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Post by melbella on Jan 3, 2019 2:20:55 GMT
The magic in this place has seeped into the stones, protecting it from darkness. This is interesting as it suggests that had Corypheus been looking for Skyhold before we occupied it, he could not have entered it even if he had found it. Darkness is now synonymous with the Blight and blighted creatures. Corypheus even says that after they discovered the darkness they let it "permeate their being". So that does suggest that people are right to say that it would have been impossible for Corypheus to attack us there because of the magical nature of the structure. It might also be why Solas guided us to it as our base of operations knowing that it would be a sanctuary from the blighted Magister.
It's not absolute though, because Grey Wardens can enter the grounds. Stroud/Loghain/Alistair, and Ser Ruth for judgment.
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Post by phoray on Jan 3, 2019 4:03:02 GMT
It's not absolute though, because Grey Wardens can enter the grounds. Stroud/Loghain/Alistair, and Ser Ruth for judgment. Maybe it's different if someone literally brought them there that wasn't an enemy? so all Cory would have had to do is trick someone into thinking he was their friend. Posess a Grey Warden after we didn't expel them from Orlais, perhaps? Or purely intent? none of those Grey Wardens intended to harm Skyhold or anyone within.
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Post by melbella on Jan 3, 2019 4:32:06 GMT
Or purely intent? none of those Grey Wardens intended to harm Skyhold or anyone within. Too bad it didn't keep the damn spies out.
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Post by phoray on Jan 3, 2019 4:33:34 GMT
Or purely intent? none of those Grey Wardens intended to harm Skyhold or anyone within. Too bad it didn't keep the damn spies out. Well, Severe Incompetence thins the protective magic like Death on the Veil.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 3, 2019 9:25:40 GMT
It's not absolute though, because Grey Wardens can enter the grounds. Stroud/Loghain/Alistair, and Ser Ruth for judgment They are not totally corrupt though, simply tainted. They are physically affected but whilst they can hear the Calling their mind is essentially "pure" as is their soul in terms of their moral outlook. That is not the same thing as a true darkspawn or Magister Sidereal. A Grey Warden shell with Corypheus inside would likely be detected. He specifically said how they allowed the darkness to permeate their being and that would encompass every aspect including their soul. Blight magic attacks the spirit and is wholly evil. The dragon would also be repelled because of its connection with Corypheus.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 3, 2019 12:57:41 GMT
Or purely intent? none of those Grey Wardens intended to harm Skyhold or anyone within. Too bad it didn't keep the damn spies out. Heh, maybe Solas told Skyhold “ignore non-Dalish, non-city elves” and forgot to exclude viddathari.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jan 3, 2019 16:25:55 GMT
This is interesting as it suggests that had Corypheus been looking for Skyhold before we occupied it, he could not have entered it even if he had found it. Darkness is now synonymous with the Blight and blighted creatures. Corypheus even says that after they discovered the darkness they let it "permeate their being". So that does suggest that people are right to say that it would have been impossible for Corypheus to attack us there because of the magical nature of the structure. It might also be why Solas guided us to it as our base of operations knowing that it would be a sanctuary from the blighted Magister.
It's not absolute though, because Grey Wardens can enter the grounds. Stroud/Loghain/Alistair, and Ser Ruth for judgment.
So did the the Avaar who was attacking the castle. ...with a goat, granted. But that kinda proves the "people with ill intent can't find it" hypothesis.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 3, 2019 16:57:34 GMT
So did the the Avaar who was attacking the castle. ...with a goat, granted. But that kinda proves the "people with ill intent can't find it" hypothesis. Not ill intent but actually seeped through with evil. The Avvar was rather cruel to the goat but in the context of the game world probably no one really cared and its use was symbolic. On the whole he doesn't seem to bear too much ill intent towards the Inquisitor. On the whole Solas doesn't judge people either, seeming to despise black and white distinctions about morality However, when it comes to the Blight he has no doubts. "The blight corrupts everything it touches. Those who believe themselves capable of using it safely are mad." That is the distinction that the castle would make; it is warded against anything associated with the Blight on a fundamental level, as opposed to the Grey Wardens who have only embraced it superficially, although that is enough to condemn them to an early grave.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 3, 2019 17:35:36 GMT
So did the the Avaar who was attacking the castle. ...with a goat, granted. But that kinda proves the "people with ill intent can't find it" hypothesis. Not ill intent but actually seeped through with evil. The Avvar was rather cruel to the goat but in the context of the game world probably no one really cared and its use was symbolic. On the whole he doesn't seem to bear too much ill intent towards the Inquisitor. Yep, he basically says his son is an idiot who had it coming, but eh, he had to do the goat thing for tradition. I suspect he just wanted an excuse to introduce himself and maybe join up. What better way to guarantee a personal audience with the Inquisitor than by smacking their hold with a goat?
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 3, 2019 23:38:06 GMT
Didn't Skyhold also let in those viddathari assassins who were after Bull? 😛
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Post by jjdxb on Jan 3, 2019 23:54:45 GMT
Didn't Skyhold also let in those viddathari assassins who were after Bull? 😛
And the Qunari spies from Trespasser
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 4, 2019 0:31:26 GMT
Didn't Skyhold also let in those viddathari assassins who were after Bull? 😛 It also let Hissrad himself in. The Qunari are probably smart enough to plant all their agents long before they’re instructed to kill. Even in a non-magic castle, that’s much less suspicious than having completely new guards sign up right after Bull goes Tal-Vashoth. Who then ask to be on a specific guard rotation right after joining.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 4, 2019 0:38:55 GMT
Didn't Skyhold also let in those viddathari assassins who were after Bull? 😛 It also let Hissrad himself in. The Qunari are probably smart enough to plant all their agents long before they’re instructed to kill. Even in a non-magic castle, that’s much less suspicious than having completely new guards sign up right after Bull goes Tal-Vashoth. Who then ask to be on a specific guard rotation right after joining. Yeah, but Bull only might have been called on to attack the Inquisitor, otherwise he was just there gathering intel and probably using dead drops Leliana didn't know about. 👀 Meanwhile the assassins were actively hostile. Tbh thinking about it too much is probably a bad idea, it's weird mystical mumbo-jumbo that's exactly as specific and powerful as it needs to be for the plot.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 4, 2019 0:53:11 GMT
It also let Hissrad himself in. The Qunari are probably smart enough to plant all their agents long before they’re instructed to kill. Even in a non-magic castle, that’s much less suspicious than having completely new guards sign up right after Bull goes Tal-Vashoth. Who then ask to be on a specific guard rotation right after joining. Yeah, but Bull only might have been called on to attack the Inquisitor, otherwise he was just there gathering intel and probably using dead drops Leliana didn't know about. 👀 That’s what I’m saying, the assassins were probably sleepers like Bull.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 4, 2019 0:56:53 GMT
Yeah, but Bull only might have been called on to attack the Inquisitor, otherwise he was just there gathering intel and probably using dead drops Leliana didn't know about. 👀 That’s what I’m saying, the assassins were probably sleepers like Bull. Ahh, I get it. I guess I figured Bull was savvy enough to recognize viddathari posing as random servants or something.
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Post by melbella on Jan 4, 2019 1:58:17 GMT
Ahh, I get it. I guess I figured Bull was savvy enough to recognize viddathari posing as random servants or something. Considering his comments at the Winter Palace, he definitely should be. That Sera, not Bull, is the one seeing the elves acting dodgey in Trespasser is annoying. That he never comments on WHY the orders are in Common instead of Qunlat is annoying. They made him stupid simply to make the Inquisition stupid for letting in spies. No way they ALL would have gone unnoticed by Bull. He was established all game long as exceptionally observant.
(I'm talking about Tal-Vashoth Bull, obviously.)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 4, 2019 2:05:49 GMT
Ahh, I get it. I guess I figured Bull was savvy enough to recognize viddathari posing as random servants or something. Considering his comments at the Winter Palace, he definitely should be. That Sera, not Bull, is the one seeing the elves acting dodgey in Trespasser is annoying. That he never comments on WHY the orders are in Common instead of Qunlat is annoying. They made him stupid simply to make the Inquisition stupid for letting in spies. No way they ALL would have gone unnoticed by Bull. He was established all game long as exceptionally observant.
(I'm talking about Tal-Vashoth Bull, obviously.)
Yeah, Trespasser just kept hitting the Inquisitor and the Inquisition with the Idiot Ball And either forced or limited options just to make others seem so smart.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 4, 2019 2:16:57 GMT
Ahh, I get it. I guess I figured Bull was savvy enough to recognize viddathari posing as random servants or something. Considering his comments at the Winter Palace, he definitely should be. That Sera, not Bull, is the one seeing the elves acting dodgey in Trespasser is annoying. That he never comments on WHY the orders are in Common instead of Qunlat is annoying. They made him stupid simply to make the Inquisition stupid for letting in spies. No way they ALL would have gone unnoticed by Bull. He was established all game long as exceptionally observant.
(I'm talking about Tal-Vashoth Bull, obviously.) If the Qunari know Tal-Vashoth!Bull is working for Inquisition, why should they send spies he'd be able to recognize? More then likely things were coordinated to minimize that. Even if we assume that he noticed some, there's no way of telling if spies he sniffed out had known anything about Dragon's Breath.
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Post by Ponendus on Jan 4, 2019 2:18:37 GMT
Wow I've been so far out of the loop for so long, what a nice suprise (albeit a month late for me). Looking forward to getting back into the excitement of the next installment in my favourite franchise.
Hopefully they have learned so many lessons from all the DA's to this point that we end up with a less experimental, and more rounded experience overall.
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Post by melbella on Jan 4, 2019 2:24:22 GMT
If the Qunari know Tal-Vashoth!Bull is working for Inquisition, why should they send spies he'd be able to recognize? I'm not talking about recognizing them by their faces, but rather by their behavior. This is something Bull is very good at. He sees details that others miss. That he saw or noticed NOTHING is ridiculous.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 4, 2019 2:33:09 GMT
If the Qunari know Tal-Vashoth!Bull is working for Inquisition, why should they send spies he'd be able to recognize? I'm not talking about recognizing them by their faces, but rather by their behavior. This is something Bull is very good at. He sees details that others miss. That he saw or noticed NOTHING is ridiculous. ...Why would I mean faces instead of behavior? I DO mean recognize them in whatever way they would be recognizable, behavior included. IMO it's ridiculous to assume that Bull, observant as he is, would be able to see through everyone or that he was even anywhere near people he could recognize. Inquisition is large and travels a lot. Things can be coordinated so spies are informed specifically to be nowhere near Bull.
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Post by melbella on Jan 4, 2019 2:57:15 GMT
it's ridiculous to assume that Bull, observant as he is, would be able to see through everyone Did I say everyone? No, I said anyone. The fact that Sera sees weirdness but Bull doesn't is the problem. He's right there in the same room as her.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 4, 2019 3:09:33 GMT
it's ridiculous to assume that Bull, observant as he is, would be able to see through everyone Did I say everyone? No, I said anyone. The fact that Sera sees weirdness but Bull doesn't is the problem. He's right there in the same room as her. My point about servants probably avoiding Bull still holds, especially that they had a way to quickly coordinate, pass messages or vanish without a trace. Also - Sera only states that servants are acting weird. Nowhere does she states that any of them are spies. That's too little info to conclude that, or even whom the spies belong to, as we know that spies in the Palace worked for more than one faction (heck, every servant in Winter Palace probably works for someone).
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 4, 2019 7:50:50 GMT
If the Qunari know Tal-Vashoth!Bull is working for Inquisition, why should they send spies he'd be able to recognize? I'm not talking about recognizing them by their faces, but rather by their behavior. This is something Bull is very good at. He sees details that others miss. That he saw or noticed NOTHING is ridiculous. Especially when he had an entire scene that has him say and show exactly that.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 4, 2019 12:49:05 GMT
I'm not talking about recognizing them by their faces, but rather by their behavior. This is something Bull is very good at. He sees details that others miss. That he saw or noticed NOTHING is ridiculous. Especially when he had an entire scene that has him say and show exactly that. IDK, I always kind of read his people-reading as maybe 20% real and 80% overconfidence. Maybe I just hang out with too many big egos in real life, but my first instinct was that he’s exaggerating. Vivienne doesn’t sit around bragging about her ability to people read, but she gets even closer to rumbling Solas than Bull does. Plus the whole “she’s a mage who’s fairly influential in the Game” thing. Bull learned to read people among literally the most straightforward culture in all of Thedas, he’s a big fish in a small pond.
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