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Post by CryMeARiver on Mar 1, 2019 18:25:00 GMT
A week later and both PS4 digital versions of "Anthem" are listed as #1 and #2 on Amazon's "Best Sellers" list...it's also the top selling full priced PC game there are well. Are these skewed in some way? I am legitimately asking as I don't for certain if Amazon and EA can conspire to manipulate this in some way or if it truly demonstrates legit sales rankings. Well it registrate the sales in those places, i doubt there is some kind of conspiracy between EA and Amazon to put its games in the top selling list, like why EA and not Ubisoft instead. That would be kinda of a tinfoil hat level of conspiracy.
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Don't bother with crymeariver people. He is likely a bogus account made for trolling of someone already here who is on tin ice with the mods because of past behaviour.
So no statement on what I said? Just revert to the typical fanboy rhetoric? Those Japanese numbers are true and to the point. The Anthem and Fallout 76 numbers are for both disc and digital (Japan doesn't release them separately) and also falls under launch day sales (day one). Regardless if you like it or not is irrelevant!
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 1, 2019 18:57:00 GMT
Open World Games, like Yong Yea, does dodgy analysis. I'll call that stuff out just like people like to call out Yong Yea. I had to stop watching OWG for exactly this reason. When a channel’s only content is reading Reddit posts, I’m done. OWG definitely has the harder job these days, trying to spin positive.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 1, 2019 19:19:08 GMT
Open World Games, like Yong Yea, does dodgy analysis. I'll call that stuff out just like people like to call out Yong Yea. I had to stop watching OWG for exactly this reason. When a channel’s only content is reading Reddit posts, I’m done. OWG definitely has the harder job these days, trying to spin positive. And folks wonder why I am so militant over Joe Vargas...
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 1, 2019 19:37:43 GMT
Here's a youtuber I quite like.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 1, 2019 19:43:53 GMT
Here's a youtuber I quite like. YouTube comments are full of hilarity and tin foil hat theories.
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Post by CryMeARiver on Mar 1, 2019 19:50:12 GMT
Here's a youtuber I quite like. YouTube comments are full of hilarity and tin foil hat theories. Unless the Youtube video is pro Bioware right? Then it's no longer tin foil... I guess it's still better than the mental hoops fanboys have to jump through so they can feel good about their purchase right?
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Post by smilesja on Mar 1, 2019 20:01:56 GMT
YouTube comments are full of hilarity and tin foil hat theories. Unless the Youtube video is pro Bioware right? Then it's no longer tin foil... I guess it's still better than the mental hoops fanboys have to jump through so they can feel good about their purchase right? Is fanboy all you can say?
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Post by CryMeARiver on Mar 1, 2019 20:14:24 GMT
Unless the Youtube video is pro Bioware right? Then it's no longer tin foil... I guess it's still better than the mental hoops fanboys have to jump through so they can feel good about their purchase right? Is fanboy all you can say? Is talking about the "haters" the only thing you can say?
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Post by river82 on Mar 1, 2019 21:28:15 GMT
Here's a youtuber I quite like. My favourite gaming channel atm Just wish it was bigger and covered more stuff
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 1, 2019 21:32:05 GMT
This game isn't interesting enough for me to play. If you've got a point, make it. Shiny things in the private storefront of some private company don't represent any objective market data. Well, that's clearer. You're saying that "Top Games" is meaningless, right? Or the metric for being a "top game" is social media chatter or some such rather than sales per se. Or that it represents a hope that the game will sell.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 1, 2019 21:37:21 GMT
Shiny things in the private storefront of some private company don't represent any objective market data. A week later and both PS4 digital versions of "Anthem" are listed as #1 and #2 on Amazon's "Best Sellers" list...it's also the top selling full priced PC game there are well. Are these skewed in some way? I am legitimately asking as I don't for certain if Amazon and EA can conspire to manipulate this in some way or if it truly demonstrates legit sales rankings. I can't see any upside for Amazon. Even if EA wanted to pay them for it, it's just asking for a scandal.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 1, 2019 21:46:25 GMT
We may be in a whole new world, where initial reviews and initial sales are less important than recurring revenue over the course of a quarter or year.
Not unimportant, though. Word of mouth and friend recommendations will influence initial entry into a live service and the bigger the initial population, the better your chances at sustaining.
All that said, though, it’s possible EA has a strategy prepared for a bad launch that lets them make up revenue later in the cycle. I don’t mean just by the expected predatory practices, though those are certainly possible.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 1, 2019 22:07:40 GMT
We may be in a whole new world, where initial reviews and initial sales are less important than recurring revenue over the course of a quarter or year. Not unimportant, though. Word of mouth and friend recommendations will influence initial entry into a live service and the bigger the initial population, the better your chances at sustaining. All that said, though, it’s possible EA has a strategy prepared for a bad launch that lets them make up revenue later in the cycle. I don’t mean just by the expected predatory practices, though those are certainly possible. What do you mean may be? We've been in that world for a while now thanks to GTA and Call of Duty.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 1, 2019 23:21:03 GMT
We may be in a whole new world, where initial reviews and initial sales are less important than recurring revenue over the course of a quarter or year. Not unimportant, though. Word of mouth and friend recommendations will influence initial entry into a live service and the bigger the initial population, the better your chances at sustaining. All that said, though, it’s possible EA has a strategy prepared for a bad launch that lets them make up revenue later in the cycle. I don’t mean just by the expected predatory practices, though those are certainly possible. Well, there is certainly a disconnect between the traditional journalistic review that is firmly in the 60's and the reviews I'm seeing at Best Buy, Amazon, in the various PSN and XBox Live digital stores where the reviews are somewhere between 3.8 - 4.3 stars out of 5 depending where you look. The only place that's a negative is the usual Metacritic review bomb.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 1, 2019 23:26:50 GMT
We may be in a whole new world, where initial reviews and initial sales are less important than recurring revenue over the course of a quarter or year. Not unimportant, though. Word of mouth and friend recommendations will influence initial entry into a live service and the bigger the initial population, the better your chances at sustaining. All that said, though, it’s possible EA has a strategy prepared for a bad launch that lets them make up revenue later in the cycle. I don’t mean just by the expected predatory practices, though those are certainly possible. Well, there is certainly a disconnect between the traditional journalistic review that is firmly in the 60's and the reviews I'm seeing at Best Buy, Amazon, in the various PSN and XBox Live digital stores where the reviews are somewhere between 3.8 - 4.3 stars out of 5 depending where you look. The only place that's a negative is the usual Metacritic review bomb. It’s obvious they’re all paid shills. EA has been working overtime to find suckers to shill hard for them to counteract the Metacritic scores.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 1, 2019 23:37:06 GMT
Well, there is certainly a disconnect between the traditional journalistic review that is firmly in the 60's and the reviews I'm seeing at Best Buy, Amazon, in the various PSN and XBox Live digital stores where the reviews are somewhere between 3.8 - 4.3 stars out of 5 depending where you look. The only place that's a negative is the usual Metacritic review bomb. It’s obvious they’re all paid shills. EA has been working overtime to find suckers to shill hard for them to counteract the Metacritic scores. Find me a store that puts up an item for sale and showcases it by marketing and advertising with mediocre reviews. Has nothing to do with EA.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 1, 2019 23:38:42 GMT
Shiny things in the private storefront of some private company don't represent any objective market data. Well, that's clearer. You're saying that "Top Games" is meaningless, right? Or the metric for being a "top game" is social media chatter or some such rather than sales per se. Or that it represents a hope that the game will sell. "Top Seller" as the tag of a shop owner to be precise.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 2, 2019 2:39:03 GMT
We may be in a whole new world, where initial reviews and initial sales are less important than recurring revenue over the course of a quarter or year. Not unimportant, though. Word of mouth and friend recommendations will influence initial entry into a live service and the bigger the initial population, the better your chances at sustaining. All that said, though, it’s possible EA has a strategy prepared for a bad launch that lets them make up revenue later in the cycle. I don’t mean just by the expected predatory practices, though those are certainly possible. What do you mean may be? We've been in that world for a while now thanks to GTA and Call of Duty. I’ll admit ignorance. I didn’t know CoD had recovered, and I didn’t know GTA (sp) had a bad launch.
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 2, 2019 2:41:21 GMT
We may be in a whole new world, where initial reviews and initial sales are less important than recurring revenue over the course of a quarter or year. Not unimportant, though. Word of mouth and friend recommendations will influence initial entry into a live service and the bigger the initial population, the better your chances at sustaining. All that said, though, it’s possible EA has a strategy prepared for a bad launch that lets them make up revenue later in the cycle. I don’t mean just by the expected predatory practices, though those are certainly possible. What do you mean may be? We've been in that world for a while now thanks to GTA and Call of Duty. Which GTA? I sincerely hope you're not talking about GTA V.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 2, 2019 3:00:28 GMT
We may be in a whole new world, where initial reviews and initial sales are less important than recurring revenue over the course of a quarter or year. And that argument doesnt help Anthem's case out either. I always said that even if Anthem sold 10 million units in the first 48 hours and had average review scores of 9/10....the true test is how it sustains months and months after release. For a GaaS, it has to compete for the player's time against Apex Legends which is currently a beast. Then you have Division 2 just around the corner. Then you have non-GaaS games like The Outer Worlds, new Call of Duty and God forbid Cyberpunk 2078 comes out this year. But even with Division 2, the post launch road map for Division 2 is already garnering more talk and positive talk from gamers compared to that of the vague and somewhat generic road map for Anthem.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 2, 2019 3:39:33 GMT
Well, that's clearer. You're saying that "Top Games" is meaningless, right? Or the metric for being a "top game" is social media chatter or some such rather than sales per se. Or that it represents a hope that the game will sell. "Top Seller" as the tag of a shop owner to be precise. Well, "top seller" is a simple factual statement. Doesn't really matter where it's made. What's Sony's motivation for putting something that isn't actually one of their top sellers on the list of top sellers? To the extent that appearing on such a list actually gives them some percentage more sales, isn't it better to have that percentage bonus be applied to the games which really are selling the best? What's the advantage of manipulating the list? Sony makes their money from anything on the store, right?
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 2, 2019 5:27:43 GMT
What do you mean may be? We've been in that world for a while now thanks to GTA and Call of Duty. I’ll admit ignorance. I didn’t know CoD had recovered, and I didn’t know GTA (sp) had a bad launch. GTA 4 had a pretty divisive launch, it was after the lost and the damned where it really picked up steam from What I remember.it sold but it wasn't nuclear like gta 3 and 5. How GTA V launched it more or less created an online ecosystem that is frankly impressive, despite being so fucked up and arguably predatory.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 2, 2019 7:14:43 GMT
Yep, dropped the price on PS4 physical copies only...and yet is the #1 seller for digital editions for PS4. Rather lends to the idea that its selling well digitally Also, it's the only game seller that has it as a discount right now... But, yeah, I get it, what happens two months from now...or 6 months...or a year...or do we moving goal posts to declare "Anthem" a success or failure so far that we need the Hubble Telescope to see it
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