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Post by gangrelbeckett on Feb 20, 2019 17:03:47 GMT
As for the political concerns... IMO, Krem felt really bland beyond being trans. It made me feel like he was there just so the game can have a trans character, without even trying to add more to his character. Maybe but after DA 2 Serendipity Krem was an improvement.
I agree that Krem felt bland but his role wasn´t that big. I believe they get Maevaris right. Especially after Hainly Abrams where even former Bioware boss Aaryn Flynn had apologized for her.
It would also be no shock for me if Patrick Weekes will write her. Mae has already a good foundation. Her DA 4 writer should expand on that. It would also help if Mae has a more bigger role than Krem who was more a trans sidekick. So yeah she really should be a DA 4 companion.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 20, 2019 17:16:58 GMT
As for the political concerns... IMO, Krem felt really bland beyond being trans. It made me feel like he was there just so the game can have a trans character, without even trying to add more to his character. Maybe but after DA 2 Serendipity Krem was an improvement.
I agree that Krem felt bland but his role wasn´t that big. I believe they get Maevaris right. Especially after Hainly Abrams where even former Bioware boss Aaryn Flynn had apologized for her.
It would also be no shock for me if Patrick Weekes will write her. Mae has already a good foundation. Her DA 4 writer should expand on that. It would also help if Mae has a more bigger role than Krem who was more a trans sidekick. So yeah she really should be a DA 4 companion.
Maevaris is guaranteed to have an important role due to being part of the Lucerni.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Feb 20, 2019 17:27:19 GMT
Maevaris is guaranteed to have an important role due to being part of the Lucerni. "Guaranteed?" Well that reminds me of something. Everyone expected Bodahn and Sandal for DAI but they didn´t show up. It would possible that Mae isn´t in DA 4 but to be honest this is very unlikely.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 20, 2019 17:33:09 GMT
Maevaris is guaranteed to have an important role due to being part of the Lucerni. "Guaranteed?" Well that reminds me of something. Everyone expected Bodahn and Sandal for DAI but they didn´t show up. It would possible that Mae isn´t in DA 4 but to be honest this is very unlikely.
That's different. There was no reason for Bodahn to show up.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Feb 20, 2019 17:41:28 GMT
That's different. There was no reason for Bodahn to show up. It wasn´t. DA 2 hinted that we seen them both in Orlais or even at the imperial court.
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Post by Ajna on Feb 20, 2019 18:00:24 GMT
Solas became my favourite character of the DA franchise, I wouldn't want anyone else calling the shots where he's concerned. I have his Rogues of the Republic trilogy too and I loved them. He's been responsible for writing every character and story arc that I've loved in both DA and ME. I have absolute faith in him at this point...I mean, one word, Trespasser.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 20, 2019 18:44:02 GMT
My overall impression of his work so far is very positive, so I'm not worried about how he'll treat Dragon Age. Politics shmolitics. I just want (need?) a fun DA game to consume my life for a while.
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 20, 2019 18:56:03 GMT
I've read some of his books, and the man knows his storytelling, so there's no question about his competence. I have concerns about his storytelling preferences, some of which appear to go into another direction than mine. On the other hand, he wrote Solas, one of my favorite DA characters even now.
So...I'm looking forward to what DA4 will bring. I'm not jubilant about Weekes having taken over, but also not up in arms about it. He definitely has the ability to create a memorable DA4 which could become my favorite DA game. Whether he wants to create such a game...no idea. Whether the secret masters at EA will let him...also no idea.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 20, 2019 19:09:40 GMT
I think that Patrick Weekes would make a fine job on DA 4. Maybe even better than David Gaider if he had stayed as Lead Writer. Patrick Weekes wrote Rannoch and Tuchanka story arcs of Mass Effect 3. This alone is more than enough evidence that he is the best man for the job. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Patrick_WeekesAlso he wrote Mordin and Tali. Last but not least Tali was almost not included in Mass Effect 3 as a full squadmate. Patrick Weekes convinced the team otherwise. So yeah i trust him. The ME Citadel and DA Trespasser DLCs were also his babies IIRC. Confidence diminishing.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 20, 2019 19:41:18 GMT
I've read some of his books, and the man knows his storytelling, so there's no question about his competence. I have concerns about his storytelling preferences, some of which appear to go into another direction than mine. On the other hand, he wrote Solas, one of my favorite DA characters even now. So...I'm looking forward to what DA4 will bring. I'm not jubilant about Weekes having taken over, but also not up in arms about it. He definitely has the ability to create a memorable DA4 which could become my favorite DA game. Whether he wants to create such a game...no idea. Whether the secret masters at EA will let him...also no idea. I like solas, I liked his me2 mordin. I didn’t like the complete character 180 in me3.
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Post by Little Bengel on Feb 20, 2019 19:53:08 GMT
Solas became my favourite character of the DA franchise, I wouldn't want anyone else calling the shots where he's concerned. I have his Rogues of the Republic trilogy too and I loved them. He's been responsible for writing every character and story arc that I've loved in both DA and ME. I have absolute faith in him at this point...I mean, one word, Trespasser. His talent at writing characters is certainly nearly beyond doubt (emphasis on nearly, wright1978 already said why), although I'll wait until the game's out to judge the story arcs myself. However, as long as he brings back the darker atmosphere from DAO and 2, I doubt I'll have much of a reason to complain. I'm a simple man like that.
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 20, 2019 19:57:53 GMT
However, as long as he brings back the darker atmosphere from DAO and 2, I doubt I'll have much of a reason to complain. I'm a simple man like that. Same here. However, it is my impression that his preference does not go into that direction, that's why I voiced my concern. I can't look into his mind, though, so I might be mistaken.
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Post by river82 on Feb 20, 2019 20:15:19 GMT
However, as long as he brings back the darker atmosphere from DAO and 2, I doubt I'll have much of a reason to complain. I'm a simple man like that. This
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Post by biggydx on Feb 20, 2019 20:53:57 GMT
However, as long as he brings back the darker atmosphere from DAO and 2, I doubt I'll have much of a reason to complain. I'm a simple man like that. Same here. However, it is my impression that his preference does not go into that direction, that's why I voiced my concern. I can't look into his mind, though, so I might be mistaken.
I would think we with the amount of potential conflicts and likely setting of DA4, a darker tone is outright warranted. A brewing battle between Tevinter/Qunari, signs of a new blight and the Grey Wardens without leadership, Solas wanting to remake the world to his liking. On top of that, the likelihood of slavery and blood magic become more prevalent; assuming we're in Tevinter. Not saying it'll be a given, and I do think it would likely be a disservice if it was darker (not asking for edgy though).
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Post by colfoley on Feb 20, 2019 21:28:54 GMT
Same here. However, it is my impression that his preference does not go into that direction, that's why I voiced my concern. I can't look into his mind, though, so I might be mistaken.
I would think we the amount of potential conflicts and likely setting of DA4, a darker tone is outright warranted. A brewing battle between Tevinter/Qunari, signs of a new blight and the Grey Wardens without leadership, Solas wanting to remake the world to his liking. On top of that, the likelihood of slavery and blood magic become more prevalent; assuming we're in Tevinter. Not saying it'll be a given, and I do think it would likely be a disservice if it was darker (not asking for edgy though). also the 'shit show of Seheron' is ripe for conflict lifted right out of todays headlines. If we go there.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 20, 2019 21:42:56 GMT
I would think we the amount of potential conflicts and likely setting of DA4, a darker tone is outright warranted. A brewing battle between Tevinter/Qunari, signs of a new blight and the Grey Wardens without leadership, Solas wanting to remake the world to his liking. On top of that, the likelihood of slavery and blood magic become more prevalent; assuming we're in Tevinter. Not saying it'll be a given, and I do think it would likely be a disservice if it was darker (not asking for edgy though). also the 'shit show of Seheron' is ripe for conflict lifted right out of todays headlines. If we go there. "Elves will not replace ox"?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 20, 2019 21:58:39 GMT
Oh my god you guys, I just woke up from a nightmare where I was playing Dragon Age 4, and every character was just Patrick Weekes, saying over and over again that racism is bad.
And THEN, when I came online to make a post about how racism is good, actually, and every game should have it, Weekes broke into my apartment and beat the shit out of me while Manveer Heir held his mug under my face to collect my tears!
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Post by copper on Feb 20, 2019 22:15:13 GMT
I have mixed feelings about Weekes' past work. While I'd agree that Tuchanka and Rannoch were the best arcs of Mass Effect 3, there was some clear favoritism in both of them for which choice Shepard should make. I also thought Mordin lost a lot of his nuance from the previous game. Tali's cool though. Citadel dlc was fun.
In DAI Weekes was apparently proud of writing the Hawke/warden choice, something I thought was contrived. But from what I've seen on YouTube Iron Bull, Cole, and Solas all seem like well developed characters, even if I only personally like one of them. Other than that I'm not sure which parts of DAI he's responsible for.
All in all, I don't think the overall quality of the games will diminish. If anything we'll be stuck with Solas longer than I'd care for.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 20, 2019 22:19:10 GMT
Also he wrote Mordin and Tali. This is all I need to know. Safe hands.
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Post by Little Bengel on Feb 20, 2019 22:28:02 GMT
I have mixed feelings about Weekes' past work. While I'd agree that Tuchanka and Rannoch were the best arcs of Mass Effect 3, there was some clear favoritism in both of them for which choice Shepard should make. I also thought Mordin lost a lot of his nuance from the previous game. Tali's cool though. Citadel dlc was fun. True, this is the little snag that stops me from having 100% trust in Weekes. That said, it's still in the low 90s.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Feb 20, 2019 22:34:58 GMT
I also thought Mordin lost a lot of his nuance from the previous game. Maybe the reason was that Mordin had a different voice actor?
It think he is basically the same character.
What i really loved about the Tuchanka and Rannoch arcs are replacement characters. Wreav and Geth VI are fine replacements but Padok Wiks was awesome.
I really wished that Stroud had get this love.
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Post by copper on Feb 20, 2019 22:59:32 GMT
I also thought Mordin lost a lot of his nuance from the previous game. Maybe the reason was that Mordin had a different voice actor?
It think he is basically the same character.
What i really loved about the Tuchanka and Rannoch arcs are replacement characters. Wreav and Geth VI are fine replacements but Padok Wiks was awesome.
I really wished that Stroud had get this love.
I never noticed the different voice actor. For me it's his shift in attitude about the genophage. In ME2 he's very logical about the science behind the genophage and why it's necessary with Krogan birth rates, though a Paragon Shepard can make him feel bad about it despite its necessity. In ME3 it's apparently okay to cure the genophage because he likes Wrex and Eve as leaders. He never addresses how Wrex and Eve will prevent a population explosion, or what will happen when they eventually die. I'm not against convincing Mordin to help cure the genophage, but I think it should have required some serious logical debate.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Feb 20, 2019 23:05:51 GMT
I never noticed the different voice actor. For me it's his shift in attitude about the genophage. In ME2 he's very logical about the science behind the genophage and why it's necessary with Krogan birth rates, though a Paragon Shepard can make him feel bad about it despite its necessity. In ME3 it's apparently okay to cure the genophage because he likes Wrex and Eve as leaders. He never addresses how Wrex and Eve will prevent a population explosion, or what will happen when they eventually die. I'm not against convincing Mordin to help cure the genophage, but I think it should have required some serious logical debate. Mordin addressed this in one of his dialogue. The Reaper war changed this previous view (Mass Effect 2) on the genophage.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 20, 2019 23:12:59 GMT
I personally think that he is going to quite well in the role. If anything from his previous works shows that the series is in pretty good hands. I've really liked pretty much everything he has written from a story perspective. Citadel was amazing, Tresspasser was beyond amazing, Ranoch and Tuchanka were the best parts of ME 3.... perhaps Here Lies the Abyss was his weakest work but even then it was still overall quite enjoyable.
His character stuff tends to be more all over the place for me. He's done characters I love and he's done characters that I haven't cared for over much. But I do think a 'lead writer' is probably more concerned with general plot direction and arcs more then nitty gritty character stuff and even the character he is likely to have responsibility for in DA 4 (Solas) I quite enjoyed so not so worried about that.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 20, 2019 23:14:26 GMT
I never noticed the different voice actor. For me it's his shift in attitude about the genophage. In ME2 he's very logical about the science behind the genophage and why it's necessary with Krogan birth rates, though a Paragon Shepard can make him feel bad about it despite its necessity. In ME3 it's apparently okay to cure the genophage because he likes Wrex and Eve as leaders. He never addresses how Wrex and Eve will prevent a population explosion, or what will happen when they eventually die. I'm not against convincing Mordin to help cure the genophage, but I think it should have required some serious logical debate. Mordin addressed this in one of his dialogue. The Reaper war changed this previous view (Mass Effect 2) on the genophage. not to mention I always got the feeling from his dialogue in 2 that he was almost talking himself into supporting the genophage in the first place. He sounded pretty uncomfortable.
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