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Post by revelationeffect on Aug 24, 2019 3:35:07 GMT
I will point out that while DAI proved divisive among the fanbase, and is certainly not without significant flaws, it sold very well, was received very well critically, and proved very popular with a significant section of the fanbase. Andromeda and Anthem are a different story, though, admittedly.
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Post by aglomeracja on Aug 24, 2019 10:56:00 GMT
*shrugs* EA will take a failure like DAI any day of the week. And despite all of the kerfuffle over ME3, it made its numbers just fine. I don't want it to fail, but how many duds do you think EA is going to take from Bioware? They've nuked other devs for far less. What were ME3 numers btw? IIRC by far the highest of all their games up to that point. Around 6 million I think, but they earned much more through ME3MP.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 24, 2019 13:13:43 GMT
*shrugs* EA will take a failure like DAI any day of the week. And despite all of the kerfuffle over ME3, it made its numbers just fine. I don't want it to fail, but how many duds do you think EA is going to take from Bioware? They've nuked other devs for far less. What were ME3 numers btw? Just objecting to framing games which succeeded as failures. I'll certainly accept ME:A and Anthem as failures. (ME:A seems to have made some money, but likely not enough to justify its cost-of-capital, and I'm expecting Anthem to outright lose money.) ME3's numbers are out there someplace. $40 million development, $200 million gross. Even with a big retailer split for the non-Origin sales and marketing costs, that was one of EA's big profit centers for the year. Sometimes people want to charge ME:A's failure to ME:A but it looks to me like ME:A failed on its own.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 24, 2019 13:15:17 GMT
Before MEA
"XX Developer leaving isnt a cause of concern"
After MEA
It was a complete flop and we learned that the workplace was toxic with poor leadership and poor decision making.
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"XX Developer leaving isnt a cause of concern"
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It was a complete flop and we learned that the workplace was toxic with poor leadership and poor decision making.
Before DA4
"XX Developer leaving isnt a cause of concern"
Ah, when will people learn....
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Post by revelationeffect on Aug 24, 2019 18:46:48 GMT
We'll see, I suppose. I'm not quite as concerned as with the others because the creative leads are still in place and DA4 has always sounded like it has a much greater sense of direction than Andromeda or Anthem.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 24, 2019 19:02:43 GMT
Only talent i'm concerned with them loosing was Laidlaw. Weekes is probably a better writer then Gaidar and didn't know Melo too well.
And Bioware really hasn't failed to deliver a quality product yet so I'm not worried.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 21:33:23 GMT
Only talent i'm concerned with them loosing was Laidlaw. Weekes is probably a better writer then Gaidar and didn't know Melo too well. And Bioware really hasn't failed to deliver a quality product yet so I'm not worried. I’m sorry but how do you qualify Weekes being a better writer, at least in context of DA? Gaider world built the series from its inception and wrote major characters and plots for the entire three games. Weekes wrote characters in DAI and was lead writer on Trespasser. I’m not saying Weekes is a bad writer, Tuchanka was a highlight of ME3. But claiming he’s a better writer than Gaider smacks of revisionist history to justify optimism for the future, and is frankly disrespectful to what came before. Your tactic in defending BioWare/Dragon Age often boils down to “I don’t recognise a specific criticism and therefor don’t find it valid” Have you played Anthem? If so, you honestly consider it a quality product? If not, you don’t think it’s dishonest to claim Bioware hasn’t released lesser quality products, you just haven’t purchased them?
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Post by colfoley on Aug 25, 2019 0:43:03 GMT
Only talent i'm concerned with them loosing was Laidlaw. Weekes is probably a better writer then Gaidar and didn't know Melo too well. And Bioware really hasn't failed to deliver a quality product yet so I'm not worried. I’m sorry but how do you qualify Weekes being a better writer, at least in context of DA? Gaider world built the series from its inception and wrote major characters and plots for the entire three games. Weekes wrote characters in DAI and was lead writer on Trespasser. I’m not saying Weekes is a bad writer, Tuchanka was a highlight of ME3. But claiming he’s a better writer than Gaider smacks of revisionist history to justify optimism for the future, and is frankly disrespectful to what came before. Your tactic in defending BioWare/Dragon Age often boils down to “I don’t recognise a specific criticism and therefor don’t find it valid” Have you played Anthem? If so, you honestly consider it a quality product? If not, you don’t think it’s dishonest to claim Bioware hasn’t released lesser quality products, you just haven’t purchased them? No my only tactic is to express my preferences for certain things over others. I have a preference for DA I over Wild Hunt. I have a preference for MEAs dialogue system over DAIs, I prefer Weekes to Gaider. And I think pretty much everyone on these forums states their own preferences, experiences, opinions on any given issue...so I'm hardly alone. I also don't know where you get the idea of me just ignoring or dismissing the opinions of others, granted I hardly remember interacting with you often so it's hard to know what you have and haven't seen. But I can assure you that I do no such thing. Also just because I have a preference for one thing does not mean I hate another, a mistake a lot of people make. Gaiders an awesome writer, Wild Hunt was a great game and DAI still has one of my favorite dialogue systems... the whole world isn't black and white. As far as Anthem is concerned...again dealing with my own preferences and experiences so it's not dishonest. When I get to Anthem I will judge it for its merits or lack of them. If i don't like it then so what... I've liked all BWs seven other games including quite probably my two favorite games of all time.
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Post by bizantura on Aug 25, 2019 15:03:42 GMT
My hopes are not high Bioware delivering a gripping outstanding DA4 (if it gets made) like in their heyday. Simply due to the fact, the times are changed too much socially. I know one is not supposed to talk about that but try making a game by the new social rules of inclusivity and exclusivity. All that comes out of this is cognitive dissonance.
Those new rules not only apply to the game but also the staff so frankly a lot of creativity and know-how got dampened and chaos reigns instead. Is it any wonder more and more knowledgable creative people of yesteryear are searching for alternatives and leaving?
Take Anthem, for instance, lack of leadership was a big factor the game got only direction and momentum the last 2 years of development instead of the full 7! Why was that? No one there to lead, I don't buy that. A better question would be, could the leadership lead as they once used too!!
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Post by Steelcan on Aug 25, 2019 16:00:48 GMT
Everybody said to not worry about the staff turnover around Andromeda, and again not to worry about it in regards to Anthem, and we ended up with two bad titles marred by mismanagement and lack of clear direction, more devs leaving BioWare doesn't inspire any confidence in me.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 25, 2019 17:13:37 GMT
Only talent i'm concerned with them loosing was Laidlaw. Weekes is probably a better writer then Gaidar and didn't know Melo too well. And Bioware really hasn't failed to deliver a quality product yet so I'm not worried. I’m sorry but how do you qualify Weekes being a better writer, at least in context of DA? Gaider world built the series from its inception and wrote major characters and plots for the entire three games. Weekes wrote characters in DAI and was lead writer on Trespasser. I’m not saying Weekes is a bad writer, Tuchanka was a highlight of ME3. But claiming he’s a better writer than Gaider smacks of revisionist history to justify optimism for the future, and is frankly disrespectful to what came before. Your tactic in defending BioWare/Dragon Age often boils down to “I don’t recognise a specific criticism and therefor don’t find it valid” Have you played Anthem? If so, you honestly consider it a quality product? If not, you don’t think it’s dishonest to claim Bioware hasn’t released lesser quality products, you just haven’t purchased them? Dude, Bioware has been spiraling down since MEA and many people here wont admit it. People just keep coming up with ways to defend Bioware it is nearly comical. People swore up and down that MEA would get SP DLC. Then when it was confirmed no SP dlc was coming....these same people took the revisionist approach and tried to explain that no SP dlc wasnt the result of review scores/fan criticism but because EA/Bioware never really planned on SP DLC from the get go. People here swore up and down that Anthem would not repeat the mistakes of MEA because the "A team" was working on Anthem versus MEA which had an upstart "B team". People here explained how Anthem will have more focused time im development and thus the end product would be great. Then when Anthem came out and got hammered by fans and critics...people here tried to be revisionist and claim that Anthem really didn't have the long development time they thought it had which contributed to the end quality. Now here we are with DA4 and these SAME people are expecting DA4 to be a success just like they thought with MEA and Anthem. These SAME people are using some of the SAME excuses such as...."Better team working on the game..." or "More time in development" among many others. What people forget is that we are ALREADY seeing some of the same mistakes made with DA4 that was made with Anthem and MEA and that is the changing in scope for the game mid development. We already know that there was a concept of DA4 that was already well into development which got canned so the entire project was essentially rebooted to focus more on a live service like Anthem. Please read: www.n3rdabl3.com/2019/04/dragon-age-4-reboot/?ampPeople like colfey wants to use the excuse of "Well I just go off my own opinions and taste" as an out for not facing the facts. Using his example, just a certain car made by ABC Company may get bad gas mileage than other cars by other companies and even bad gas mileage than other cars made by ABC Company in the past. Because gas mileage isnt important to me and/or I am satisfied with the gas mileage of this car by ABC Company.....that in no way means that the car made by ABC Company does not produce cars with poor gas mileage...it just means that I am either ignoring it or not moved by it. Again, I may not be cold/uncomfortable with going outside to check my main in 20 degrees weather with just shorts, tshirt and flip flops. However that does not eliminate the fact that 20 degrees is indeed cold weather and not weather ideal to be wearing shorts, flip flops and tshirts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 21:33:10 GMT
I’m sorry but how do you qualify Weekes being a better writer, at least in context of DA? Gaider world built the series from its inception and wrote major characters and plots for the entire three games. Weekes wrote characters in DAI and was lead writer on Trespasser. I’m not saying Weekes is a bad writer, Tuchanka was a highlight of ME3. But claiming he’s a better writer than Gaider smacks of revisionist history to justify optimism for the future, and is frankly disrespectful to what came before. Your tactic in defending BioWare/Dragon Age often boils down to “I don’t recognise a specific criticism and therefor don’t find it valid” Have you played Anthem? If so, you honestly consider it a quality product? If not, you don’t think it’s dishonest to claim Bioware hasn’t released lesser quality products, you just haven’t purchased them? No my only tactic is to express my preferences for certain things over others. I have a preference for DA I over Wild Hunt. I have a preference for MEAs dialogue system over DAIs, I prefer Weekes to Gaider. And I think pretty much everyone on these forums states their own preferences, experiences, opinions on any given issue...so I'm hardly alone. I also don't know where you get the idea of me just ignoring or dismissing the opinions of others, granted I hardly remember interacting with you often so it's hard to know what you have and haven't seen. But I can assure you that I do no such thing. Also just because I have a preference for one thing does not mean I hate another, a mistake a lot of people make. Gaiders an awesome writer, Wild Hunt was a great game and DAI still has one of my favorite dialogue systems... the whole world isn't black and white. As far as Anthem is concerned...again dealing with my own preferences and experiences so it's not dishonest. When I get to Anthem I will judge it for its merits or lack of them. If i don't like it then so what... I've liked all BWs seven other games including quite probably my two favorite games of all time. IMO if you state that BioWare as a company has not delivered a low quality game to date, while knowing that Anthem has received critical and popular disapproval, your claim is conditional on the fact that you haven’t played Anthem and therefore cannot comment on it. I don’t think it’s honest to make a statement that BioWare has only released quality products with the caveat that you haven’t played the most recent one which is known to be very controversial and divisive. Your entire argument as to the quality of recent BioWare games is undermined by your purposeful ignoring of Anthem. This is seems petty but in context, if you are willing to ignore the most recent game from the company, which is rumoured to be the source code for DA4 and have the same live service elements to it, then your optimism for DA4 is based on nothing. Yes DA4 will have single player mode, but will it be based on online-always servers? Why is there optimism for the live service model when Anthem has been an egregious example of how live service doesn’t work? Why does Anthem provide confidence that DA4 will be a success?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 21:45:42 GMT
I’m sorry but how do you qualify Weekes being a better writer, at least in context of DA? Gaider world built the series from its inception and wrote major characters and plots for the entire three games. Weekes wrote characters in DAI and was lead writer on Trespasser. I’m not saying Weekes is a bad writer, Tuchanka was a highlight of ME3. But claiming he’s a better writer than Gaider smacks of revisionist history to justify optimism for the future, and is frankly disrespectful to what came before. Your tactic in defending BioWare/Dragon Age often boils down to “I don’t recognise a specific criticism and therefor don’t find it valid” Have you played Anthem? If so, you honestly consider it a quality product? If not, you don’t think it’s dishonest to claim Bioware hasn’t released lesser quality products, you just haven’t purchased them? Dude, Bioware has been spiraling down since MEA and many people here wont admit it. People just keep coming up with ways to defend Bioware it is nearly comical. People swore up and down that MEA would get SP DLC. Then when it was confirmed no SP dlc was coming....these same people took the revisionist approach and tried to explain that no SP dlc wasnt the result of review scores/fan criticism but because EA/Bioware never really planned on SP DLC from the get go. People here swore up and down that Anthem would not repeat the mistakes of MEA because the "A team" was working on Anthem versus MEA which had an upstart "B team". People here explained how Anthem will have more focused time im development and thus the end product would be great. Then when Anthem came out and got hammered by fans and critics...people here tried to be revisionist and claim that Anthem really didn't have the long development time they thought it had which contributed to the end quality. Now here we are with DA4 and these SAME people are expecting DA4 to be a success just like they thought with MEA and Anthem. These SAME people are using some of the SAME excuses such as...."Better team working on the game..." or "More time in development" among many others. What people forget is that we are ALREADY seeing some of the same mistakes made with DA4 that was made with Anthem and MEA and that is the changing in scope for the game mid development. We already know that there was a concept of DA4 that was already well into development which got canned so the entire project was essentially rebooted to focus more on a live service like Anthem. Please read: www.n3rdabl3.com/2019/04/dragon-age-4-reboot/?ampPeople like colfey wants to use the excuse of "Well I just go off my own opinions and taste" as an out for not facing the facts. Using his example, just a certain car made by ABC Company may get bad gas mileage than other cars by other companies and even bad gas mileage than other cars made by ABC Company in the past. Because gas mileage isnt important to me and/or I am satisfied with the gas mileage of this car by ABC Company.....that in no way means that the car made by ABC Company does not produce cars with poor gas mileage...it just means that I am either ignoring it or not moved by it. Again, I may not be cold/uncomfortable with going outside to check my main in 20 degrees weather with just shorts, tshirt and flip flops. However that does not eliminate the fact that 20 degrees is indeed cold weather and not weather ideal to be wearing shorts, flip flops and tshirts. BioWare was my favourite developer. The DA series was one of my favourite game series. I understand as a fan the concern that future games won’t be single player based, or be less enjoyable because of micro transactions etc. I want to be optimistic because DA has the most veterans still remaining to work on it and I want more games in Thedas. But I can’t wilfully ignore concerning trends within BioWare that erode my confidence in DA4. I will not pretend I’m not concerned just because I love Dragon Age. I won’t bury my head in the sander because I want the best outcome. I do do find it interesting that many of the current BioWare supporters have more recently played BioWare games. Many posters who have absolute faith in the company seem to have started with DAI or ME3 and played the older games afterward. I wonder whether this shows a trend of the audience shift of BioWare games. Not to say that more recent fans are less passionate or involved in BioWare, but that they seem to be more permissive of a change in the direction the company is going in. They seem more keen on MMO style and online always services, willing to put up with micro transactions because “everyone else is doing it” rather than mourning the fact that BioWare is now a trend-chaser and putting in micro transactions to keep up. People who are newer to BioWare never saw the company as a pioneer in games so don’t feel as badly that they are now just trying to maintain status quo.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 25, 2019 21:57:01 GMT
I take a hiatus, come back and find that people are strawmanning others. The game will be fine, the difference is that they've maintained their core writers.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 25, 2019 22:44:16 GMT
No my only tactic is to express my preferences for certain things over others. I have a preference for DA I over Wild Hunt. I have a preference for MEAs dialogue system over DAIs, I prefer Weekes to Gaider. And I think pretty much everyone on these forums states their own preferences, experiences, opinions on any given issue...so I'm hardly alone. I also don't know where you get the idea of me just ignoring or dismissing the opinions of others, granted I hardly remember interacting with you often so it's hard to know what you have and haven't seen. But I can assure you that I do no such thing. Also just because I have a preference for one thing does not mean I hate another, a mistake a lot of people make. Gaiders an awesome writer, Wild Hunt was a great game and DAI still has one of my favorite dialogue systems... the whole world isn't black and white. As far as Anthem is concerned...again dealing with my own preferences and experiences so it's not dishonest. When I get to Anthem I will judge it for its merits or lack of them. If i don't like it then so what... I've liked all BWs seven other games including quite probably my two favorite games of all time. IMO if you state that BioWare as a company has not delivered a low quality game to date, while knowing that Anthem has received critical and popular disapproval, your claim is conditional on the fact that you haven’t played Anthem and therefore cannot comment on it. I don’t think it’s honest to make a statement that BioWare has only released quality products with the caveat that you haven’t played the most recent one which is known to be very controversial and divisive. Your entire argument as to the quality of recent BioWare games is undermined by your purposeful ignoring of Anthem. This is seems petty but in context, if you are willing to ignore the most recent game from the company, which is rumoured to be the source code for DA4 and have the same live service elements to it, then your optimism for DA4 is based on nothing. Yes DA4 will have single player mode, but will it be based on online-always servers? Why is there optimism for the live service model when Anthem has been an egregious example of how live service doesn’t work? Why does Anthem provide confidence that DA4 will be a success? No I cannot comment on it because I've barely played it. I'm not ignoring it I just cannot form a solid opinion without playing it. Just like I cannot have an opinion on a movie I haven't seen or a book I haven't read. Now I can say something like "it seems like it's not a good game" I try and be precise on my language. As far as live service is concerned. A. BioWare has already, maybe, screwed the pooch once, they should learn from it. B. There is a lot of confusion on what LS games are. C. Whatever form they take I am confident that we'll have a deep, meaty, SP campaign with great RP, great combat, and maybe great side quests.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 23:52:49 GMT
IMO if you state that BioWare as a company has not delivered a low quality game to date, while knowing that Anthem has received critical and popular disapproval, your claim is conditional on the fact that you haven’t played Anthem and therefore cannot comment on it. I don’t think it’s honest to make a statement that BioWare has only released quality products with the caveat that you haven’t played the most recent one which is known to be very controversial and divisive. Your entire argument as to the quality of recent BioWare games is undermined by your purposeful ignoring of Anthem. This is seems petty but in context, if you are willing to ignore the most recent game from the company, which is rumoured to be the source code for DA4 and have the same live service elements to it, then your optimism for DA4 is based on nothing. Yes DA4 will have single player mode, but will it be based on online-always servers? Why is there optimism for the live service model when Anthem has been an egregious example of how live service doesn’t work? Why does Anthem provide confidence that DA4 will be a success? No I cannot comment on it because I've barely played it. I'm not ignoring it I just cannot form a solid opinion without playing it. Just like I cannot have an opinion on a movie I haven't seen or a book I haven't read. Now I can say something like "it seems like it's not a good game" I try and be precise on my language. As far as live service is concerned. A. BioWare has already, maybe, screwed the pooch once, they should learn from it. B. There is a lot of confusion on what LS games are. C. Whatever form they take I am confident that we'll have a deep, meaty, SP campaign with great RP, great combat, and maybe great side quests. I have to give you props for responding to criticism and giving thoughtful responses. I don’t agree with you but I respect your stance on BioWare’s current position. I think we will have to agree to disagree as our views on BioWare won’t coincide before we get more information about DA4. I do thank you for replying in good faith, that’s better than I would have done.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 26, 2019 0:17:13 GMT
No I cannot comment on it because I've barely played it. I'm not ignoring it I just cannot form a solid opinion without playing it. Just like I cannot have an opinion on a movie I haven't seen or a book I haven't read. Now I can say something like "it seems like it's not a good game" I try and be precise on my language. As far as live service is concerned. A. BioWare has already, maybe, screwed the pooch once, they should learn from it. B. There is a lot of confusion on what LS games are. C. Whatever form they take I am confident that we'll have a deep, meaty, SP campaign with great RP, great combat, and maybe great side quests. I have to give you props for responding to criticism and giving thoughtful responses. I don’t agree with you but I respect your stance on BioWare’s current position. I think we will have to agree to disagree as our views on BioWare won’t coincide before we get more information about DA4. I do thank you for replying in good faith, that’s better than I would have done. don't mistake me. There are a few things I'm worried about. One version of LS they can do might screw over the companions and i'm worried they'll butcher Solas just like they did TIM. But I am confident I will like the game and consider it 60 + dollars well spent considering bioware is currently 7/7 with that goal.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Aug 26, 2019 2:30:53 GMT
I do do find it interesting that many of the current BioWare supporters have more recently played BioWare games. Many posters who have absolute faith in the company seem to have started with DAI or ME3 and played the older games afterward. Not all of us! I've been around since the first Baldur's Gate and have played everything since except that one Sonic game and Anthem. I'm pretty chipper about DA4.
Over the decades BioWare have made bad and disappointing games, but they've also released bad games and then turned around and made good ones. No way of knowing yet which DA4 will be, but I've loved the series so far so I'm willing to give it a chance.
(My views on this are doubtless shaped by enjoying BioWare's recent games a lot more than some of their middle-period ones. Andromeda wasn't perfect but I would definitely take it over the NWN OC or Jade Empire. Hell, I even found it less personally disappointing than Throne of Bhaal.)
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Post by CHRrOME on Aug 26, 2019 3:10:09 GMT
Personally I don't care for "turn arounds" Get it done at release or fuck off. You're getting all full $60 at launch, so if the game isn't completed, then it's a scam. I'm done with that shit, and I'm sick of this industry putting out half assed games with the excuse of "it will get better!" and so many people buying into that. I don't want to ever see another Anthem or F76. Pre orders are obviously a no-no especially thinking about EA, but more so because I've been burned with MEA, and I've learned my lesson for this whole industry.
I feel like I've been here before, maybe because I have. I can be a naysayer or be hopeful. But the truth is, I'm waiting for all the reviews in the world after the game launches (if it launches) and then we'll see. I truly hope they change things around for the best within the Studio/s, but I already started disliking Bioware after their idea of Anthem, whatever it was supposed to be. This isn't the Bioware I once loved.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 26, 2019 3:49:18 GMT
I myself started with ME 2 as my first BioWare game. Kinda hard to do when they were on XBox (which I couldn't really afford) and PC (which at the time I had no interest of playing) but with EA buying Bio I got the chance to play ME 2 and it hooked me. Unpopular opinion time I think they have actualy generally gotten better since EA bought them. ME 1 and DAO are my two least favorite (though still liked) games in their respective franchises. Other than some of the issues with ME 3 and especially with the original endings they just keep getting better...for me.
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Post by CHRrOME on Aug 26, 2019 17:30:16 GMT
I myself started with ME 2 as my first BioWare game. Kinda hard to do when they were on XBox (which I couldn't really afford) and PC (which at the time I had no interest of playing) but with EA buying Bio I got the chance to play ME 2 and it hooked me. Unpopular opinion time I think they have actualy generally gotten better since EA bought them. ME 1 and DAO are my two least favorite (though still liked) games in their respective franchises. Other than some of the issues with ME 3 and especially with the original endings they just keep getting better...for me. Tried to play KOTOR but it did weird things to my computer so I had to stop on Dantoine. Perhaps you played them too late. My first Bio game was DA:O. And it was the first true RPG I ever played (ever since then felt in love with the genre), I can't remember when I played it, perhaps was 2011. DA:O hasn't aged very well, ME1 graphics are still edible, but the gameplay isn't. Even back then it was nothing to write home about, DA:O's gameplay on the other hand I think it still holds its own, because the game know what it is, unlike Inquisition that had a personality crisis in the gameplay department, quite possible remnants of the MMO idea they tried to go for at first. As for ME, I started with ME2 first, simply because "it looked pretty" . But I could hardly understand who all these characters were and why should I care for this or that, but I was genuinely intrigued after the 1st PT. So I went for ME1 and that's when the lights turned on.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 26, 2019 18:27:51 GMT
I myself started with ME 2 as my first BioWare game. Kinda hard to do when they were on XBox (which I couldn't really afford) and PC (which at the time I had no interest of playing) but with EA buying Bio I got the chance to play ME 2 and it hooked me. Unpopular opinion time I think they have actualy generally gotten better since EA bought them. ME 1 and DAO are my two least favorite (though still liked) games in their respective franchises. Other than some of the issues with ME 3 and especially with the original endings they just keep getting better...for me. Tried to play KOTOR but it did weird things to my computer so I had to stop on Dantoine. Perhaps you played them too late. My first Bio game was DA:O. And it was the first true RPG I ever played (ever since then felt in love with the genre), I can't remember when I played it, perhaps was 2011. DA:O hasn't aged very well, ME1 graphics are still edible, but the gameplay isn't. Even back then it was nothing to write home about, DA:O's gameplay on the other hand I think it still holds its own, because the game know what it is, unlike Inquisition that had a personality crisis in the gameplay department, quite possible remnants of the MMO idea they tried to go for at first. As for ME, I started with ME2 first, simply because "it looked pretty" . But I could hardly understand who all these characters were and why should I care for this or that, but I was genuinely intrigued after the 1st PT. So I went for ME1 and that's when the lights turned on. probably. I found DAOs combat super clunky and I prefer voiced protagonists to non voiced ones. It had a great story but also (imo) Bios weakest cast. As far as Inquisition whatever its identity crisis may or may not have been I thought it had the best combat of the series.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 27, 2019 13:08:11 GMT
All of this is subjective ultimately, and offers no real context for factual discourse other than speculation and personal opinion. At best we can have educated guesses as to "what it all can mean" but we won't know for sure until it's in our hands to play. It will always be an impasse with no real resolution.
Plus honestly, you want low quality, play Shattered Steel or MDK 2. It's been my joke for years regarding BioWare's catalogue, even though they are not bad games. Though personally I am not a fan of either, as subjective as that stance is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 21:57:17 GMT
All of this is subjective ultimately, and offers no real context for factual discourse other than speculation and personal opinion. At best we can have educated guesses as to "what it all can mean" but we won't know for sure until it's in our hands to play. It will always be an impasse with no real resolution. Plus honestly, you want low quality, play Shattered Steel or MDK 2. It's been my joke for years regarding BioWare's catalogue, even though they are not bad games. Though personally I am not a fan of either, as subjective as that stance is. ...yeeeeees? Like everything else discussed on these forums this is all subjective and only a means for expressing posters’ opinions. I don’t understand the urge for people to come into a topic and remind everyone that it’s speculation until the game comes out and it’s not worth discussing. Uh, we probably have years to wait for DA4 to come out. And not a lot of news to salivate over. It’s natural that people are going to want to discuss any form of news/rumour that comes out. Especially those posters not interested in Anthem and focused on DA. This is is the DA4 section, any discussion involving the future of DA is valid, even if it’s speculation and sharing our opinions. I prefer having speculation than not having any discussion for another year until more solid content is revealed. Otherwise I wouldn’t be on this forum until substantive marketing has launched.
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