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Post by samhain444 on Feb 15, 2019 16:14:35 GMT
Someone at the event they were showing this broke their NDA to leak it but, sure... I wasn't aware of that, but the point remains that people seem more willing to accept a steep price after being shown an egregious price. No, I get that...same reason $19.99 looks better than $20.00 to some people. In this case, though, one of the invites to the event they were showing this leaked the shot...this was after they were told this is a placeholder and the economy hadn't been decided yet. YouTubers like SkillUp got a hold of it and ran with it as an example of the game's economy thus getting those sweet subs and clicks
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 15, 2019 16:22:29 GMT
Sure sure, I'm mostly talking about the same time period that Apex has been "killing it". 25 million players in one week for Apex. In the first week of Anthem, pretty sure it will be pretty much full-price for everyone. So for Anthem in the first week, maybe 3 million purchases? Based on their 5-6 million by the end of March, I think that's reasonable. That's $180 million off the bat. Apex Legends would need each of 25 million players to spend $7.2 to make up that amount. Doable? Totally. Some will spend a lot, many will spend nothing. Then we'll see how much Anthem makes on MTX's on top of initial earnings. So maybe fairly even initially for earnings, thus longevity and player interaction is key. Apex isnt a competitor to Anthem remember? Why the worry about who does better in MTXs? Shockingly, you missed the point of my post. (That's sarcasm. I'm not actually shocked.) My original post was addressing someone saying Anthem should have gone Free-to-Play. My response was that being able to charge $60+ at launch put them in a position similar to if every single person playing Apex paid over $7 in MTX. Then in top of that Anthem has their own MTX, but it's always interesting to see spending differences between F2P vs Paid games. So at the end of the first few weeks or month revenue for Apex and Anthem might be fairly equal, therefore keeping players engaged and spending in the long-run would be important for both games, and it wouldn't be until after a year or so had passed until we saw a clear "winner".
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 15, 2019 16:26:20 GMT
I wasn't aware of that, but the point remains that people seem more willing to accept a steep price after being shown an egregious price. No, I get that...same reason $19.99 looks better than $20.00 to some people. In this case, though, one of the invites to the event they were showing this leaked the shot...this was after they were told this is a placeholder and the economy hadn't been decided yet. YouTubers like SkillUp got a hold of it and ran with it as an example of the game's economy thus getting those sweet subs and clicks Or Bioware decided to let EA know that 20USD was a bit too much? The best way to leak the image is to have someone 'break' their NDA while doing it. It doesn't really matter why or how the image got out ... we know now that: 1. 100 Shards = 1USD (Packs currently have a 10% discount price on them) 2. You have to buy packs that often leave you with extra shards left over to entice you to maybe buy something else later.
3. Epic armor sets are currently 850 Shards. 4. We don't know how much a legendary armor set will cost.
Overall, prices are lower than the initial screenshot suggested. Cool.
However everyone saying that the early estimates were incorrect have a little crow to eat as well. 100 shards = 1USD. That initial leaked screenshot DID show epic skins being sold for 20USD. The price changed prior to release for reasons we can all fight about now.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 15, 2019 16:36:00 GMT
No, I get that...same reason $19.99 looks better than $20.00 to some people. In this case, though, one of the invites to the event they were showing this leaked the shot...this was after they were told this is a placeholder and the economy hadn't been decided yet. YouTubers like SkillUp got a hold of it and ran with it as an example of the game's economy thus getting those sweet subs and clicks Or Bioware decided to let EA know that 20USD was a bit too much? The best way to leak the image is to have someone 'break' their NDA while doing it. It doesn't really matter why or how the image got out ... we know now that: 1. 100 Shards = 1USD (Packs currently have a 10% discount price on them) 2. You have to buy packs that often leave you with extra shards left over to entice you to maybe buy something else later.
3. Epic armor sets are currently 850 Shards. 4. We don't know how much a legendary armor set will cost.
Overall, prices are lower than the initial screenshot suggested. Cool.
However everyone saying that the early estimates were incorrect have a little crow to eat as well. 100 shards = 1USD. That initial leaked screenshot DID show epic skins being sold for 20USD. The price changed prior to release for reasons we can all fight about now.
So people can go about this multiple ways: 1) EA or Bioware leaked this to gauge the response. Since the response was negative, they lowered the prices 2) EA or Bioware did NOT leak this. It was a broken NDA. However, the prices were where EA wanted to go and since the responses were negative, they lowered the prices. 3) EA or Bioware did NOT leak this. It was a broken NDA. The prices in the leak were not final and was never going to be final....just generic placeholders. So they didn't "lower" prices in the final game. The prices in the final game is what they wanted in the first place regardless of the leak feedback.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 15, 2019 16:36:42 GMT
The price changed prior to release for reasons we can all fight about now.
Do we HAVE to??
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 15, 2019 16:39:01 GMT
However everyone saying that the early estimates were incorrect have a little crow to eat as well. 100 shards = 1USD. That initial leaked screenshot DID show epic skins being sold for 20USD. The price changed prior to release for reasons we can all fight about now. The problem people had with the early estimates wasn’t that they were incorrect, it’s that they were entirely speculative being treated as ironclad, and the fact that some of the guesses were on the mark for the final release (though the exchange rate itself hasn’t necessarily remained constant, that’s another assumption) doesn’t make them any less guesses.
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 15, 2019 16:40:26 GMT
No, I get that...same reason $19.99 looks better than $20.00 to some people. In this case, though, one of the invites to the event they were showing this leaked the shot...this was after they were told this is a placeholder and the economy hadn't been decided yet. YouTubers like SkillUp got a hold of it and ran with it as an example of the game's economy thus getting those sweet subs and clicks Or Bioware decided to let EA know that 20USD was a bit too much? The best way to leak the image is to have someone 'break' their NDA while doing it. It doesn't really matter why or how the image got out ... we know now that: 1. 100 Shards = 1USD (Packs currently have a 10% discount price on them) 2. You have to buy packs that often leave you with extra shards left over to entice you to maybe buy something else later.
3. Epic armor sets are currently 850 Shards. 4. We don't know how much a legendary armor set will cost.
Overall, prices are lower than the initial screenshot suggested. Cool.
However everyone saying that the early estimates were incorrect have a little crow to eat as well. 100 shards = 1USD. That initial leaked screenshot DID show epic skins being sold for 20USD. The price changed prior to release for reasons we can all fight about now.
Hey, not fighting because I'm not inclined to put much faith in click-bait driven conspiracy theories. Anyone can believe what they allow themselves to believe. In terms of MTXs, personally, I've never outright purchased skins or loot boxes and the closest I've come is the boxes that came with "Mass Effect Andromeda's" digital Super Deluxe Edition so, overall, this is a bit of a non-issue for me.
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 15, 2019 16:43:29 GMT
The price changed prior to release for reasons we can all fight about now.
Do we HAVE to?? Of course not. I've gotten so pessimistic I just kind of thought it was inevitable though ...
For me these prices seem much better than 20USD for the epic skins. And they still get around a fiver when they do a 50% sale. I think they will sell more of these at this price than the leaked screenshot.
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Post by hawkspian on Feb 15, 2019 16:43:39 GMT
So anyone in the early access, how much is shit?
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 15, 2019 16:44:29 GMT
However everyone saying that the early estimates were incorrect have a little crow to eat as well. 100 shards = 1USD. That initial leaked screenshot DID show epic skins being sold for 20USD. The price changed prior to release for reasons we can all fight about now. The problem people had with the early estimates wasn’t that they were incorrect, it’s that they were entirely speculative being treated as ironclad, and the fact that some of the guesses were on the mark for the final release (though the exchange rate itself hasn’t necessarily remained constant, that’s another assumption) doesn’t make them any less guesses. See, here we go.
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 15, 2019 16:45:07 GMT
Or Bioware decided to let EA know that 20USD was a bit too much? The best way to leak the image is to have someone 'break' their NDA while doing it. It doesn't really matter why or how the image got out ... we know now that: 1. 100 Shards = 1USD (Packs currently have a 10% discount price on them) 2. You have to buy packs that often leave you with extra shards left over to entice you to maybe buy something else later.
3. Epic armor sets are currently 850 Shards. 4. We don't know how much a legendary armor set will cost.
Overall, prices are lower than the initial screenshot suggested. Cool.
However everyone saying that the early estimates were incorrect have a little crow to eat as well. 100 shards = 1USD. That initial leaked screenshot DID show epic skins being sold for 20USD. The price changed prior to release for reasons we can all fight about now.
So people can go about this multiple ways: 1) EA or Bioware leaked this to gauge the response. Since the response was negative, they lowered the prices 2) EA or Bioware did NOT leak this. It was a broken NDA. However, the prices were where EA wanted to go and since the responses were negative, they lowered the prices. 3) EA or Bioware did NOT leak this. It was a broken NDA. The prices in the leak were not final and was never going to be final....just generic placeholders. So they didn't "lower" prices in the final game. The prices in the final game is what they wanted in the first place regardless of the leak feedback. or 4) EA or Bioware did NOT leak this. It was a broken NDA. The prices in the leak were not final and was never going to be final....just generic placeholders. So they continued to tinker with the pricing until they decided on a final economy
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 15, 2019 16:47:20 GMT
So anyone in the early access, how much is shit? Less than the leaked screenshot.
100 shards = 1USD
Don't know the UK rates.
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 15, 2019 16:48:47 GMT
Whether or not that leaked screenshot was intentional it sure as hell was a useful tool in gauging the public reaction to the in game store.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 15, 2019 16:56:34 GMT
Either way, circa $8 is unlikely to cause riots even if it doesn't generate enthusiasm. Probably an ok place for BioWare to pitch it. Next question is the coin grind rate which we have another thread working on.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 15, 2019 16:59:58 GMT
majesticjazz, thanks for breaking down the logical possibilities. Those are the possibilities; we can only determine what is most consistent. Not sure why anyone should be fighting with each other in this thread... Unless some whale walks in and says "GOML plebs poor gamers are what is ruining the industry" I can't get too excited about any of this. We are talking about money I will never spend on a game I will probably never buy. Some of you are in the same boat. Get mad in a thread where there is something on the line that is important to you, or a dev goes full derp and needs correction, or where someone calls you a scruffy looking nerfherder (while really you're just a scoundrel). I will always be mystified by people who spent money on special fashion t-shirts in the PlayStation Home "game". The idea that I need to look cool in a walking simulator is too foreign for me. I just don't get it, and it's the same here. That said, go nuts richboy. Your fancy t-shirt won't matter when I destroy your score, but at least you look cool losing.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 15, 2019 17:01:17 GMT
SofaJockey, maybe this poll thread need not be pinned any longer? Now that we have actual facts.
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 15, 2019 17:02:50 GMT
Whether or not that leaked screenshot was intentional it sure as hell was a useful tool in gauging the public reaction to the in game store. Well, now...the truth is out there...
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 15, 2019 17:14:51 GMT
So people can go about this multiple ways: 1) EA or Bioware leaked this to gauge the response. Since the response was negative, they lowered the prices 2) EA or Bioware did NOT leak this. It was a broken NDA. However, the prices were where EA wanted to go and since the responses were negative, they lowered the prices. 3) EA or Bioware did NOT leak this. It was a broken NDA. The prices in the leak were not final and was never going to be final....just generic placeholders. So they didn't "lower" prices in the final game. The prices in the final game is what they wanted in the first place regardless of the leak feedback. or 4) EA or Bioware did NOT leak this. It was a broken NDA. The prices in the leak were not final and was never going to be final....just generic placeholders. So they continued to tinker with the pricing until they decided on a final economy Which more or less goes along with #3 but yeah.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 15, 2019 17:16:35 GMT
I think another question to bring up which we will NEVER know the answer to is this:
What if the response to the leak was not negative and in someways, slightly positive. Would the prices have ended up lower?
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Post by Shinobu on Feb 15, 2019 17:20:40 GMT
I don't really care how they arrived at the lower price, just that it's lower. Not that I currently expect to buy anything. I made it through ME3MP with a maxed manifest without spending on lootboxes. I'm just happy there's less for the people who have an axe to grind to get upset about.
If the prices in the image are current, 1 shard = 0.86 cents (not counting the current 10% discount) so the armor pack is about $7.30 normally, not $8.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 15, 2019 17:30:34 GMT
I think another question to bring up which we will NEVER know the answer to is this: What if the response to the leak was not negative and in someways, slightly positive. Would the prices have ended up lower? It doesn't matter. These are just starting prices. The store and economy will change. Some things will go up, some things will go done. Some rates will go up, some will go down. The only thing that is certain is that they will optimize the hell out of the store to extract as much profit as possible. That doesn't necessarily mean gouging, since that is counterproductive. But if they can charge $0.05 more for something without losing volume, they will do so, guaranteed.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 15, 2019 17:43:08 GMT
I don't really care how they arrived at the lower price, just that it's lower. Not that I currently expect to buy anything. I made it through ME3MP with a maxed manifest without spending on lootboxes. I'm just happy there's less for the people who have an axe to grind to get upset about. If the prices in the image are current, 1 shard = 0.86 cents (not counting the current 10% discount) so the armor pack is about $7.30 normally, not $8. You have to qualify that calculation. That exchange rate is for the largest shown package, $39.99/4600, which is discounted for volume. We have to agree on what point in the $/shard sliding scale we are going to use as the "normal" exchange rate. I think 100 Shards = $1 USD is fine for that purpose, then apply discounts as needed. So the "normal" prices for an 850 skin is $8.50. Now that said, if you are implying that, money being no object, you should always buy the most discounted package to get the best exchange rate, I won't argue with that.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 15, 2019 17:45:31 GMT
Someone on reddit said they opened a world chest and got 2000 coin. Dont know more than that (like the difficulty or under what circumstances it showed up)
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 15, 2019 17:48:37 GMT
So it costs less than the leak to buy with real money but more with in game currency?
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