that yeah, this might be a Holiday 2021 game. Just my two cents. I'm not going to try to persuade anyone from hoping otherwise, and indeed I'd love to be wrong myself! I think it's wonderful that so much of the old guard is back, hard at work, and that they've been at this project for quite some time. But I'm convinced it's a long ways off. And Jason Schreier has exceptional sources, despite how people might feel about him personally. Like, before his article about Andromeda, and subsequent articles on other games, he was known for leaking out details about Destiny and hardly ever being wrong. So it's enough to confirm for me also that this will be 2021. I don't mind though, good games take time
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Post by Quinton O'Connor on Dec 7, 2018 11:18:38 GMT
I don't want to get into it much right now since this should be a night of joy that DA4 has finally been announced, but Kotaku's Jason Schreier -- a guy whose work I've followed for years and whom I've had the pleasure of speaking to a handful of times -- reported earlier this year that much of the previously-existing work on the game had been tossed out and rebooted. While I doubt the overall writing plan and art design work would have changed much, the core of the project must have been shaken and stirred aplenty. He posted in ResetEra's VentureBeat article thread a bit the other day, echoing the overarching sentiment that it will be "a long time" before this game is out. He didn't speak to any of the other content in that article, but that was enough to confirm for me, personally, that yeah, this might be a Holiday 2021 game. Just my two cents. I'm not going to try to persuade anyone from hoping otherwise, and indeed I'd love to be wrong myself! I think it's wonderful that so much of the old guard is back, hard at work, and that they've been at this project for quite some time. But I'm convinced it's a long ways off. And Jason Schreier has exceptional sources, despite how people might feel about him personally. Like, before his article about Andromeda, and subsequent articles on other games, he was known for leaking out details about Destiny and hardly ever being wrong. So it's enough to confirm for me also that this will be 2021. I don't mind though, good games take time Yup! They absolutely do. This will be worth the wait. The long wait. The very long wait. The... *starts another Dragon Age playthrough*
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 7, 2018 11:22:36 GMT
I don't want to get into it much right now since this should be a night of joy that DA4 has finally been announced, but Kotaku's Jason Schreier -- a guy whose work I've followed for years and whom I've had the pleasure of speaking to a handful of times -- reported earlier this year that much of the previously-existing work on the game had been tossed out and rebooted. While I doubt the overall writing plan and art design work would have changed much, the core of the project must have been shaken and stirred aplenty. He posted in ResetEra's VentureBeat article thread a bit the other day, echoing the overarching sentiment that it will be "a long time" before this game is out. He didn't speak to any of the other content in that article, but that was enough to confirm for me, personally, that yeah, this might be a Holiday 2021 game. Just my two cents. I'm not going to try to persuade anyone from hoping otherwise, and indeed I'd love to be wrong myself! I think it's wonderful that so much of the old guard is back, hard at work, and that they've been at this project for quite some time. But I'm convinced it's a long ways off. 1. Schreier actually walked back on his word of the word "reboot." 2. As mentioned earlier, David Gaider has said Inquisition has gone through replans and redesigns. Once more, we have nitwits trying to turn standard BioWare game development into fearmongering BS. 3. If Schreier had anything concrete to attack the game with, he would in a heartbeat. He doesn't have even a shred of evidence he can use to pander to his human-trash audience who wants to hear an excuse to attack and threaten BioWare's staff and fans. That says a lot.
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Post by Quinton O'Connor on Dec 7, 2018 11:26:41 GMT
I don't want to get into it much right now since this should be a night of joy that DA4 has finally been announced, but Kotaku's Jason Schreier -- a guy whose work I've followed for years and whom I've had the pleasure of speaking to a handful of times -- reported earlier this year that much of the previously-existing work on the game had been tossed out and rebooted. While I doubt the overall writing plan and art design work would have changed much, the core of the project must have been shaken and stirred aplenty. He posted in ResetEra's VentureBeat article thread a bit the other day, echoing the overarching sentiment that it will be "a long time" before this game is out. He didn't speak to any of the other content in that article, but that was enough to confirm for me, personally, that yeah, this might be a Holiday 2021 game. Just my two cents. I'm not going to try to persuade anyone from hoping otherwise, and indeed I'd love to be wrong myself! I think it's wonderful that so much of the old guard is back, hard at work, and that they've been at this project for quite some time. But I'm convinced it's a long ways off. 1. Schreier actually walked back on his word of the word "reboot." 2. As mentioned earlier, David Gaider has said Inquisition has gone through replans and redesigns. Once more, we have nitwits trying to turn standard BioWare game development into fearmongering BS. 3. If Schreier had anything concrete to attack the game with, he would in a heartbeat. He doesn't have even a shred of evidence he can use to pander to his human-trash audience who wants to hear an excuse to attack and threaten BioWare's staff and fans. That says a lot. I'm not going to respond to the third part because I disagree too strongly, but here is Schreier clarifying just the other day that he never meant to walk back on anything: www.resetera.com/threads/venturebeat-sources-dragon-age-4-to-be-revealed-at-the-game-awards-years-from-release.85051/page-3#post-15641521www.resetera.com/threads/venturebeat-sources-dragon-age-4-to-be-revealed-at-the-game-awards-years-from-release.85051/page-3#post-15641782
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 7, 2018 11:31:25 GMT
I'm not going to respond to the third part because I disagree too strongly, but here is Schreier clarifying just the other day that he never meant to walk back on anything: So Schreier got called out for his bullshit in claiming the game was "rebooted", tried to backpedal, and now wants to leapfrog on the VentureBeat article despite it being even more full of shit than Schreier's garbage. Wake up and smell the roses. This is a man who makes a living pandering to people who threaten developers' lives off of the garbage he spouts.
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Post by river82 on Dec 7, 2018 11:32:25 GMT
He clarified the term "reboot" to mean with respect to the direction of the game, and people think he walked back his statement for some weird reason. He didn't even need to clarify the word, because right there in his original article it states "the goal [of the reboot] was to add more live services to the game" which obviously doesn't mean to take everything back to square one ... which was how someone on resetera bizarrely took it : S
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Post by Quinton O'Connor on Dec 7, 2018 11:34:38 GMT
I'm not going to respond to the third part because I disagree too strongly, but here is Schreier clarifying just the other day that he never meant to walk back on anything: So Schreier got called out for his bullshit in claiming the game was "rebooted", tried to backpedal, and now wants to leapfrog on the VentureBeat article despite it being even more full of shit than Schreier's garbage. Wake up and smell the roses. This is a man who makes a living pandering to people who threaten developers' lives off of the garbage he spouts. I respect your right to say this, but I disagree emphatically with the notion that that has ever been the man's intent. We're both excited for Dragon Age 4, yes? I suggest we focus on that in our conversations from hereon out.
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Post by river82 on Dec 7, 2018 11:34:39 GMT
I'm beginning to think arcanistranger is an alt account made solely for the purpose of trolling ...
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Post by samhain444 on Dec 7, 2018 11:46:08 GMT
Neither Venturebeat nor Jason know the true timeline. They both have "sources", which may or not be with the company still..or if ever.
One thing that is for certain is a lot BioWare/Dragon Age veterans are leading/attached to the project and, per their own words, they:
"...have been working on #TheDreadWolfRises for quite a while now with an eye to what the fans love about DA. Which is easy since we love DA too."
So, they've been working on it awhile...and Jason clarified he believes it was a "directional reboot". Doesn't sound like they scrapped it entirely with a blank sheet.
Could it be 3 years? Yeah, I guess but it feels sooner to me. Guess we'll see...
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 7, 2018 11:50:39 GMT
Here's what I'm going to bet:
2021. That's the only concrete fact that parasites gaming journalists know. We know their sources are full of shit on Laidlaw and the "reboot", but that seems a reasonable expectation based on typical BioWare game dev time.
So these hacks can then go, "2021 - 2018 = 3, therefore three years away!" and pretend not to acknowledge that 95% of 2021 is not three years away.
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Post by river82 on Dec 7, 2018 11:51:59 GMT
We know their sources are full of shit on Laidlaw and the "reboot", but that seems a reasonable expectation based on typical BioWare game dev time. Incorrect yet again.
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 7, 2018 11:56:39 GMT
We know that VentureBeat and Schreier's claims of a "reboot" that drove Mike Laidlaw away doesn't actually match the timeline of Laidlaw's departure or Laidlaw's own words. The entire rationale behind believing this rumors is insisting that people who actually know the truth are all lying.
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Post by river82 on Dec 7, 2018 12:04:47 GMT
We know that VentureBeat and Schreier's claims of a "reboot" that drove Mike Laidlaw away doesn't actually match the timeline of Laidlaw's departure or Laidlaw's own words. The entire rationale behind believing this rumors is insisting that people who actually know the truth are all lying. Firstly Laidlaw never denied there was a reboot. He said Dragon Age went through a redesign phase and it's pretty normal, and that definition matches up with the term "reboot". Schreider was right here. Schreider later clarified that when he used the term he didn't think it would carry such drastic connotations with the community. As Laidlaw says redesigns in the pre-production phase are pretty normal, and it's the place for these things to occur, so Laidlaw (being close to developers) may have thrown the term out there without realising the public would take it badly. Secondly the timeline seems to match up fairly well with Laidlaw's departure. Thirdly, I don't know whether the reboot drove Laidlaw away. Laidlaw's saying all the right things publicly and that's what professionals do, they don't rock boats. That being said changes in the creative direction of Dragon Age games has already caused one creative lead to leave the company (Brett Knowles, who left a year or two after DA2's change in direction). It wouldn't surprise me if Laidlaw left partially because of that.
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