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Post by Innocent Bystander on Jan 17, 2019 13:24:43 GMT
... Angelina Jolie ... Gal Gadot ... And herein the problem lies. For you, those two are examples of the pinnacle of attractiveness, for me they’re meh at best. My examples (that I’m willing to share), Jaime Murray and Dichen Lachman are one of the hottest women alive for me, most likely not for you. And we’re not the only people that will be playing Anthem, so whose hot girls should BioWare put in there? Yours, mine or somebody else’s with completely different taste?
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Post by ahglock on Jan 17, 2019 18:18:56 GMT
... Angelina Jolie ... Gal Gadot ... And herein the problem lies. For you, those two are examples of the pinnacle of attractiveness, for me they’re meh at best. My examples (that I’m willing to share), Jaime Murray and Dichen Lachman are one of the hottest women alive for me, most likely not for you. And we’re not the only people that will be playing Anthem, so whose hot girls should BioWare put in there? Yours, mine or somebody else’s with completely different taste? Yeah personal preferences are a thing but the gal gadot style is liked by a ridiculously large majority. My preferences aren’t the gal gadot type though she is clearly beautiful by any objective standard. If they catered to my tastes they’d also add in some diversity. As the options for heterosexual males has been ethnically narrow. Aliens sure but non white women romantic interests have been sparse.
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Post by taarsidathanhalsaam on Jan 17, 2019 19:03:04 GMT
And herein the problem lies. For you, those two are examples of the pinnacle of attractiveness, for me they’re meh at best. My examples (that I’m willing to share), Jaime Murray and Dichen Lachman are one of the hottest women alive for me, most likely not for you. And we’re not the only people that will be playing Anthem, so whose hot girls should BioWare put in there? Yours, mine or somebody else’s with completely different taste? Yeah personal preferences are a thing but the gal gadot style is liked by a ridiculously large majority. My preferences aren’t the gal gadot type though she is clearly beautiful by any objective standard. If they catered to my tastes they’d also add in some diversity. As the options for heterosexual males has been ethnically narrow. Aliens sure but non white women romantic interests have been sparse. Not being able to romance Vivienne was a huge wasted opportuninty! Heck, if they wanted to rsetrict her romance to human players (since the human nonmage character has connections to nobility) then that would have fit her story and I’d have been ok with it! It’d be just like how only couslands can marry Alistair!
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Post by ahglock on Jan 17, 2019 19:15:05 GMT
Yeah personal preferences are a thing but the gal gadot style is liked by a ridiculously large majority. My preferences aren’t the gal gadot type though she is clearly beautiful by any objective standard. If they catered to my tastes they’d also add in some diversity. As the options for heterosexual males has been ethnically narrow. Aliens sure but non white women romantic interests have been sparse. Not being able to romance Vivienne was a huge wasted opportuninty! Heck, if they wanted to rsetrict her romance to human players (since the human nonmage character has connections to nobility) then that would have fit her story and I’d have been ok with it! It’d be just like how only couslands can marry Alistair! While I’d of preferred her with long hair she is exactly who I was thinking of. She was attractive, has a good personality, was strong and we got nothing. I mean in ME just add more options in that direction entirely. DA you are limited to what is available in the setting. one benefit of DA though is they probably won’t lean into stereotypes as much.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 18, 2019 0:14:31 GMT
I'm having a hard time determining if people are being serious about this or not. Plus I'd love to be a fly on the wall of the complainers to see what they're scoring in real life. Let's just say I'm skeptical... I for one refuse to be serious in a thread like this.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 18, 2019 0:17:03 GMT
While the OP is pretty blunt, it doesn't mean its not true. Seeing other games and what they can do with the character models makes me question just how good Frostbite really is. DAI has community mods that add long hair and sexiness. It’s not the engine.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 18, 2019 0:20:52 GMT
This was done after a marketing campaign that promised real, untold WW2 stories Setting aside the ridiculous notion that the main selling point of any Battlefield game is historical accuracy, I can’t believe you fell for EA Marketing! How gullible can you be?
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Post by smilesja on Jan 18, 2019 0:59:08 GMT
I was just responding to people. The most important issue is that it's okay for games to have normal, plain, average or ugly looking women. It makes it more believable and immersive. Witcher 3 had the same. There were tons of just plain & normal looking women in Witcher 3, but they didn't neglect the sexy & attractive women either. I'm hoping Bioware can adopt this balanced view instead of just no longer adding sexy women to their games. Luzarius, two out of three of the characters in your profile picture with the checkmarks on them (implying you approve of how hot/sexy they are) are from Dragon age Inquisition: the latest game from Bioware’s main studio. (Andromeda was made by their amateur team that has since been fired.) There is no reason to believe that Bioware has adopted a view of “no longer adding sexy women to their games”. It really is pressing that many people miss the point of the sorceresses in the Witcher series. Under the beauty lies bitter, ugly women who were despised by society.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 18, 2019 1:18:18 GMT
And guys too, Dorian and Cullen were the last good ones. Don't forget about the dudes!
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Post by luzarius on Jan 18, 2019 5:58:11 GMT
... Angelina Jolie ... Gal Gadot ... And herein the problem lies. For you, those two are examples of the pinnacle of attractiveness, for me they’re meh at best. My examples (that I’m willing to share), Jaime Murray and Dichen Lachman are one of the hottest women alive for me, most likely not for you. And we’re not the only people that will be playing Anthem, so whose hot girls should BioWare put in there? Yours, mine or somebody else’s with completely different taste? Dichen Lachman & Jaime Murray are also very beautiful, sexy & attractive. Go ahead and add them to the game! I know a beautiful face when i see one and you picked two great choices.
It sucks we couldn't romance Vivienne, but I didn't like the fact she was bald, that was a dumb decision. Bioware won't even let us take companions into the character customization screen to make them look how we want. That would solve ALL problems. Imagine if Bioware let us customize companion faces, that would be PERFECT.
I'm a strong advocate of sexualing men for girl gamers & gay gamers, but the SJW's HATE sexualization, instead SJW's want all sexual content to be restricted to porn websites only.
SJW: "Does that character have a sexy face? Sorry, she's only allowed to be in porn." SJW: "Oh oh, the NPC is showing breast cleavage, sorry that's only allowed on porn sites." Religious Fundamelist: "We need to abolish porn all together."
As you can see, we have anti-sex elements on both the left & right wing. One side wants to abolish sexy, the other wants to segregate sexy.
The more I study SJW's the more I realize that they're VERY segregational. They basically don't want any sexiness in games, movies, shows & comics and want to restrict it to porn websites only. Don't believe me? Pretend to be an anti-SJW then go and speak with SJW's. They will always make arguments that naturally lead to segregation.
If third wave feminists had their way, you'd never see a beautiful, sexy women again in media. They would be restricted to porn sites.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 18, 2019 6:40:55 GMT
Luzarius, two out of three of the characters in your profile picture with the checkmarks on them (implying you approve of how hot/sexy they are) are from Dragon age Inquisition: the latest game from Bioware’s main studio. (Andromeda was made by their amateur team that has since been fired.) There is no reason to believe that Bioware has adopted a view of “no longer adding sexy women to their games”. It really is pressing that many people miss the point of the sorceresses in the Witcher series. Under the beauty lies a bitter, ugly women who were despised by society. You forgot ancient. Ancient crones. Except for Triss, but then they give her hell for being the youngest.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 18, 2019 12:29:49 GMT
SJW: "Does that character have a sexy face? Sorry, she's only allowed to be in porn." SJW: "Oh oh, the NPC is showing breast cleavage, sorry that's only allowed on porn sites." Religious Fundamelist: "We need to abolish porn all together."
As you can see, we have anti-sex elements on both the left & right wing. One side wants to abolish sexy, the other wants to segregate sexy.
The more I study SJW's the more I realize that they're VERY segregational. They basically don't want any sexiness in games, movies, shows & comics and want to restrict it to porn websites only. Don't believe me? Pretend to be an anti-SJW then go and speak with SJW's. They will always make arguments that naturally lead to segregation.
If third wave feminists had their way, you'd never see a beautiful, sexy women again in media. They would be restricted to porn sites.
And here I thought we were having a moment.
What are you talking about? I'm an SJW but I like attractive people in games. Why wouldn't I?
You know, you and I probably have common ground somewhere, but if you keep making sweeping statements that are sensationalistic and divisive we are never going to find it. Your choice is to continue as you have been doing, which by your own admission has gotten you ridiculed and banned all over the internet, or you can state your positions in a more moderate way as you did in the post I quoted. The latter is going to get you a lot more support.
You like Yennefer, I like Yennefer. You want diverse people in games, I want diverse people in games. So far so good. But, if you accuse nameless, faceless others (EA, Bioweare, SJWs, feminists) of ruining your game because of some secret agenda I'm going to stop listening to you. Why? Because you are no longer stating your opinion about specific features of games and instead are making it about "sides." If you make all of us pick sides we are not going to be able to have a sensible discussion.
Dude, I'm an SJW and a feminist and I am trying to hear you without judging. I can understand where you are coming from and I have some sympathy for your POV. Are we going to continue having a moment, or are we going to pick sides?
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Post by Bann Duncan on Jan 18, 2019 16:06:27 GMT
I think the characters are looking mighty fine, though it's early days in terms of character reveal. Comedy thread, I know, but #1 looks like an Oblivion Bosmer and #2 looks like a Skyrim child. #3 does look like a real, adult human being though. Are these images from Anthem? (While "sexiness" is a silly criteria as Space Cowboy points out, concerns about the character looking fake and/or like a child are reasonable, as Ryder has taught us. But then again, Ryder was going to a galaxy of people who look like testicles, so I guess it didn't matter.) First, let me point out OP's avatar. It's not what you think. He's just indicating which of those characters are cold-blooded murderers or selfish schemers, and the one that is not. Ahem, as a fan of Sapkowski books, who came to the games later, I must stand up for Yen against accusations of selfishness! She's a heroic and devoted mother who saves the world and her daughter. And to be perfectly frank, if people are getting brainwashed so that fake gets them hot more than real does, it might explain all the hot heads on gaming forums. So much this. Ironically, the pin-up girl for all the gamer hot talk, Yennefer, isn't even real in the game's own source lore. She uses magic to look that good. She's fake twice over! This is not true, as someone who's extremely familiar with the source material. She's not casting an illusion. She was, however, a disabled peasant in childhood, who was healed with the magical equivalent of surgery. But yes, very few sorceresses were born healthy/beautiful. Exceptions include elves and a certain daughter of Cintra. (I realize that it's been 20 years now since the last book in the saga came out, but even though I don't want to spoil things in case anyone is inspired to read the books, which are wonderful.) Triss, on the other hand, canonically does not wear low cut dresses because of the trauma of having been wounded heavily in her upper body during a battle, to the point that people thought she was dead.
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Post by taarsidathanhalsaam on Jan 18, 2019 16:53:53 GMT
SJW: "Does that character have a sexy face? Sorry, she's only allowed to be in porn." SJW: "Oh oh, the NPC is showing breast cleavage, sorry that's only allowed on porn sites." Religious Fundamelist: "We need to abolish porn all together."
As you can see, we have anti-sex elements on both the left & right wing. One side wants to abolish sexy, the other wants to segregate sexy.
The more I study SJW's the more I realize that they're VERY segregational. They basically don't want any sexiness in games, movies, shows & comics and want to restrict it to porn websites only. Don't believe me? Pretend to be an anti-SJW then go and speak with SJW's. They will always make arguments that naturally lead to segregation.
If third wave feminists had their way, you'd never see a beautiful, sexy women again in media. They would be restricted to porn sites.
The problem with this is that the SJWs don’t have any central organization or set of beliefs that they all agree on. So its hard to make any generalizations about what they want or believe. They’re just a ragtag group of complainers on the internet. In fact, alongside the anti-sexiness SJWs I’m pretty sure there are also plenty of SJWs that love sexy, beautiful women in all sorts of media. They’d probably call themselves “sex-positive feminists”. Whereas with the right wing folks, well... there’s tons of moral watchdog organizations and powerful religious groups, pundits, and personalities. Never forget that Fox News were the guys who claimed Mass Effect was some depraved sex-simulation game and made tons of false accusations on the air about video games. Never forget who has been claiming violent video games to cause real-life gun-related violence in the modern day (hint: its the current republican president.) We all know what the right wing extremists think about our games. Also... does anyone else here remember Jack Thompson?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 19, 2019 0:08:53 GMT
I think the characters are looking mighty fine, though it's early days in terms of character reveal. Comedy thread, I know, but #1 looks like an Oblivion Bosmer and #2 looks like a Skyrim child. #3 does look like a real, adult human being though. Are these images from Anthem? (While "sexiness" is a silly criteria as Space Cowboy points out, concerns about the character looking fake and/or like a child are reasonable, as Ryder has taught us. But then again, Ryder was going to a galaxy of people who look like testicles, so I guess it didn't matter.) First, let me point out OP's avatar. It's not what you think. He's just indicating which of those characters are cold-blooded murderers or selfish schemers, and the one that is not. Ahem, as a fan of Sapkowski books, who came to the games later, I must stand up for Yen against accusations of selfishness! She's a heroic and devoted mother who saves the world and her daughter. So much this. Ironically, the pin-up girl for all the gamer hot talk, Yennefer, isn't even real in the game's own source lore. She uses magic to look that good. She's fake twice over! This is not true, as someone who's extremely familiar with the source material. She's not casting an illusion. She was, however, a disabled peasant in childhood, who was healed with the magical equivalent of surgery. But yes, very few sorceresses were born healthy/beautiful. Exceptions include elves and a certain daughter of Cintra. (I realize that it's been 20 years now since the last book in the saga came out, but even though I don't want to spoil things in case anyone is inspired to read the books, which are wonderful.) Since you said 20 years, did you read the books in the original Polish? I wonder if there was a translation artifact. It’s been years since I read the The Last Wish (in English) so I could easily have muddled things in my memory, but I thought Yennefer had an active glamour going for her beauty, as well as the surgery for her hunchback.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 19, 2019 2:07:23 GMT
The problem with this is that the SJWs don’t have any central organization or set of beliefs that they all agree on. So its hard to make any generalizations about what they want or believe. Maybe we should just treat each other as individuals and not as representatives of some opposing faction?
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jan 19, 2019 9:07:11 GMT
SJW: "Does that character have a sexy face? Sorry, she's only allowed to be in porn." SJW: "Oh oh, the NPC is showing breast cleavage, sorry that's only allowed on porn sites." Religious Fundamelist: "We need to abolish porn all together."
As you can see, we have anti-sex elements on both the left & right wing. One side wants to abolish sexy, the other wants to segregate sexy.
The more I study SJW's the more I realize that they're VERY segregational. They basically don't want any sexiness in games, movies, shows & comics and want to restrict it to porn websites only. Don't believe me? Pretend to be an anti-SJW then go and speak with SJW's. They will always make arguments that naturally lead to segregation.
If third wave feminists had their way, you'd never see a beautiful, sexy women again in media. They would be restricted to porn sites.
What are you talking about? I'm an SJW but I like attractive people in games. Why wouldn't I?
Dude, I'm an SJW and a feminist and I am trying to hear you without judging. I can understand where you are coming from and I have some sympathy for your POV. Are we going to continue having a moment, or are we going to pick sides? You are not a true SJW. Dude, are you stuck in 2012? Can't you see fascism is taking over all countries? Patriarchy is going stronger than ever. Heteronormative white colonialism is everywhere oppressing sexual minorities. You like "attractive" women?... are you (may our PC comrades forgive us) fatphobic? Did you just assume their gender? Indeed transphobic too. Plus stop your mansplaining, sexism and misogyny... ladies and ma'ams don't need your toxic masculinity. Bro, you must be reeducated. There is no other solution to your bigotry.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 19, 2019 9:44:36 GMT
Let's not turn this thread (any more) into a gender-political rant, please. Or I'll 'modsplain' it to a lock, thanks.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 19, 2019 15:29:30 GMT
What are you talking about? I'm an SJW but I like attractive people in games. Why wouldn't I?
Dude, I'm an SJW and a feminist and I am trying to hear you without judging. I can understand where you are coming from and I have some sympathy for your POV. Are we going to continue having a moment, or are we going to pick sides? You are not a true SJW. Dude, are you stuck in 2012? Can't you see fascism is taking over all countries? Patriarchy is going stronger than ever. Heteronormative white colonialism is everywhere oppressing sexual minorities. You like "attractive" women?... are you (may our PC comrades forgive us) fatphobic? Did you just assume their gender? Indeed transphobic too. Plus stop your mansplaining, sexism and misogyny... ladies and ma'ams don't need your toxic masculinity. Bro, you must be reeducated. There is no other solution to your bigotry. I'm reading your post as tongue-in-cheek, but nope, I'm an SJW. While there are SJW's who favor some of the positions you listed, I'd say that the number that agree with ALL of the things you said is super low. If you incorrectly assume all SJWs are that extreme it will cause you to behave defensively/antagonistically towards us when in fact that is unnecessary and counterproductive. It's unfair to judge all members of a group based on the attitudes/actions of the most extreme members.
What I'm getting at is that we can all get along and have a good discussion about games without jumping to conclusions about each others' beliefs and behaving antagonistically because of it. I would suggest that respectful debate on individual opinions is better for everyone than making divisive statements about large groups of people (whether companies, political affiliations or religious groups). One of my best gaming buddies is a Tea Party supporter. We don't talk politics most of the time and I know I can count on him to cover me in a firefight, which is really all I care about when we're trying enjoy a game together.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 19, 2019 15:37:50 GMT
Let's not turn this thread (any more) into a gender-political rant, please. Or I'll 'modsplain' it to a lock, thanks. I don't see anyone ranting. I think so far this thread is as respectful as can be expected for this topic.
If you want it back on topic, I'd say that the people of Anthem we've seen so far appear to be normal looking rather than supermodel-like. I haven't seen any classically beautiful men yet, either.
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Post by taarsidathanhalsaam on Jan 19, 2019 15:52:46 GMT
The problem with this is that the SJWs don’t have any central organization or set of beliefs that they all agree on. So its hard to make any generalizations about what they want or believe. Maybe we should just treat each other as individuals and not as representatives of some opposing faction? That is partially what I'm saying: there's very little I can assume about you simply because you say you're an SJW, because theres so many different types and beliefs among the SJWs. Now, if you had told me you were a Republican lawmaker or conservative pundit I CAN assume quite a few things, because they have routinely been anti-gaming in their rhetoric. Progressives can sometimes be annoying, but I remember who the real people trying to take away our violent, sexy games are, and it isn't some vaguely defined group of internet complainers. No offense. But yeah I guess getting back on topic, uh... the only Bioware game I can think of that had a noticeable lack of sexy women is Andromeda, and like I said earlier it was made by the amateur B-team of bioware who were mostly fired afterwards. Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. Bioware isn't maliciously plotting to take away sexy women, they just had incompetent devs who did a bad job on that game's characters, imo.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 19, 2019 18:31:44 GMT
Personally, I think the NPC female characters in ANTHEM are attractive even from the early builds/Dev Streams, vids we've seen so far, and I'm sure that with the polished finished product they will look even better. And of course as with every Bioware game that has amazing characters across the whole spectrum, I am sure that there will be characters I really like, characters I loathe and characters I am indifferent about. For example, the one character in all of ME (ME 1 to Andromeda) that I despise with utter disdain is Jacob Taylor. One, I think he is a boring character to interact with regardless of PC gender. Two, as a FemShep, no matter what I did I could not initiate his romance. He never wanted anything to do with me. Three, while I don't mind his Loyalty Mission, I find him as useless squad mate. He is just one (and only) character in all of Mass Effect that I just do not like. On the other hand, I love everything about Jack. In my opinion, Jack is the best written, most compelling, interesting character in the entirety of Mass Effect. She was funny, sexy, crass, bad-ass, hard-ass, tough-nut-to-crack...But once you 'got through to her' she opened up to Shepard in a most compelling, emotionally touching way that I thought really gave her character depth and brought her development full-circle, especially when ME 3 is taken into account. My only dripe was that she didn't have more content, especially for those who chose her as a romance. Cassandra from DA II to Inqusition was the same. Her romance in DAI is my favourite, even over Isebela in II, especially considering where you started with Cassandra in II and into the early stages of DA:I. To see her personality change and her heart soften....."Varric, you're lying snake!" (harsh words from a harsh lady) to "Romance is not only for dithering ladies in frilly dresses...." "I want the ideal. I want the flowers and poetry" makes her a great, lovable character.
And I think that characters in ANTHEM will very well carry on and live up to that same potential.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 19, 2019 18:49:54 GMT
Failing to romance Jacob in ME2 is the video game skillcheck equivalent of Dean Takahashi playing that Cuphead tutorial.
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So far 2024 is the same as the previous three years...
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 19, 2019 22:27:07 GMT
Lenny, I'm sensing that you mean to be insulting with your comment, and unjustly so, because what have I ever done or said to you on this Forum to warrant such a thing?...(You) implying I have a lack of skill in playing ME2 was uncalled for. But frankly I do not care what you think of me or my 'skill level' as a gamer. I was merely making a point about characters that I like and dislike, and how I am sure that Bioware has continued to write great characters who makes us feel so strongly one way or another.
I do wish you well though and I have no hard feelings towards you.
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