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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 15, 2019 17:52:02 GMT
So it costs less than the leak to buy with real money but more with in game currency? Welp, that's an interesting bit if correct.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 15, 2019 17:54:23 GMT
So it costs less than the leak to buy with real money but more with in game currency? Welp, that's an interesting bit if correct. I’m pretty sure the leaked image was 40k coin and it’s now 60k. For a skin
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 15, 2019 17:54:49 GMT
The problem people had with the early estimates wasn’t that they were incorrect, it’s that they were entirely speculative being treated as ironclad, and the fact that some of the guesses were on the mark for the final release (though the exchange rate itself hasn’t necessarily remained constant, that’s another assumption) doesn’t make them any less guesses. See, here we go. I just don’t want people to take this as a victory for unfounded alarmism
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Post by Shinobu on Feb 15, 2019 17:58:43 GMT
Yeah, I just chose one. Ok, to get really granular:
500 shards for $4.99 1 cent per shard, 850 shard Armor = $8.50 1050 shards for $9.99 0.95 cent/shard Armor = $8.09 2200 shards for $19.99 0.91 cent/shard Armor = $7.72 4600 shards for $39.99 0.87 cent/shard Armor = $7.39
This is not taking into account the current 10% sale or whatever taxes and fees may be added on in the store.
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Post by Shinobu on Feb 15, 2019 18:38:47 GMT
Welp, that's an interesting bit if correct. I’m pretty sure the leaked image was 40k coin and it’s now 60k. For a skin Seems so. Maybe that is their balancing act. If armor costs less money ($8.50 instead of $20), it becomes harder to get for free (61k vs 40k), so more incentive to pay the $8.50.
It's still an improvement as it's less than half the cash but only ~53% more coin, not double.
As I said in the MTX thread, I am disappointed that shards come in stupid amounts that don't easily divide. It's blatantly trying to encourage people to buy more to "use up" the extra shards. I am having bad Bioware points flashbacks.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 15, 2019 18:51:06 GMT
I’m pretty sure the leaked image was 40k coin and it’s now 60k. For a skin Snip
As I said in the MTX thread, I am disappointed that shards come in stupid amounts that don't easily divide. It's blatantly trying to encourage people to buy more to "use up" the extra shards. I am having bad Biowa
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Pricing mechanics as mentioned are to be expected and even anticipated.
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Post by hawkspian on Feb 15, 2019 19:59:20 GMT
Ok so I'm still not home. How much is an $8 skin in in-game coins? And how many coins are people earning from missions?
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 15, 2019 20:05:48 GMT
I just don’t want people to take this as a victory for unfounded alarmism Lol Too bad that is out of your control.
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 15, 2019 20:34:12 GMT
I just don’t want people to take this as a victory for unfounded alarmism Doesn't feel unfounded.
When people said .. "100 shards = 1USD so that Epic skin is going to be 20USD", other people retorted "don't know the price of shards bros! shut up!".
Turns out, did know price of shards!
Whether that leak was intentional or not it was an invaluable piece of operational intelligence providing a very clear metric on public perception of the 20USD price point.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 15, 2019 20:39:21 GMT
I just don’t want people to take this as a victory for unfounded alarmism Doesn't feel unfounded.
When people said .. "100 shards = 1USD so that Epic skin is going to be 20USD", other people retorted "don't know the price of shards bros! shut up!".
Turns out, did know price of shards!
Whether that leak was intentional or not it was an invaluable piece of operational intelligence providing a very clear metric on public perception of the 20USD price point.
Except they didn’t know the price of shards. 100 Shards = 1USD was a guess. That it happened to be right doesn’t mean it wasn’t a guess at the time.
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Post by river82 on Feb 15, 2019 20:59:39 GMT
Doesn't feel unfounded.
When people said .. "100 shards = 1USD so that Epic skin is going to be 20USD", other people retorted "don't know the price of shards bros! shut up!".
Turns out, did know price of shards!
Whether that leak was intentional or not it was an invaluable piece of operational intelligence providing a very clear metric on public perception of the 20USD price point.
Except they didn’t know the price of shards. 100 Shards = 1USD was a guess. That it happened to be right doesn’t mean it wasn’t a guess at the time. It was an educated guess because all EA games have the same pricing model. People who were saying "it was a guess" "speculation" "we don't know" were just running interference for Bioware
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 15, 2019 21:16:44 GMT
Ok so I'm still not home. How much is an $8 skin in in-game coins? And how many coins are people earning from missions? Look in the other thread.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 15, 2019 21:20:51 GMT
Except they didn’t know the price of shards. 100 Shards = 1USD was a guess. That it happened to be right doesn’t mean it wasn’t a guess at the time. It was an educated guess because all EA games have the same pricing model. People who were saying "it was a guess" "speculation" "we don't know" were just running interference for Bioware I wasn’t and I objected. Because people were taking that educated but unconfirmed guess and treating it as finalized pricing, which it was not. Speculate if you must, just don’t pretend it wasn’t speculation.
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Post by river82 on Feb 15, 2019 21:24:43 GMT
It was an educated guess because all EA games have the same pricing model. People who were saying "it was a guess" "speculation" "we don't know" were just running interference for Bioware I wasn’t and I objected. Because people were taking that educated but unconfirmed guess and treating it as finalized pricing, which it was not. Speculate if you must, just don’t pretend it wasn’t speculation. I dealt with this at the time - it's not speculation when we have facts in front of us, and we had enough facts (the screenshot which was confirmed leak, EA's usual pricing model, and basic calculations) to take a good stab at the pricing at the time. And it was correct because the analysis was based on actual facts. Now some people may have treated it as final pricing but look hard enough and you can find some people that do anything. At the time the pricing of an armor set was $20. Hooray our analysis was correct, so moving on ...
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 15, 2019 21:35:09 GMT
I wasn’t and I objected. Because people were taking that educated but unconfirmed guess and treating it as finalized pricing, which it was not. Speculate if you must, just don’t pretend it wasn’t speculation. I dealt with this at the time - it's not speculation when we have facts in front of us, and we had enough facts (the screenshot which was confirmed leak, EA's usual pricing model, and basic calculations) to take a good stab at the pricing at the time. And it was correct because the analysis was based on actual facts. Now some people may have treated it as final pricing but look hard enough and you can find some people that do anything. At the time the pricing of an armor set was $20. Hooray our analysis was correct, so moving on ... I won’t retread this then. You guessed that EA would use the same pricing model they have previously used and you were right about what it ended up being though we have no way of know that was what they were using at the time or whether the currency pricing in that image was ever more than a placeholder, congratulations. Unfortunately the outrage circuit did take it as final pricing and scoffed when developers told them pricing wasn’t nailed down yet. They just seized on the opportunity to declare how evil EA is and now those people will congratulate themselves and their outrage clickbait for lowering EA’s prices while brewing conspiracy theories about the image itself being a plant to gauge reaction. Heaven forbid developers actually come to their own non-evil decisions about pricing independent of gamer outrage forcing their hand. I guess that’s the thing that’s annoying me now, ultimately.
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Post by river82 on Feb 15, 2019 22:03:50 GMT
I dealt with this at the time - it's not speculation when we have facts in front of us, and we had enough facts (the screenshot which was confirmed leak, EA's usual pricing model, and basic calculations) to take a good stab at the pricing at the time. And it was correct because the analysis was based on actual facts. Now some people may have treated it as final pricing but look hard enough and you can find some people that do anything. At the time the pricing of an armor set was $20. Hooray our analysis was correct, so moving on ... I won’t retread this then. You guessed that EA would use the same pricing model they have previously used and you were right about what it ended up being though we have no way of know that was what they were using at the time or whether the currency pricing in that image was ever more than a placeholder, congratulations.
Unfortunately the outrage circuit did take it as final pricing and scoffed when developers told them pricing wasn’t nailed down yet. They just seized on the opportunity to declare how evil EA is and now those people will congratulate themselves and their outrage clickbait for lowering EA’s prices while brewing conspiracy theories about the image itself being a plant to gauge reaction. Heaven forbid developers actually come to their own non-evil decisions about pricing independent of gamer outrage forcing their hand. I guess that’s the thing that’s annoying me now, ultimately. This is incorrect. Bioware responded on Reddit that the pricing in the chart was old. So it wasn't a placeholder. Once again this is the users running interference for Bioware.
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Post by river82 on Feb 15, 2019 22:14:02 GMT
Hey there! One thing to keep in mind is these don't represent final, stamped for all of eternity pricing. We are iterating on our economy design and balance almost daily, so you're seeing a snapshot of one iteration. This is why we tend to not discuss things like pricing, because it's one of those iterative things that's sure to change frequently right up until the day you play the game.Chris Schmidt, Bioware. www.reddit.com/r/AnthemTheGame/comments/ajg581/comment/eeveueh/?st=JRGHQY9P&sh=2347e33bSo like I said, an "old iteration", not a "placeholder".
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 15, 2019 22:15:50 GMT
I won’t retread this then. You guessed that EA would use the same pricing model they have previously used and you were right about what it ended up being though we have no way of know that was what they were using at the time or whether the currency pricing in that image was ever more than a placeholder, congratulations.
Unfortunately the outrage circuit did take it as final pricing and scoffed when developers told them pricing wasn’t nailed down yet. They just seized on the opportunity to declare how evil EA is and now those people will congratulate themselves and their outrage clickbait for lowering EA’s prices while brewing conspiracy theories about the image itself being a plant to gauge reaction. Heaven forbid developers actually come to their own non-evil decisions about pricing independent of gamer outrage forcing their hand. I guess that’s the thing that’s annoying me now, ultimately. This is incorrect. Bioware responded on Reddit that the pricing in the chart was old. So it wasn't a placeholder. Once again this is the users running interference for Bioware. It being old just means it wasn’t in the current build, not that it was ever anywhere close to being in the final build. Why is it so important for you to put down people unwilling to leap to the worst possible scenario as “running interference” for BioWare?
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Post by river82 on Feb 15, 2019 22:19:34 GMT
This is incorrect. Bioware responded on Reddit that the pricing in the chart was old. So it wasn't a placeholder. Once again this is the users running interference for Bioware. It being old just means it wasn’t in the current build, not that it was ever anywhere close to being in the final build. Why is it so important for you to put down people unwilling to leap to the worst possible scenario as “running interference” for BioWare? We know it wasn't the current build, we also knew it was one of the options on the table for the final build. I'm not putting down people unwilling to leap to the worst possible scenario, I'm correcting people putting out FALSEHOODS in order to paint those sceptical in the worst light. People did not take a placeholder image and run with it, people weren't deep in speculation city and building each other up to a fever pitch. We were talking about a confirmed, older iteration which we could take an educated guess on the price, and the super hyped up price pissed people off.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 15, 2019 22:34:14 GMT
I'm correcting people putting out FALSEHOODS in order to paint those sceptical in the worst light. People did not take a placeholder image and run with it, people weren't deep in speculation city and building each other up to a fever pitch. We were talking about a confirmed, older iteration which we could take an educated guess on the price, and the super hyped up price pissed people off.You can say that again. That $20 price, based on an educated guess/speculation, was intentionally hyped to stir up outrage and generate clicks and views. Let’s not forget that ugly part of the whole thing. Btw, that educated guess still isn’t right. It’s actually pretty hard to pay $1 for 100 shards, given all the discounting and packaging going on. Average will be below that rate a smidge.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 15, 2019 22:34:29 GMT
It being old just means it wasn’t in the current build, not that it was ever anywhere close to being in the final build. Why is it so important for you to put down people unwilling to leap to the worst possible scenario as “running interference” for BioWare? We know it wasn't the current build, we also knew it was one of the options on the table for the final build. I'm not putting down people unwilling to leap to the worst possible scenario, I'm correcting people putting out FALSEHOODS in order to paint those sceptical in the worst light. People did not take a placeholder image and run with it, people weren't deep in speculation city and building each other up to a fever pitch. We were talking about a confirmed, older iteration which we could take an educated guess on the price, and the super hyped up price pissed people off. I said I wouldn’t revisit the issue of whether people were speculating, so I won’t but I remain in disagreement with you. Regardless of how rational you felt it was, assuming the dollar to shard conversion was still an unconfirmed guess and reminding people who treated it as an absolute certainly to drumbup the clickbait circus that this was the case is not a falsehood. Maybe you were level headed enough to treat this as an iteration BioWare played with at some point rather than a glimpse at the final product, if so I have no issue with you, but many were not.
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 15, 2019 23:37:41 GMT
I'm correcting people putting out FALSEHOODS in order to paint those sceptical in the worst light. People did not take a placeholder image and run with it, people weren't deep in speculation city and building each other up to a fever pitch. We were talking about a confirmed, older iteration which we could take an educated guess on the price, and the super hyped up price pissed people off.You can say that again. That $20 price, based on an educated guess/speculation, was intentionally hyped to stir up outrage and generate clicks and views. Let’s not forget that ugly part of the whole thing. Btw, that educated guess still isn’t right. It’s actually pretty hard to pay $1 for 100 shards, given all the discounting and packaging going on. Average will be below that rate a smidge. 1USD = 100 Shards.
Then they can be discounted.
It still IS right.
Are you guys out of your minds?
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Post by OdanUrr on Feb 15, 2019 23:42:03 GMT
Btw, that educated guess still isn’t right. It’s actually pretty hard to pay $1 for 100 shards, given all the discounting and packaging going on. Average will be below that rate a smidge. At the end of the day, given you can't pay the exact amount for what you want, you end up paying more, probably with not enough shards left over to buy anything worth a damn. I don't particularly mind right now 'cause the skins are crap and, anyway, the trial has yet to convince me this game's worth a purchase.*shrugs*
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 16, 2019 0:24:05 GMT
You can say that again. That $20 price, based on an educated guess/speculation, was intentionally hyped to stir up outrage and generate clicks and views. Let’s not forget that ugly part of the whole thing. Btw, that educated guess still isn’t right. It’s actually pretty hard to pay $1 for 100 shards, given all the discounting and packaging going on. Average will be below that rate a smidge. 1USD = 100 Shards.
Then they can be discounted.
It still IS right.
Are you guys out of your minds?
No need to be uncivil. If literally no one pays $1 for 100 shards, I think it’s reasonable to say it isn’t 100% right. I’d settle for 98% right. How is that crazy? I mean, the standard in this discussion is FALSEHOODS, all caps, so I’m doing my part for truth and accuracy.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 16, 2019 0:32:23 GMT
Btw, that educated guess still isn’t right. It’s actually pretty hard to pay $1 for 100 shards, given all the discounting and packaging going on. Average will be below that rate a smidge. At the end of the day, given you can't pay the exact amount for what you want, you end up paying more, probably with not enough shards left over to buy anything worth a damn. Thats a fair point. The deviation from the nominal 100 shards per $1 can vary in either direction, depending on how efficient/patient people are at spending. It’s not clear to me whether that helps or hurts BW. They already collected the money and the cost of making the product is already accounted for, so unspent shards aren’t like a liability they’d have to carry, in the same way frequent flyer miles are. Arguably unspent shards make people unhappy, feel like they were cheated, so too much of that will have a net negative impact.
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