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Post by officerdonnz on Feb 23, 2019 2:56:31 GMT
Well, the basic gameplay strikes me as OK. It's the looter shooter upgrade loops which don't seem to work well. It's not too shocking, really; Bio often serves up combat which is fun but breaks down at high levels, and Bio's loot progression has been questionable for years. I agree. The older I get the less tolerant I am of the 'loot grind'. As long as I get my monies wroth out the game I'm happy and don't give a monkey's brass balls about having the best high level gear.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Feb 23, 2019 5:49:26 GMT
Well, the basic gameplay strikes me as OK. It's the looter shooter upgrade loops which don't seem to work well. It's not too shocking, really; Bio often serves up combat which is fun but breaks down at high levels, and Bio's loot progression has been questionable for years. I agree. The older I get the less tolerant I am of the 'loot grind'. As long as I get my monies wroth out the game I'm happy and don't give a monkey's brass balls about having the best high level gear. Seriously. I loved ME3 multiplayer because there really wasn't that much of a loot grind. Yes, there was loot to aspire to, but the most important thing was mastering the kits. By far. Likewise I love Overwatch. No loot grinding there either. Yes, there's lootboxes, but their content has no practical effect on the gameplay. What matters is mastering the kits and figuring out how to play as a teammate. I don't care about shiny weapons and armor. I just want good gameplay.
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Post by Doc on Feb 23, 2019 6:12:00 GMT
Yes, there was loot to aspire to, but the most important thing was mastering the kits. By far. Likewise I love Overwatch. No loot grinding there either. Yes, there's lootboxes, but their content has no practical effect on the gameplay. What matters is mastering the kits and figuring out how to play as a teammate. Hadn't thought of that until you brought it up. Anthem has amazing kits with potential synergies, but there's no easy way for players to tinker with builds. You just have to use what's highest level and hope it's an okay ability.
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Post by aglomeracja on Feb 23, 2019 8:58:01 GMT
So you know you made no sense, at last. It's time to end this paranoia of "BioWare is being targeted" and hold them accountable for their failures. Anthem is being received worse than Andromeda. What will the excuse be this time? People are focusing only on the animations? Or the game is just bad? Also: 2) Unlike Andromeda which was largely hit for its glitches....Anthem is being hit for its core gameplay and story. Thats stuff you really cant fix in a patch. That part is a bit surprising since this MMO shooter has a better story and gameplay than Andromeda.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 23, 2019 9:08:42 GMT
Also: 2) Unlike Andromeda which was largely hit for its glitches....Anthem is being hit for its core gameplay and story. Thats stuff you really cant fix in a patch. That part is a bit surprising since this MMO shooter has a better story and gameplay than Andromeda. I know andromeda’s story wasn’t brilliant but anthem having a better story.. nah
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Post by papaspud on Feb 23, 2019 9:10:05 GMT
Also: 2) Unlike Andromeda which was largely hit for its glitches....Anthem is being hit for its core gameplay and story. Thats stuff you really cant fix in a patch. That part is a bit surprising since this MMO shooter has a better story and gameplay than Andromeda. You can see MEAs influence in this game through and through.
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Post by aglomeracja on Feb 23, 2019 9:24:35 GMT
That part is a bit surprising since this MMO shooter has a better story and gameplay than Andromeda. I know andromeda’s story wasn’t brilliant but anthem having a better story.. nah IMO Anthem has better characters and story at least has some novelty value. That part is a bit surprising since this MMO shooter has a better story and gameplay than Andromeda. You can see MEAs influence in this game through and through. Yeah, but it's a lot better.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 23, 2019 10:49:36 GMT
I know andromeda’s story wasn’t brilliant but anthem having a better story.. nah IMO Anthem has better characters and story at least has some novelty value. I’ll give it better character animation. Reviews have quite rightly slammed its poor character and story imo.
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Post by aglomeracja on Feb 23, 2019 11:02:56 GMT
IMO Anthem has better characters and story at least has some novelty value. I’ll give it better character animation. Reviews have quite rightly slammed its poor character and story imo. Yeah, they aslo slamed Andromeda's characters and story.
Nonetheless, characters in Anthem are better. Bar wasn't high though, they only had to avoid making a crysis response specialists who does nothing but creating crysis situations by being a moron or an Asari "scientist" that acts in the most infantile and irresponsible manner possible hardly ever doing any science, etc.
But seriously, main characters in Anthem are pretty decent. Nothing special, but for an MMO shooter it's probably amazing.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 23, 2019 11:08:46 GMT
My bad, thought this was the Anthem metacritic thread. So you know you made no sense, at last. It's time to end this paranoia of "BioWare is being targeted" and hold them accountable for their failures. Anthem is being received worse than Andromeda. What will the excuse be this time? People are focusing only on the animations? Or the game is just bad? Strawmaning me, simply pointed out a possibility as to why some might want to review bomb Anthem.
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Post by papaspud on Feb 23, 2019 11:30:34 GMT
So you know you made no sense, at last. It's time to end this paranoia of "BioWare is being targeted" and hold them accountable for their failures. Anthem is being received worse than Andromeda. What will the excuse be this time? People are focusing only on the animations? Or the game is just bad? Strawmaning me, simply pointed out a possibility as to why some might want to review bomb Anthem. Meh, I gave it a 6, which is what it deserves.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 23, 2019 11:41:18 GMT
I agree. The older I get the less tolerant I am of the 'loot grind'. As long as I get my monies wroth out the game I'm happy and don't give a monkey's brass balls about having the best high level gear. Seriously. I loved ME3 multiplayer because there really wasn't that much of a loot grind. Yes, there was loot to aspire to, but the most important thing was mastering the kits. By far. Likewise I love Overwatch. No loot grinding there either. Yes, there's lootboxes, but their content has no practical effect on the gameplay. What matters is mastering the kits and figuring out how to play as a teammate. I don't care about shiny weapons and armor. I just want good gameplay. Don't forget shiny new loot can introduce new gameplay mechanics, hence a motivation for acquiring new loot.
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Post by evilfluffmonster on Feb 23, 2019 11:49:54 GMT
The great thing is, what we have currently is a mere introduction to the world they have created, its a base to build upon.
The problem is uncertainty about the future. If I was making a game like this with planned procedural story updates etc I would be adding more loot, more unique mission types, more abilities new NPC's over time. Much of this content is probably already made but held back - but in this case its not like other games where its held back for paid DLC, its already included in your game price and its released over time like events in an MMO.
Ironically the games story and events evolving over real time was a selling point, but it seems to be backfiring because theres a tonne of people who dont seem to understand how this works.
In all these negative reviews ive watched, not one mentioned adequately that the story is released in free updates over time, they all seem to be treating it like a static entity, and theres not any more to it.
When I started Warframe for example, there were about four characters available, three basic, very linear mission types and barely any story to go at. Now years later theres something like 35 characters(frames) to play as, whole open worlds to explore, the combat and movement systems have been revamped theres so many things they had added to keep it fresh.
Thing is, I still get burnt out or bored and run out of things I want to do. The beauty of this game model, done well, is that it keeps you coming back. You can take a break for a bit. You can play casually or you can play like a madman for weeks till you've exhausted everything - yet by releasing content procedurally the community gets to experience everything together. Plot twists, new game modes etc - it keeps the playerbase together.
I am really hoping the future of Anthem goes like this, its got its flaws but if they keep giving us new content it will be amazing.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 23, 2019 12:50:06 GMT
Also: 2) Unlike Andromeda which was largely hit for its glitches....Anthem is being hit for its core gameplay and story. Thats stuff you really cant fix in a patch. That part is a bit surprising since this MMO shooter has a better story and gameplay than Andromeda.
MMO? Nah... it's four player co-op. Combat is only as good as the team. With randos who knows?
And the story? Well, the background history of a non playable character is not effective as old Bio RPG stories and char. development. The rest is Lore expansion. Some players may be satisfied with pablum and are quite willing to shell out 60-80 bucks for it.
Most, I believe, are there for the shoot-kill-destroy part. ... the latter needing additional core tweaking. and the weapons` DPS, assigning unique rifle designs and weapon fire sounds.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 23, 2019 12:58:51 GMT
Honestly,i'm not really surprised of the reviews i kinda expected this would happen. But I understand why most people are not happy right now,you'd think this game would have more content at launch considering they apparently worked on it for 7 years. I'm not one of those people who thinks this game is gonna kill Bioware though,they seem to be listening to their fans (i've heard they implemented a Hub into the game something a lot of players asked) if they keep doing that and keep adding new content to the game then i'm sure it's gonna be fine.
Aah.... but the trick is convincing those in the gaming echo system to buy the game after such poor metacritic scores. ...
Let`s ask the question. How many pro reviewers who made one for Feb 21-23rd , will, again, review the game a month later with additional fixes, content and what not . I just wish Anthem was in much better shape when the reviews were made.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 23, 2019 13:05:19 GMT
Big Snip The beauty of this game model, done well, is that it keeps you coming back. I am really hoping the future of Anthem goes like this, its got its flaws but if they keep giving us new content it will be amazing.
And that`s the crux of it. Anthem has too many warts that need cleaning up.
First impressions, as they say, is crucial.
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Post by Camel on Feb 23, 2019 14:42:04 GMT
Anthem isn't doing good.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 23, 2019 15:02:20 GMT
Anthem isn't doing good. At least they managed to not surpass Fallout 76, right?
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Post by Camel on Feb 23, 2019 16:33:36 GMT
Anthem isn't doing good. At least they managed to not surpass Fallout 76, right? Yup, I'm glad I didn't buy Fallout 76.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 23, 2019 16:59:04 GMT
The great thing is, what we have currently is a mere introduction to the world they have created, its a base to build upon. The problem is uncertainty about the future. If I was making a game like this with planned procedural story updates etc I would be adding more loot, more unique mission types, more abilities new NPC's over time. Much of this content is probably already made but held back - but in this case its not like other games where its held back for paid DLC, its already included in your game price and its released over time like events in an MMO. Ironically the games story and events evolving over real time was a selling point, but it seems to be backfiring because theres a tonne of people who dont seem to understand how this works. In all these negative reviews ive watched, not one mentioned adequately that the story is released in free updates over time, they all seem to be treating it like a static entity, and theres not any more to it. When I started Warframe for example, there were about four characters available, three basic, very linear mission types and barely any story to go at. Now years later theres something like 35 characters(frames) to play as, whole open worlds to explore, the combat and movement systems have been revamped theres so many things they had added to keep it fresh. Thing is, I still get burnt out or bored and run out of things I want to do. The beauty of this game model, done well, is that it keeps you coming back. You can take a break for a bit. You can play casually or you can play like a madman for weeks till you've exhausted everything - yet by releasing content procedurally the community gets to experience everything together. Plot twists, new game modes etc - it keeps the playerbase together. I am really hoping the future of Anthem goes like this, its got its flaws but if they keep giving us new content it will be amazing. JFC that’s why we get shit. This isn’t a free game. You shelled out $60 for it. There is no, the great thing is it has fucking nothing but it will grow into something. It’s they shorted me $40 of content that maybe they will fix in the future. Live service models are fine if the initial product gives you a complete game and the live service is growing off that. Or in the case of warframe it’s free. If you pay for a complete game you should get one at release with live service making it better over time.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 23, 2019 17:16:01 GMT
Okay, earlier I made a claim that reading Metacritic user rants are worth more than a picosecond of attention, and here's a case in point. This made me LOL. I don't care who you are, this shit is funny!
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Post by therevanchist25 on Feb 23, 2019 17:16:58 GMT
Welp. I've pretty much played since 7AM Friday Morning, until like 20 minutes ago to download the update, with small breaks for food and sleep. I am at level 15, and I've just finished the Tombs mission... as a lifelong Bioware fan, whos long since been jaded for nearly a decade, I decided to believe one last time, and take the plunge on this with the LoD version. This is my honest opinion of Anthem so far. But before I do, I want to preface this by saying, I feel like my many years of MMO experience has possibly attuned me to games like this. I also want to stress that I hated almost everything about the Demo.
The facial animations and body animations in the conversations in Fort Tarsis and even during the campaign scenes away from the Fort... this is in my humble opinion, Bioware's greatest work yet in this area, and it's not even close. Even now I am still gobsmacked by just how good these things are in several conversations. Likewise I am pleased to report the absolutely fantastic voice acting so far, almost across the board (male PC is okay-ish). So far the campaign is honestly quite acceptable to me, and is very much the typical fair that I've come to expect from Bioware after all these years with the typical tropes they love to use. Likewise the conversations themselves within Fort Tarsis are actually written quite nicely, despite the total lack of meaningful dialogue choices. But then I never expected those from a non RPG. The Cortex lore entries are very nice, and I've spent tons of time just sitting in Tarsis reading them. I also personally have no issues with the Fort Tarsis walking/running speed. It is more than fast enough for me personally.
The combat is just as fun as ever, and was the one big thing from the demo that I did enjoy. It's not getting dull in the slightest so far. It's just stupid amounts of fun, and it gives me hope for the games future, because if your gameplay is borked, your game is basically toast. Likewise I am loving the Bastion map. It is simply gorgeous, and actually far bigger than I was expecting given my low expectations from the demo. I am also happy to report that all the matchmaking pugs I've gotten have been fairly compatent, as I've been playing on Hard the entire time with almost no issues from a teammate perspective. I would also like to point out there is no shortage of players right now despite the review bombing. I think I've only seen the same player one time since 7AM yesterday.
I've also not experienced a single technical issue so far, aside from Frostbite Sound Bug. No disconnets, no frame rate drops, nothing. But the biggest moment for me, one that finally put a smile on my face, was when I found a radio in Fort Tarsis, turned it on, and heard an episode of "The Adventures of Detective Hops". This right here, was the sign I was looking for. Fun little unimportant story bits, like the Bioware of old. Not since "Blasto: Partners in Crime" have I seen this type of content from Bioware. Not since the Adventures of Herbert "Daring" Dashwood and his faithful ghoul manservant Argyle have I had this feeling. I then found a Cortex entry that put the nail in it. The entry for Governor's Terrace I think it's called, wherein it tells the hilarious story of the various ridiculous names the location has gone through. This was the proof I personally needed to see. The passion from the dev team. I felt no passion in Andromeda. But I can see the passion of the "A Team" here. Passion takes the form of the little things, putting work into things most players will never notice.
Speaking honestly, aside from the sound bug, and sheer number of loading screens? I no longer have any other complaints about this title as of this moment. Not one. I am quite frankly perplexed by the hate train of reviews, now having fully gotten many hours of hands on experience. If this opinion changes, I'll be sure to let people know. But truthfully, right now? I am more than happy to finally be saying, I am truly, at long last, happy to finally be playing, a Bioware game again.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 23, 2019 17:25:56 GMT
I am more than happy to finally be saying, I am truly, at long last, happy to finally be playing, a Bioware game again. Maybe don't bury your review in this thread? Start a new thread.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Feb 23, 2019 17:33:08 GMT
I am more than happy to finally be saying, I am truly, at long last, happy to finally be playing, a Bioware game again. Maybe don't bury your review in this thread? Start a new thread. As you wish...
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Post by OdanUrr on Feb 23, 2019 17:47:51 GMT
Maybe don't bury your review in this thread? Start a new thread. Fixed it.
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