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Post by Fredward on Mar 2, 2019 7:33:20 GMT
Don't have much of a horse in this race but why are threads negative/critical of Anthem getting an anchor?
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 2, 2019 7:35:57 GMT
You mean Bethesda Softworks third best selling Fallout game? So at least somewhere between 11 and 13 million copies? Troll account...hit and run, pay it no mind Yeah I know. With "endless" possibilities of origin.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 2, 2019 7:38:35 GMT
Don't have much of a horse in this race but why are threads negative/critical of Anthem getting an anchor? I'm guessing they feel the topic likely has run it's course
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Post by Fredward on Mar 2, 2019 7:46:51 GMT
Don't have much of a horse in this race but why are threads negative/critical of Anthem getting an anchor? I'm guessing they feel the topic likely has run it's course Which topic? Negativity in general or something more specific? If this is gonna be new moderator policy I would like 1) official clarification, know what exactly is subject to censure and 2) following that clarification to have an open and frank community discussion about it because I have CONCERNS.
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 2, 2019 7:51:35 GMT
I'm guessing they feel the topic likely has run it's course Which topic? Negativity in general or something more specific? If this is gonna be new moderator policy I would like 1) official clarification, know what exactly is subject to censure and 2) following that clarification to have an open and frank community discussion about it because I have CONCERNS. If I were to guess, given that the skepticism thread is still up, the intent is for that to be the focal point for negativity about the game rather than spread over many threads.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 2, 2019 7:57:43 GMT
"Top Seller" as the tag of a shop owner to be precise. Well, "top seller" is a simple factual statement. Doesn't really matter where it's made. What's Sony's motivation for putting something that isn't actually one of their top sellers on the list of top sellers? To the extent that appearing on such a list actually gives them some percentage more sales, isn't it better to have that percentage bonus be applied to the games which really are selling the best? What's the advantage of manipulating the list? Sony makes their money from anything on the store, right? Advertising isn't factual.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 2, 2019 8:01:56 GMT
I'm guessing they feel the topic likely has run it's course Which topic? Negativity in general or something more specific? If this is gonna be new moderator policy I would like 1) official clarification, know what exactly is subject to censure and 2) following that clarification to have an open and frank community discussion about it because I have CONCERNS. Well, predominantly, this thread was about physical sales being down after "Anthem's" release in comparison to ME:A and vanilla Destiny, which came out almost 5 years ago, but the article used is clickbait nonsense so, after 10 pages where should it go now? The topic of this specific thread? Seems an anchor is appropriate since it's not like other threads won't be made on this topic in the future
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Post by Fredward on Mar 2, 2019 8:15:19 GMT
Which topic? Negativity in general or something more specific? If this is gonna be new moderator policy I would like 1) official clarification, know what exactly is subject to censure and 2) following that clarification to have an open and frank community discussion about it because I have CONCERNS. If I were to guess, given that the skepticism thread is still up, the intent is for that to be the focal point for negativity about the game rather than spread over many threads. Do you suppose they'll funnel all positive posts into the hype thread next? I'm being flippant but there's a serious discussion to be had here about the broader nature of what a forum should be (the most salient in this instance being: is the goal of a forum to be a space for discussion or is a forum a space for particular/curated/the "right kind" of discussions) and I'd rather that be a discussion the community gets to participate in rather than decisions being made opaquely and imposed from the top down. Which topic? Negativity in general or something more specific? If this is gonna be new moderator policy I would like 1) official clarification, know what exactly is subject to censure and 2) following that clarification to have an open and frank community discussion about it because I have CONCERNS. Well, predominantly, this thread was about physical sales being down after "Anthem's" release in comparison to ME:A and vanilla Destiny, which came out almost 5 years ago, but the article used is clickbait nonsense so, after 10 pages where should it go now? The topic of this specific thread? Seems an anchor is appropriate since it's not like other threads won't be made on this topic in the future And will they get anchors in the future too? What's being finger waggled here, the negativity? The clickbait? The speculative discussion on sales numbers? What's the common theme between the two other threads with anchors but not, say, the skepticism or complaints threads? Hence my desire for clarification.
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Post by nanotm on Mar 2, 2019 9:16:25 GMT
A week later and both PS4 digital versions of "Anthem" are listed as #1 and #2 on Amazon's "Best Sellers" list...it's also the top selling full priced PC game there are well. Are these skewed in some way? I am legitimately asking as I don't for certain if Amazon and EA can conspire to manipulate this in some way or if it truly demonstrates legit sales rankings. I can't see any upside for Amazon. Even if EA wanted to pay them for it, it's just asking for a scandal. amazon actively tracks sales for the items, the promotions are listed as promotions at the top/ bottom of the search page, but as many have mentioned physical sales are not necessarily indicative of being good or bad, the fact that LOD version of anthem is selling as well or better than the basic game is ammusing knowing what the LOD version gives you over the base game I sure wouldn't be happy paying hte extra for it, I got the access premier account after playing the test versions and becasue of soemthing else listed as getting released later in the year so far I have 80+ hours in anthem because life gets in the way and yet I kinda like the game, there are bits I dont like but thats the case with most games, there are issues caused mostly by network load and server balancing but again thats primarily a networking issue not a game issue per se... and yeah there are bugs that need fixing big style like weapons and gear not scaling to difficulty properly
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 2, 2019 13:46:44 GMT
If I were to guess, given that the skepticism thread is still up, the intent is for that to be the focal point for negativity about the game rather than spread over many threads. Do you suppose they'll funnel all positive posts into the hype thread next? I'm being flippant but there's a serious discussion to be had here about the broader nature of what a forum should be (the most salient in this instance being: is the goal of a forum to be a space for discussion or is a forum a space for particular/curated/the "right kind" of discussions) and I'd rather that be a discussion the community gets to participate in rather than decisions being made opaquely and imposed from the top down. Well, predominantly, this thread was about physical sales being down after "Anthem's" release in comparison to ME:A and vanilla Destiny, which came out almost 5 years ago, but the article used is clickbait nonsense so, after 10 pages where should it go now? The topic of this specific thread? Seems an anchor is appropriate since it's not like other threads won't be made on this topic in the future And will they get anchors in the future too? What's being finger waggled here, the negativity? The clickbait? The speculative discussion on sales numbers? What's the common theme between the two other threads with anchors but not, say, the skepticism or complaints threads? Hence my desire for clarification. That is an excellent question. SofaJockey , can you elucidate the policy?
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 2, 2019 14:03:52 GMT
That is an excellent question. SofaJockey , can you elucidate the policy? Sure, anchors tend to get attached to threads with - excessive bickering, or
- a lame or low effort thread, or
- a thread just about one non-merit-worthy review or youtube video
- when a piece of news is no longer topical, or
- when it's a discussion that is arguably a repetition of another already running discussion.
It's a way of allowing the discussion to continue without a lock, but keeps the top of the forum clean. It's not particularly aimed at 'negative threads', it can apply to positive ones too. Happy to take anchoring (on non-anchoring) suggestions by PM or report. And I'm not sure it's a policy, more of a guideline.
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Post by Fredward on Mar 2, 2019 14:22:28 GMT
Happy to take anchoring (on non-anchoring) suggestions by PM or report. So it can be quietly and summarily ignored. And I'm not sure it's a policy, more of a guideline. So that reasons can be added at any time to retroactively justify the moderator's whim. I'm not mad, just disappointed. Especially since the motive seems to be nothing beyond servility to the same company that necessitated the creation of this ostensibly UNofficial forum.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 2, 2019 14:35:23 GMT
Some threads are best ignored. This one seems to be going downhill fast.
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Post by Fredward on Mar 2, 2019 15:03:53 GMT
Some threads are best ignored. This one seems to be going downhill fast. Watch out fam we have a 3D chess player on our hands. Here's how to favorite specific threads in case the knowledge just happens to become increasingly useful. I'm done now btw; wouldn't want to contribute any further to what no doubt be the lamentable locking of this thread.
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 2, 2019 15:44:16 GMT
That is an excellent question. SofaJockey , can you elucidate the policy? Sure, anchors tend to get attached to threads with - excessive bickering, or
- a lame or low effort thread, or
- a thread just about one non-merit-worthy review or youtube video
- when a piece of news is no longer topical, or
- when it's a discussion that is arguably a repetition of another already running discussion.
It's a way of allowing the discussion to continue without a lock, but keeps the top of the forum clean. It's not particularly aimed at 'negative threads', it can apply to positive ones too. Happy to take anchoring (on non-anchoring) suggestions by PM or report. And I'm not sure it's a policy, more of a guideline. Does "I like this game!" count as a low effort thread?
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 2, 2019 15:48:46 GMT
Does "I like this game!" count as a low effort thread? It was fine to have its moment of oxygen, but yep, that's a fair candidate for a thread that could have just as happily existed in the Hype Thread. Anchoring. p.s. I've removed some whining about moderation unconnected with the thread.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 2, 2019 15:57:49 GMT
Yep, dropped the price on PS4 physical copies only...and yet is the #1 seller for digital editions for PS4. Rather lends to the idea that its selling well digitally Also, it's the only game seller that has it as a discount right now... But, yeah, I get it, what happens two months from now...or 6 months...or a year...or do we moving goal posts to declare "Anthem" a success or failure so far that we need the Hubble Telescope to see it Actually this was my stance months before launch. I always said that Anthem's fate would not be decided 2 weeks after launch but 6-10 months after launch. Can Anthem sustain and/or add to what it has now? Especially with Apex expanding and Division 2 just around the corner which I must add is currently having an overall positive open beta compared to that of Anthem's "demo". The market is flooded with GaaS types and competing for the time of the consumer will only get harder throughout the year. IMO, Anthem is done for because it launched at a bad time. If it launched say in the Summer where no other major GaaS released and using the E3 hype as a marketing spring board, then Anthem would have been able to be the pure standout new kid on the block and win over people tired from Apex and Division 2. Instead it launch dead smack in the middle of both of them. Again, it didnt help that Apex is F2P and got great reviews nor is it helping that D2 is currently having a positive beta and if D2 has great reviews and strong sales....it would be not the final, but one of the final nails in the coffin for Anthem. The next question is how patient will EA be with Anthem? Considering Apex may be enough to sustain EA?
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 16:18:31 GMT
Sure, anchors tend to get attached to threads with - excessive bickering, or
- a lame or low effort thread, or
- a thread just about one non-merit-worthy review or youtube video
- when a piece of news is no longer topical, or
- when it's a discussion that is arguably a repetition of another already running discussion.
It's a way of allowing the discussion to continue without a lock, but keeps the top of the forum clean. It's not particularly aimed at 'negative threads', it can apply to positive ones too. Happy to take anchoring (on non-anchoring) suggestions by PM or report. And I'm not sure it's a policy, more of a guideline. Does "I like this game!" count as a low effort thread? To be honest going from Sofas perspective, it depends on the context. If a thread devolves into endless bickering, then it’ll get locked or anchored regardless if a thread is positive or not.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 2, 2019 17:49:47 GMT
Yep, dropped the price on PS4 physical copies only...and yet is the #1 seller for digital editions for PS4. Rather lends to the idea that its selling well digitally Also, it's the only game seller that has it as a discount right now... But, yeah, I get it, what happens two months from now...or 6 months...or a year...or do we moving goal posts to declare "Anthem" a success or failure so far that we need the Hubble Telescope to see it Actually this was my stance months before launch. I always said that Anthem's fate would not be decided 2 weeks after launch but 6-10 months after launch. Can Anthem sustain and/or add to what it has now? Especially with Apex expanding and Division 2 just around the corner which I must add is currently having an overall positive open beta compared to that of Anthem's "demo". The market is flooded with GaaS types and competing for the time of the consumer will only get harder throughout the year. IMO, Anthem is done for because it launched at a bad time. If it launched say in the Summer where no other major GaaS released and using the E3 hype as a marketing spring board, then Anthem would have been able to be the pure standout new kid on the block and win over people tired from Apex and Division 2. Instead it launch dead smack in the middle of both of them. Again, it didnt help that Apex is F2P and got great reviews nor is it helping that D2 is currently having a positive beta and if D2 has great reviews and strong sales....it would be not the final, but one of the final nails in the coffin for Anthem. The next question is how patient will EA be with Anthem? Considering Apex may be enough to sustain EA? That's a lot words for "I really, really, really, really, really hope it fails (closes eyes super-tight, crosses-fingers, and says a prayer)"
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 17:57:59 GMT
What do you mean may be? We've been in that world for a while now thanks to GTA and Call of Duty. I’ll admit ignorance. I didn’t know CoD had recovered, and I didn’t know GTA (sp) had a bad launch. I mean at this point, COD is critic proof. No matter how many people complain about the game, it’s still really popular.
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