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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 15, 2019 23:17:07 GMT
From a practical perspective, Zoe is a forge mechanic. Not sure that dictates a 'hot' costume and 'look' requirement (outside of Final Fantasy XV).
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Post by ahglock on Jan 15, 2019 23:24:02 GMT
From a practical perspective, Zoe is a forge mechanic. Not sure that dictates a 'hot' costume and 'look' requirement (outside of Final Fantasy XV). Devil advocate sort of troll. If it was a male mechanic would they make him hot? I suspect they would. I’m trying to avoid spoilers so I stopped watching the videos, so I give the 10 hour trial it’s best chance. Which one was the mechanic?left or middle I recognized the right I think as your telepath whatever they called that roll.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 15, 2019 23:29:24 GMT
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Post by theduke on Jan 15, 2019 23:50:22 GMT
While the OP is pretty blunt, it doesn't mean its not true. Seeing other games and what they can do with the character models makes me question just how good Frostbite really is.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 16, 2019 0:00:08 GMT
While the OP is pretty blunt, it doesn't mean its not true. Seeing other games and what they can do with the character models makes me question just how good Frostbite really is. Females look fine to me clearly not the ugly creatures that OP claims to be.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 16, 2019 0:16:35 GMT
While the OP is pretty blunt, it doesn't mean its not true. Seeing other games and what they can do with the character models makes me question just how good Frostbite really is. Wait... so we never saw excellent-looking character models of any gender in Frostbite? Or is beautifying women really supposed to be such test for the engine...? Like... what exactly is wrong with Tassyn? (faulty sound, watch out) Or Faye?
Seems to me that most people have issues because we never saw Zoe in full cinematic - just a casual conversation that ain't really a cinematic, in non-cinematic lighting conditions.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 16, 2019 0:26:33 GMT
While the OP is pretty blunt, it doesn't mean its not true. Seeing other games and what they can do with the character models makes me question just how good Frostbite really is. Wait... so we never saw excellent-looking character models of any gender in Frostbite? Or is beautifying women really supposed to be such test for the engine...? Seriously? Yeah it is a test for the engine. Not the most important one, but good looking character models is a test for a engine. As much as I’ve argued against it, apparently to a large swath of the gaming populace graphics matter. And the only frostbite games I’m aware that I’ve played are BioWare games. So personally I’m not sure it’s frostbite or them. How do the models look in other frostbite games?
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 16, 2019 0:39:24 GMT
How do the models look in other frostbite games? Battlefield: Soldier with a crew cut A, Soldier with a crew cut B, Soldier with a crew cut C. Battlefront: Mostly helmeted, a bit uncanny valley if not, mostly when replicating a real actor.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 16, 2019 0:39:52 GMT
Wait... so we never saw excellent-looking character models of any gender in Frostbite? Or is beautifying women really supposed to be such test for the engine...? Seriously? Yeah it is a test for the engine. Not the most important one, but good looking character models is a test for a engine. As much as I’ve argued against it, apparently to a large swath of the gaming populace graphics matter. And the only frostbite games I’m aware that I’ve played are BioWare games. So personally I’m not sure it’s frostbite or them. How do the models look in other frostbite games? No, it is not. It's not serious to suggest that creating a sexy female character is a test whether can create good character models, as if a subjectively attractive model is somehow either a pinnacle or achievement for the engine... or something that really that many people care about. It's just a few vocal trolls who come here to bait people. Just look at how many people make jokes on the thread here, or count the number of threads about other characters that aren't young females being ugly... only there really aren't any. It's not really a big issue. Also - virtually all AAA games from EA have been on Frostbite for years now, including Battlefield V that got people so incensed because there were... playable female characters there. Battleground II main character from SP campaign is also a female chara. You can google those.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 16, 2019 1:16:54 GMT
No, ppl were upset about Battlefield 5 because it showcased, incorrectly, the role women played in the conflict. It commited historical revisionism because they couldn't be bothered to do actual research to accurately depict real scenarios where women contributed to the war effort.
This was done after a marketing campaign that promised real, untold WW2 stories, and also laughing and shitting on anyone who dared to question the implimentation and their CFO telling everyone to not buy it if they don't like. Surprise, they didn't buy it.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 16, 2019 1:19:05 GMT
What, so is the question now one of graphical fidelity or is it "SJW's ruined my babe animations"?
I mean, I'd obviously have to say Frostbite can handle character faces and animations. We've seen it in other EA titles and even in MEA (post patch).
I guess the question is what's the ratio of classically uniformly seen as sexy people to not in real life? Think ScarJo or Ryan Reynolds. Might not be your cup of tea, but for many many others is assuredly their cup of tea.
So then how many of the NPC's should be eye-candy? ALL OF THEM?! I dunno. At any rate, I don't think there's a problem with any NPC shown. Are there any Miranda's we've seen? Not yet. But then again, no romances and all.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 16, 2019 1:36:13 GMT
No, ppl were upset about Battlefield 5 because it showcased, incorrectly, the role women played in the conflict. It commited historical revisionism because they couldn't be bothered to do actual research to accurately depict real scenarios where women contributed to the war effort. This was done after a marketing campaign that promised real, untold WW2 stories, and also laughing and shitting on anyone who dared to question the implimentation and their CFO telling everyone to not buy it if they don't like. Surprise, they didn't buy it. SOME people had issues with that. Most were just a variation of 'AAARgh - WOMZ ON BATTLEFIELD, REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!"
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 16, 2019 1:51:29 GMT
No, ppl were upset about Battlefield 5 because it showcased, incorrectly, the role women played in the conflict. It commited historical revisionism because they couldn't be bothered to do actual research to accurately depict real scenarios where women contributed to the war effort. This was done after a marketing campaign that promised real, untold WW2 stories, and also laughing and shitting on anyone who dared to question the implimentation and their CFO telling everyone to not buy it if they don't like. Surprise, they didn't buy it. SOME people had issues with that. Most were just a variation of 'AAARgh - WOMZ ON BATTLEFIELD, REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!" Which was never really a response to females in games, at all. Until companies started taking a very high horse "stand up and cheer this or sexist" attitude about how they implament these things.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 16, 2019 1:52:37 GMT
Seriously? Yeah it is a test for the engine. Not the most important one, but good looking character models is a test for a engine. As much as I’ve argued against it, apparently to a large swath of the gaming populace graphics matter. And the only frostbite games I’m aware that I’ve played are BioWare games. So personally I’m not sure it’s frostbite or them. How do the models look in other frostbite games? No, it is not. It's not serious to suggest that creating a sexy female character is a test whether can create good character models, as if a subjectively attractive model is somehow either a pinnacle or achievement for the engine... or something that really that many people care about. It's just a few vocal trolls who come here to bait people. Just look at how many people make jokes on the thread here, or count the number of threads about other characters that aren't young females being ugly... only there really aren't any. It's not really a big issue. Also - virtually all AAA games from EA have been on Frostbite for years now, including Battlefield V that got people so incensed because there were... playable female characters there. Battleground II main character from SP campaign is also a female chara. You can google those. I think the test should be whether they look believably human and realistic, not necessarily attractive. If they are getting uncanny valley looks or look like they are made of playdoh, then someone messed up.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 16, 2019 2:10:47 GMT
SOME people had issues with that. Most were just a variation of 'AAARgh - WOMZ ON BATTLEFIELD, REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!" Which was never really a response to females in games, at all. Until companies started taking a very high horse "stand up and cheer this or sexist" attitude about how they implament these things. Ouch... bringing 'how things were before' is not a winning strategy, given that we know how things were before in gaming.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 16, 2019 2:53:41 GMT
No, it is not. It's not serious to suggest that creating a sexy female character is a test whether can create good character models, as if a subjectively attractive model is somehow either a pinnacle or achievement for the engine... or something that really that many people care about. It's just a few vocal trolls who come here to bait people. Just look at how many people make jokes on the thread here, or count the number of threads about other characters that aren't young females being ugly... only there really aren't any. It's not really a big issue. Also - virtually all AAA games from EA have been on Frostbite for years now, including Battlefield V that got people so incensed because there were... playable female characters there. Battleground II main character from SP campaign is also a female chara. You can google those. I think the test should be whether they look believably human and realistic, not necessarily attractive. If they are getting uncanny valley looks or look like they are made of playdoh, then someone messed up.
For this game I’d agree. Most BioWare games include romance and attractiveness matters for that. Look at the romance threads in the da4 section. It’s like 10 times more active than any other posts. It’s not the only thing or even the most important thing but it’s important for the romances and depending on how much you value those in the games will effect how important this is overall.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 16, 2019 3:12:09 GMT
I think the test should be whether they look believably human and realistic, not necessarily attractive. If they are getting uncanny valley looks or look like they are made of playdoh, then someone messed up. For this game I’d agree. Most BioWare games include romance and attractiveness matters for that. Look at the romance threads in the da4 section. It’s like 10 times more active than any other posts. It’s not the only thing or even the most important thing but it’s important for the romances and depending on how much you value those in the games will effect how important this is overall. While looks matter to a degree I'm fairly sure that what draws people to Bioware characters and romances are predominantly... well... attractive characters of these characters. After all, how big of a fanbase does Garrus have? Iron Bull? Solas? These are not your conventionally attractive options and they still bring people to talk about them due to the content of their head, rather than symmetry of their face. It's the same with more conventionally attractive romance options.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 16, 2019 3:17:52 GMT
Aloy's face was masculinized. Eyes and lips were made smaller, thicker eyebrows, and less rounded jaw. Imo few people/characters can pull off a mullet and Aloy unfortunately wasn't one of them. The Nora and denizens of the 31st Century would seem to disagree with that assessment.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 16, 2019 3:21:40 GMT
For this game I’d agree. Most BioWare games include romance and attractiveness matters for that. Look at the romance threads in the da4 section. It’s like 10 times more active than any other posts. It’s not the only thing or even the most important thing but it’s important for the romances and depending on how much you value those in the games will effect how important this is overall. While looks matter to a degree I'm fairly sure that what draws people to Bioware characters and romances are predominantly... well... attractive characters of these characters. After all, how big of a fanbase does Garrus have? Iron Bull? Solas? These are not your conventionally attractive options and they still bring people to talk about them due to the content of their head, rather than symmetry of their face. It's the same with more conventionally attractive romance options. And yet there is usually a conventionally attractive option for most gender/orientations. So wanting one for yours doesn't seem to be that big of an ask.
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Post by river82 on Jan 16, 2019 4:46:06 GMT
For this game I’d agree. Most BioWare games include romance and attractiveness matters for that. Look at the romance threads in the da4 section. It’s like 10 times more active than any other posts. It’s not the only thing or even the most important thing but it’s important for the romances and depending on how much you value those in the games will effect how important this is overall. While looks matter to a degree I'm fairly sure that what draws people to Bioware characters and romances are predominantly... well... attractive characters of these characters. After all, how big of a fanbase does Garrus have? Iron Bull? Solas? These are not your conventionally attractive options and they still bring people to talk about them due to the content of their head, rather than symmetry of their face. It's the same with more conventionally attractive romance options. That's not correct, although you could apply that theory to Dragon Age. You don't really play Mass Effect so you wouldn't know, but Liara is the most popular character to romance and she has one of the most boring personalities around. This survey, for example, has Liara, Miranda, Tali, and Ashley as the top 4 ME romances www.pcgamer.com/ranking-the-best-and-worst-of-the-mass-effect-games/Garrus has a very loud fanbase, but how big a fanbase can he have when the vast majority of players (up to 80%) play male Shepard (which is a shame because female Shepard had a much better voice actor)?
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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 16, 2019 4:46:22 GMT
Me personally Sara looked too goofy at times. Aloy's face was masculinized. Eyes and lips were made smaller, thicker eyebrows, and less rounded jaw. Imo few people/characters can pull off a mullet and Aloy unfortunately wasn't one of them. After looking at the vast majority of character creation threads and vids across the net i think it's a subconscious thing. You'll see more idealized CC faces like Chris Hemsworth's, Brad Pitt's and John Cena's than John C Reilly's, Danny Trejo or Gary Busy. Modded TES character show offs usually looks like a fantasy Victoria's Secret catalogue too. The amusing thing to me (someone who actually works with faces a lot) is that the game character's jaw is actually sliiiightly rounder... But that's not really the issue here - the issue is that the photo on the left is clearly from photoshoot session. She has subtle, but still present make up. Nevermind the lighting, which is of such paramount importance it's basically a multi-million industry on its own (also - lenses and lens filters). All of this is specifically designed to make the face look as attractive as possible. At this point, we've made it into a science - long before Photoshop, which the photo itself has also been through. You think that doesn't affect which faces we "subconsciously" pick when we've been fed idealized images since we were kids? Gee, and then people get shocked when they see that actors and models captured on the street aren't really much like their movie or photoshoot selves... I also have to chuckle at 'subconscious thing' when what we're presented for the sake of comparison is a lighter, crisper photo and a darker screenshot with muddier lighting from the game. Textbook confirmation bias. (also - thicc, natural brows are still the latest rage dude, know yo fashion!) I'm sorry Tea, the makeup still doesn't explain the discrepancies i noted earlier especially when you compare Aloy's and Hannah's facial features. A few mistakes and missed details i picked on from my initial observation is that Aloy's mouth wasn't smaller it was slightly widened, her nose was widened and appears larger, and she has fatter cheeks than Hannah who has a softer jawline but smaller cheeks when compared to Aloy. Hannah has bushy brows, but hers aren't as thick or angular like Aloy's brows, look at the bridge. Plus those above eyebrows irk me, Jennifer Connelly's are better groomed and sexier. Hannah Hoekstra still >>> Aloy too.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 16, 2019 4:52:28 GMT
I'm really sorry that I even posted in this thread. At this point it is just kind of horrible.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 16, 2019 4:55:55 GMT
Aloy's face was masculinized. Eyes and lips were made smaller, thicker eyebrows, and less rounded jaw. Imo few people/characters can pull off a mullet and Aloy unfortunately wasn't one of them. The Nora and denizens of the 31st Century would seem to disagree with that assessment.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 16, 2019 6:08:50 GMT
As the OP would appear to have done a 'drop and run' on this thread, I'm doing a little 'wind speed test' on this discussion. EDIT: Please hit the thread poll to share your sentiment. OPTION AThis is an important discussion we're having here which should absolutely be allowed to continue with prominence. OPTION BBy all means, let the discussion continue, but disable the 'thread bump' (anchor the thread) so that it will gently drift off the board home page.
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Post by river82 on Jan 16, 2019 6:31:12 GMT
Stop farming likes, Sofa
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