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Post by Verro on Dec 20, 2016 22:17:26 GMT
Well if we're going to go off into Super Hero territory.
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Post by Lavochkin on Dec 20, 2016 22:28:27 GMT
Wasn't she all smoochie smoochie with Baird? Baird's game is that tight,yes. She showed some initial resistance early on, but she couldn't deny what her heart was telling her forever.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 20, 2016 22:31:14 GMT
Wasn't she all smoochie smoochie with Baird? Baird's game is that tight Heh.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 20, 2016 22:44:53 GMT
All the women in Firefly were very strong Delenn and Ivanova in Babylon 5 All of B5's women were well written and not to be trifled with in their own way I think. Catherine Sakai, Talia Winters, Lyta Alexander, Na'Toth. Firefly is also a good example. Babylon 5's Ivanova was wonderful. I'll never forget that sex scene
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Post by o Ventus on Dec 20, 2016 22:59:19 GMT
Wasn't she all smoochie smoochie with Baird? In Gears of War 4, yes.
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Post by Gwydden on Dec 21, 2016 4:10:11 GMT
<not pictured above: strong woman who don't need no man:> can't think of one. maybe cause Hollywood doesn't think people will go see it otherwise. As Guns n' Roses have taught us, everybody needs someone. Since about half of the world population is male, I expect all women will need a man at some point, just like all men are bound to need a woman at some point. If by "needing no man" you mean being single, I object to the increasingly common defamation of partnered people as somehow less independent than their single counterparts. You don't need a boyfriend to be utterly dependent on someone else, and if that is how one's romantic relationship goes it is pretty messed up anyway. As far as I'm concerned, in the often repeated cliche "strong female character" the first two words are adjectives modifying the third one. It does not refer to a character who is a strong female, but to a strong e.g. well-written character who happens to be female. Being a "strong female character" has therefore nothing to do with being a badass, which is what a Hollywood executive comes up with when he (or she; laziness knows no bounds) is being particularly uncreative. I find Eve from Paradise Lost a much stronger character than Katniss and the former was written by an egocentric misogynist. Expecting "strong female characters," in the sense everyone seems to be using the term these days, is a disservice as it denies them the nuance of their male counterparts. IMOSHO, of course.
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Post by mybudgee on Dec 21, 2016 8:42:38 GMT
I have always thought that Anne Parillaud played out a script that was a great balance for a female protagonist. It seems to me there is a big difference in books and movies or alternate media, especially in the US. US protagonists tend to be very pretty instead of fitting into the norm or average for appearance and that is bound to skew the overall weighting of a role.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 13:23:14 GMT
Is it possible for any company to produce a strong female lead who doesn't derive outcry from either side (feminists/everyone else, etc)? For example a lot of people liked Lightning, but a lot of people disliked her because they thought she was a Cloud rip-off. A lot of people liked Lara Croft, but I know a lot of people said she was catering to sexists, etc because of her looks. So is it possible to create a strong (personality and physically-wise) female lead that will not elicit outrage from either point of view? I think Aqua from Kingdom Hearts is a good example imho, I haven't seen too many negative criticisms about her from either POV so she seems to be a pretty popular female lead. No, a single person can never exemplify every strong woman out there, so someone will always dislike one or another. Just like with men being a single protagonist, strong or weak. That's an inherent problem not with the audience, but with the genre. You have to buy into playing this particular character.
In the movies, there is also just not as many female characters as there are males, so the opinions and interest unnecessary focuses on that usually just one female lead, so yeah, people over-do it in terms of emotional response to Leia or Rey.
For example, a strong woman I want to play is Trinity (and I overall love it how women are in Matrix), only I would like her to have a specific Eurasian look I find attractive. I doubt my desires will find a lot of traction.
So, that is why I love BioWARE games, that allow a significant user input into the protagonist.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Dec 21, 2016 23:18:04 GMT
Context (if you care): Ivanova is trying to get that alien to sign on to the station and do business with them. The alien has his head up his own ass and misunderstands other cultures because he considers them inferior. His race also seals business deals with sex. So taking advantage of his utter lack of knowledge Ivanova tricks him into "doing it Earth style" by implying he couldn't handle it. Then that happens and the alien, not wanting to let on that he had no idea what just happened, rolls with it and the deal is done. It's a little awkward. It's also hysterical.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 23:27:54 GMT
I saw the outcry about Tracer yesterday. It hurts me that Jonathan Mcdoucheface thinks lesbian characters can't be sexy and lesbian without catering to the 'Male Gaze'
I'm like chill, this isn't for you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 8:04:50 GMT
I saw the outcry about Tracer yesterday. It hurts me that Jonathan Mcdoucheface thinks lesbian characters can't be sexy and lesbian without catering to the 'Male Gaze' I'm like chill, this isn't for you. Literally just googled Tracer (dont play Overwatch had no idea who she was) and came acrossss Some people are silly
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 22, 2016 8:23:57 GMT
I saw the outcry about Tracer yesterday. It hurts me that Jonathan Mcdoucheface thinks lesbian characters can't be sexy and lesbian without catering to the 'Male Gaze' I'm like chill, this isn't for you. Blizzard has been going down the tubes for ages.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 18:10:36 GMT
I don't know if anyone brought up Firefly yet, but that was another sci-fi show where I liked what saw organic balance of male and female cast members as well as their roles in the story. It did not really force the one female lead into the spot-light making her the male lead's way too obvious LI, they were all different, interesting, and had plenty of dialogue. For complete self-indulgence, I admit that watching a small sci-fi show Killjoys really flatters a female in me. On the other hand, despite almost the entire cast of the Blade and Soul being female, the chainmail bikini aesthetics and exaggerated blossoms bothered me, and I could not take it as flattering, but I felt that I wondered in someone else's wish-fulfillment, and it was embarrassing. I guess, I'd just want to see more female characters overall, and among them the ones I can point to and say: "Yeah, I'd like to transform into that in my dreams!" I absolutely view a great lovestory as a part of such a fantasy, but making all men swoon over my dream character is not a part of it. Just one very special one. So, I do not buy into the strong=needs no one/no man idea. For me, what I want to see is does not need someone else to prop and drag her or him through life, and I would equally look for that quality in either male or a female lead. High maintenance attire and either excessive nakedness or an uber-tight black substitute for it, automatically makes me suspect that a character is under cover. I do remember wanting to apply makeup and dress prettily back when I was very young, but all those occasions to achieve glamor as best I could has never really amounted to anything but extreme boredom. So, as I matured I came to associate fun times and romance with comfortable attire, sincerity, outdoors and a small company where nobody needs to show off or paint their faces. And, well, I have a vague idea of just how much time and efforts a truly beautiful look (no matter how "natural" it appears to be) consumes and living in the world of extreme time deficit, I think how it is time that will not be spent on stuff that matters way, way more to me in men and women.
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 22, 2016 22:25:31 GMT
A strong female protag better know her way around the kitchen.
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Post by Verro on Dec 23, 2016 18:25:45 GMT
A strong female protag better know her way around the kitchen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 18:47:23 GMT
A strong female protag better know her way around the kitchen. Yep, I can't wait for a movie or a game that has that one strong woman who does not comply to the "OMG, she can't cook, she is that strong!!!" trope. I hope she uses a Strong Woman's Cookbook with dishes like "Mortal Enemy" Liver with Onions, Coq au Win, Sous Diva, Man-eater Chill! ...etc
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Post by o Ventus on Dec 23, 2016 19:50:58 GMT
I saw the outcry about Tracer yesterday. It hurts me that Jonathan Mcdoucheface thinks lesbian characters can't be sexy and lesbian without catering to the 'Male Gaze' I'm like chill, this isn't for you. I'm not sure what's worse: Josh Tosh McGosh throwing a temper tantrum about male gaze, or the absolutely fucking ridiculous amount of virtue signaling from people screaming "we love gay people, please give us good boy progressive points! Look at those homophobic straight men with their mountains of lesbian Tracer porn, look at how they hate gays!"
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 24, 2016 0:10:21 GMT
I saw the outcry about Tracer yesterday. It hurts me that Jonathan Mcdoucheface thinks lesbian characters can't be sexy and lesbian without catering to the 'Male Gaze' I'm like chill, this isn't for you. I'm not sure what's worse: Josh Tosh McGosh throwing a temper tantrum about male gaze, or the absolutely fucking ridiculous amount of virtue signaling from people screaming "we love gay people, please give us good boy progressive points! Look at those homophobic straight men with their mountains of lesbian Tracer porn, look at how they hate gays!" If they hated gays why would they have any amount of Lesbian porn? I have met folks who erm...to put it bluntly hate gay people. True hate mind you, not petty disgust like my mother who views as something for God to judge them for and not her. The types who would have no problem at with them simply ceasing to exist rather then draw breath. They do not have anything that reminds them of that hatred because they don't need motivation or reminder, because its hate, it never fades or goes away. Then again SJWs are fucking morons who wouldn't know true bigotry if the Black Panthers were car bombing people. My point is this I suppose, hate is a very personal, intimate thing. Those who possess it have no need to display it unless if it suits their purpose.
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Post by o Ventus on Dec 24, 2016 2:06:20 GMT
I'm not sure what's worse: Josh Tosh McGosh throwing a temper tantrum about male gaze, or the absolutely fucking ridiculous amount of virtue signaling from people screaming "we love gay people, please give us good boy progressive points! Look at those homophobic straight men with their mountains of lesbian Tracer porn, look at how they hate gays!" If they hated gays why would they have any amount of Lesbian porn? I have met folks who erm...to put it bluntly hate gay people. True hate mind you, not petty disgust like my mother who views as something for God to judge them for and not her. The types who would have no problem at with them simply ceasing to exist rather then draw breath. They do not have anything that reminds them of that hatred because they don't need motivation or reminder, because its hate, it never fades or goes away. Then again SJWs are fucking morons who wouldn't know true bigotry if the Black Panthers were car bombing people. My point is this I suppose, hate is a very personal, intimate thing. Those who possess it have no need to display it unless if it suits their purpose. Having gay/lesbian porn but somehow also hating gay/lesbian people is the joke. They/we don't hate gay people, but the dipshits say that we do.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 24, 2016 2:08:14 GMT
If they hated gays why would they have any amount of Lesbian porn? I have met folks who erm...to put it bluntly hate gay people. True hate mind you, not petty disgust like my mother who views as something for God to judge them for and not her. The types who would have no problem at with them simply ceasing to exist rather then draw breath. They do not have anything that reminds them of that hatred because they don't need motivation or reminder, because its hate, it never fades or goes away. Then again SJWs are fucking morons who wouldn't know true bigotry if the Black Panthers were car bombing people. My point is this I suppose, hate is a very personal, intimate thing. Those who possess it have no need to display it unless if it suits their purpose. Having gay/lesbian porn but somehow also hating gay/lesbian people is the joke. They/we don't hate gay people, but the dipshits say that we do. MAGA?
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Post by o Ventus on Dec 24, 2016 2:09:43 GMT
Having gay/lesbian porn but somehow also hating gay/lesbian people is the joke. They/we don't hate gay people, but the dipshits say that we do. MAGA? I don't see hwo that has anything to do with what I said, but sure.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 24, 2016 2:14:49 GMT
I don't see hwo that has anything to do with what I said, but sure. No, I meant it as sort of a poke at the whole: This is why Trump won logic thing. It was a joke.
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Post by mybudgee on Dec 24, 2016 19:11:20 GMT
I'm not sure what's worse: Josh Tosh McGosh throwing a temper tantrum about male gaze, or the absolutely fucking ridiculous amount of virtue signaling from people screaming "we love gay people, please give us good boy progressive points! Look at those homophobic straight men with their mountains of lesbian Tracer porn, look at how they hate gays!" If they hated gays why would they have any amount of Lesbian porn? I have met folks who erm...to put it bluntly hate gay people. True hate mind you, not petty disgust like my mother who views as something for God to judge them for and not her. The types who would have no problem at with them simply ceasing to exist rather then draw breath. They do not have anything that reminds them of that hatred because they don't need motivation or reminder, because its hate, it never fades or goes away.
Then again SJWs are fucking morons who wouldn't know true bigotry if the Black Panthers were car bombing people. My point is this I suppose, hate is a very personal, intimate thing. Those who possess it have no need to display it unless if it suits their purpose.Implications highly unpleasant
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 24, 2016 20:26:38 GMT
If they hated gays why would they have any amount of Lesbian porn? I have met folks who erm...to put it bluntly hate gay people. True hate mind you, not petty disgust like my mother who views as something for God to judge them for and not her. The types who would have no problem at with them simply ceasing to exist rather then draw breath. They do not have anything that reminds them of that hatred because they don't need motivation or reminder, because its hate, it never fades or goes away.
Then again SJWs are fucking morons who wouldn't know true bigotry if the Black Panthers were car bombing people. My point is this I suppose, hate is a very personal, intimate thing. Those who possess it have no need to display it unless if it suits their purpose.Implications highly unpleasant You make light of it?
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