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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2017 18:36:15 GMT
Two things: Would a Tranquil submit information about a crime they had knowledge of without someone directly asking them? Second, considering that the Seekers ritual leads to accidental Tranquil as an acceptable risk, and that this has also led to intentionally using the ritual to make non consensual Tranquil, should we really be encouraging Cassandra to re start the order?Yes, good question: depend on that this new Seeker order would be different as old, or cuntinue the old Seeker order's practices abuse with tranquility and informations etc. Their abilities seems good against the really dangerous mage criminals, without lyrium addiction, and for the freedom of mages need an effective police (beside the education and training), 1. because the rogue mages can be really dangerous, 2. because to reassure people.
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Post by phoray on Jan 3, 2017 21:32:35 GMT
Alrik thought that he could get away with raping Maria? if only he made her Tranquil. Which leads me to believe that unless directly asked, and if it does not contradict a higher ranked order? they may hide crimes. At the minimum, it is implied that they would not bring up crimes against themselves, or Alrik would never have been confident of his plan. There was a Tranquil woman being tortured by demons in the Fereldan Circle Tower in Origins. She thanks the Warden after they clear the room of the demons. She says, "Thank you. That was unpleasant." TORTURE BY DEMONS was unpleasant? So, what is a bit of a beating? what is rape? What is murder of that person over there? to a tranquil?
Regarding the way I interpreted Avexis statement, "I no longer speak to Dragons" spoke to me quite differently than you. Her happiness is irrelevant, she's not even capable of that emotion any longer. The Goal, which was the only thing that matters now that she's Tranquil, is that she is not doing the thing people didn't want her to do.
Regarding the Tranquil in Asunder, I always thought it was the length of time being Tranquil that specified how extreme their emotions would be? He's been Tranquil for quite a while, and I thought there was supporting dialogue in the book, but it's been 5 months since I read it. Thing is, it's all speculation when Pharamond is the only source of a long term Tranquil being cured. Seekers who attract a Faith Spirit may literally have only been Tranquil a month, a week, a day. No mention of extreme emotions are mentioned by Cass, just that strong joy that lasted, what, the day? a week?
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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2017 21:54:25 GMT
Where did you read Avexis chose that? Because I had assumed it was forced on her for being too valuable a resource that could be controlled by others. Well... I guess I'm making assumptions too. When Giselle asks about her being made tranquil I interpreted her response about no longer talking to dragons to indicate that it was something she had wanted to be rid of by becoming tranquil, after whatever those blood rituals did to her head. EDIT:Rechecked the dialogue. Specifically Giselle asks her if she is happy as a tranquil, to which Avexis responds that "I no longer talk to dragons." I took this to mean that she had wanted to be rid of her connection to dragons and considered tranquility an improvement, indicating that it was a source of torment for her, thus suggesting she sought it out herself. I do not really believe in it, that anyone would choose that. Avexis was in a Chantry-Circle, where her ability was a curse* (remember the praying mage girl in the Ferelden Circle), and probably no one was able to train her. She had NO choice. She was ten-years old child! Who can believe, that a ten years, frightened child able to decide? I don't think so. So: they considered Avexis dangerous, and tranquilized her. No less and no more. The rest is simply hypocritical bullshit (true, a nice looking bullshit). Feynriel had choice (if Hawke let him to choose). No matter, what Avexis said to Giselle AFTER the rite, all tranquil seems "satisfied"... and Giselle should have known that. ____ *Yes, I know: the Chantry's doctrines don't say specifically, that the magic is a curse, but the Chantry treat mages as cursed things.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Jan 3, 2017 21:57:59 GMT
To be honest, I don't believe the writers know exactly what they mean here. Apparently it would seem that the Rite to create a Seeker pre-dated the Rite of Tranquility on mages and that is where the Seekers/Templars got their idea for the latter from. Now the Rite as performed on mages requires the use of a lyrium brand to cut them off from the Fade. The Seeker rite does not but merely the person seemingly cutting themselves off from their emotions through year long meditation. To reverse the Rite in either a mage or a Seeker requires a spirit to touch their mind. However, you would think that the mage would still have the physical brand that prevented them from connecting with the Fade, so it would be temporary, as it was with Karl, and as soon as the spirit withdrew from contact, the barrier would be restored. Yet apparently this is not the case. Once the spirit touches the mind, the mage is fully restored. Which begs the question, why didn't that happen with Karl? Now the Seeker would appear to be very similar to a Spirit Warrior in the way they acquire their powers. A Spirit Warrior is a non-mage who does a deal with a spirit who gives them specific powers tied to the Fade in return for giving them a personal view of the world. The spirit is benevolent, like those which aid spirit healers, but Templars do not tend to recognised the difference and regard Spirit Warriors as apostates even though they aren't mages because the sort of powers they get look very like magic. The sort of powers that Cassandra claims a Seeker can do also seem very like magic, in fact very like blood magic, but instead of boiling blood in their target's veins, they boil the lyrium in the mages blood. So it does seem to have a magical component. The contact with the spirit also protects them from possession and mind control, so it would seem that the spirit never really loses contact with their mind. So, much as with the phylactery, it would seem that the Seekers are using a type of spirit magic to give themselves powers that they condemn in others. It does seem odd that they ever bothered with making soldiers imbibe lyrium when you can protect them far better via the Seeker method and it does not have the addictive problems and deterioration of the mind associated with lyrium. Presumably it is the year long meditation that is the sticking point; it is quicker just to make the soldier swig some lyrium, plus of course is was suspected by Alistair back in DAO that the lyrium was a convenient way for the Chantry to control Templars, a hold that they did not have over Seekers.Templars generally use lyrium to access their powers. But what about Alistair who doesn't use lyrium? What is the source of his powers? Is he, perhaps, a mage without knowing it?
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Post by phoray on Jan 3, 2017 22:05:30 GMT
deadlydwarfEarlier in the thread, someone said in the Comic Book they retconned that. He takes Lyrium to use his powers.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Jan 3, 2017 22:29:36 GMT
deadlydwarf Earlier in the thread, someone said in the Comic Book they retconned that. He takes Lyrium to use his powers. But in Origins, he makes the claim that he doesn't use lyrium? I guess the lore wasn't quite mature in Origins. If you don't need lyrium to be a Templar, then any person should be able to counter mages with proper training.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2017 22:35:35 GMT
deadlydwarf Earlier in the thread, someone said in the Comic Book they retconned that. He takes Lyrium to use his powers. But in Origins, he makes the claim that he doesn't use lyrium? I guess the lore wasn't quite mature in Origins. If you don't need lyrium to be a Templar, then any person should be able to counter mages with proper training. Probably the lyrium just amplify the abilities (and the Chantry needs puppets, more puppets! – or: the writers are not consistent... surprise!)
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 4, 2017 0:09:38 GMT
Well... I guess I'm making assumptions too. When Giselle asks about her being made tranquil I interpreted her response about no longer talking to dragons to indicate that it was something she had wanted to be rid of by becoming tranquil, after whatever those blood rituals did to her head. EDIT:Rechecked the dialogue. Specifically Giselle asks her if she is happy as a tranquil, to which Avexis responds that "I no longer talk to dragons." I took this to mean that she had wanted to be rid of her connection to dragons and considered tranquility an improvement, indicating that it was a source of torment for her, thus suggesting she sought it out herself. I do not really believe in it, that anyone would choose that. Avexis was in a Chantry-Circle, where her ability was a curse* (remember the praying mage girl in the Ferelden Circle), and probably no one was able to train her. She had NO choice. She was ten-years old child! Who can believe, that a ten years, frightened child able to decide? I don't think so. So: they considered Avexis dangerous, and tranquilized her. No less and no more. The rest is simply hypocritical bullshit (true, a nice looking bullshit). Feynriel had choice (if Hawke let him to choose). No matter, what Avexis said to Giselle AFTER the rite, all tranquil seems "satisfied"... and Giselle should have known that. ____ *Yes, I know: the Chantry's doctrines don't say specifically, that the magic is a curse, but the Chantry treat mages as cursed things. We don't know she was made Tranquil as a child, remember there's a twenty year gap between now and when we last saw her. Still, I don't find it so outrageous that she would ultimately make that choice. As horrible as tranquility is, silence might seem preferable to someone who just wants the voices to stop. Psychotic blood mages used Avexis' mind as a playground and linked her to immensely powerful and ferocious creatures, a link that evidently did not go away. I can see how that could drive her to choose tranquility.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 4, 2017 0:12:03 GMT
deadlydwarf Earlier in the thread, someone said in the Comic Book they retconned that. He takes Lyrium to use his powers. But in Origins, he makes the claim that he doesn't use lyrium? I guess the lore wasn't quite mature in Origins. If you don't need lyrium to be a Templar, then any person should be able to counter mages with proper training. I'm pretty sure Gaider confirmed that Alistair was wrong and they put that line in because they had to scrub an addiction mechanic that was supposed to be in the game.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 4, 2017 0:27:11 GMT
I do not really believe in it, that anyone would choose that. Avexis was in a Chantry-Circle, where her ability was a curse* (remember the praying mage girl in the Ferelden Circle), and probably no one was able to train her. She had NO choice. She was ten-years old child! Who can believe, that a ten years, frightened child able to decide? I don't think so. So: they considered Avexis dangerous, and tranquilized her. No less and no more. The rest is simply hypocritical bullshit (true, a nice looking bullshit). Feynriel had choice (if Hawke let him to choose). No matter, what Avexis said to Giselle AFTER the rite, all tranquil seems "satisfied"... and Giselle should have known that. ____ *Yes, I know: the Chantry's doctrines don't say specifically, that the magic is a curse, but the Chantry treat mages as cursed things. We don't know she was made Tranquil as a child, remember there's a twenty year gap between now and when we last saw her. Still, I don't find it so outrageous that she would ultimately make that choice. As horrible as tranquility is, silence might seem preferable to someone who just wants the voices to stop. Psychotic blood mages used Avexis' mind as a playground and linked her to immensely powerful and ferocious creatures, a link that evidently did not go away. I can see how that could drive her to choose tranquility. I don't saw the story. The blood mages already was dead, when Awexis tranquilized? If yes, then this was the easier solution. In the Circle they don't forced to care from the girl, just tranquilized her, and the problem solved. If the blood mages still tortured her when she tranquilized, maybe this "solution" was not so evil, but probably the death is better. I read, that Giselle asked her, that want to her tranquiliti reversed, she answered, that she don't "want", because that wouldn't "wise". But the tranquils always seems "satisfied", they don't have real free will. This is other mind state, not "real". What a sick idea to ask a Tranquil what s/he want ... If they don't really wanted to reverse, then why not kill her?
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Post by phoray on Jan 4, 2017 1:31:18 GMT
Making a mage Tranquil is a conflict of interest. Why not have free specialized labor over executing them for their crimes? There is an incentive to make someone Tranquil. A victimless crime if the victim never complains.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Jan 4, 2017 2:55:57 GMT
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I really need to stop and smell the roses when I hear NPCs talking. I may run into some noteworthy cameos. It's a pity you can't talk to Avexis.
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Post by phoray on Jan 4, 2017 3:08:12 GMT
Heimdall phoray Wow, I had noticed the female elf Tranquil but missed the conversation between her and Mother Giselle and didn't appreciate she was the little girl in "Dawn of the Seekers." (I didn't realize her name was Avexis; she didn't have any lines in the film. Also, she was blonde in the film.) It's a pity they don't fill out her biography more in the wikia so we would know how she came to be Tranquil. I really need to stop and smell the roses when I hear NPCs talking. I may run into some noteworthy cameos. It's a pity you can't talk to Avexis. People are always having convos with Giselle. They are kind of like little updates about the world of the Game. I think Avexis comes up twice.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 4, 2017 3:46:11 GMT
I wached the Dawn of the Seeker. The story was quite stupid but showed again, that the Circle-system is crappy, and don't protect anything (the evil, dangerous blood mages was outside the Circle, the good, loyal mages was in the Circle) And was good to see, that the Templars do more harm than good. So: Avexis wasn't tranqulised at the end of the story, and she looked happy... (the evil blood mages died) Probably she had nightmares, but no one wanted to help her, and the tranqulising was an easy solution. (Similar "choice", than Feynriel's, if Hawke send him into the Circle: the Templars convinced him, that the tranqulising is the best thing that ever could happen to him, because no one in the Circle tryed to help him.) But: the Knight Commander in the story mentioned, that will never happen, what happened in Kirkwall... But what happened in Kirkwall before 9:22? And who was the Divine in this time? When was Avexis tranquilized? Was funny, that Cassandra's reward was the title: Hero of Orlais, and the Right Hand of Divine, but Galyan, the mage got a thanks, no more, what a surprise...
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Post by Iakus on Jan 4, 2017 16:51:19 GMT
Two things: Would a Tranquil submit information about a crime they had knowledge of without someone directly asking them? Second, considering that the Seekers ritual leads to accidental Tranquil as an acceptable risk, and that this has also led to intentionally using the ritual to make non consensual Tranquil, should we really be encouraging Cassandra to re start the order?Yes, good question: depend on that this new Seeker order would be different as old, or cuntinue the old Seeker order's practices abuse with tranquility and informations etc. Their abilities seems good against the really dangerous mage criminals, without lyrium addiction, and for the freedom of mages need an effective police (beside the education and training), 1. because the rogue mages can be really dangerous, 2. because to reassure people. Their abilities are also useful against rogue Templars, as they can turn the lyrium in their blood against them
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Post by Iakus on Jan 4, 2017 17:05:17 GMT
But: the Knight Commander in the story mentioned, that will never happen, what happened in Kirkwall... But what happened in Kirkwall before 9:22? And who was the Divine in this time? When was Avexis tranquilized? Was funny, that Cassandra's reward was the title: Hero of Orlais, and the Right Hand of Divine, but Galyan, the mage got a thanks, no more, what a surprise... Dunno about 9:22 but in 9 :21 the Viscount of the time Perrin Threnhold basically got into a trade war with Orlais. He ended up trying to expel the Templars from the city after the Divine (Beatrix III) tried using them to pressure the viscount into relenting. After the Knight Commander of the time was arrested and killed, Meredith stormed the keep and arrested the viscount, who was then tried and imprisoned by Grand Cleric Elthinia. Meredith, now Knight-Commander Meredith, appointed Marlowe Dumar the new viscount. dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_History_of_Kirkwall:_Chapter_4dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Knight-Commander_MeredithCassandra was clearly not happy with what happened to the mages that helped her. While they received a great deal more freedom and privileges than most other Circle mages, their efforts and sacrifices were largely forgotten, and she resented this.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 4, 2017 17:25:48 GMT
I wached the Dawn of the Seeker. The story was quite stupid but showed again, that the Circle-system is crappy, and don't protect anything (the evil, dangerous blood mages was outside the Circle, the good, loyal mages was in the Circle) And was good to see, that the Templars do more harm than good. So: Avexis wasn't tranqulised at the end of the story, and she looked happy... (the evil blood mages died) Probably she had nightmares, but no one wanted to help her, and the tranqulising was an easy solution. (Similar "choice", than Feynriel's, if Hawke send him into the Circle: the Templars convinced him, that the tranqulising is the best thing that ever could happen to him, because no one in the Circle tryed to help him.) Forgot about this part: If the Tranquil Giselle talked to is the same one I am thinking of, Giselle does ask her at one point if she would like to have the process reversed if it were possible. She says she would probably prefer not to, as the things she experienced would bring her "discomfort", and while she could survive as she is now, she might not survive if she were to be restored. I think what the blood mages did to her had deeper lasting effects than assumed.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 4, 2017 17:34:35 GMT
I wached the Dawn of the Seeker. The story was quite stupid but showed again, that the Circle-system is crappy, and don't protect anything (the evil, dangerous blood mages was outside the Circle, the good, loyal mages was in the Circle) And was good to see, that the Templars do more harm than good. So: Avexis wasn't tranqulised at the end of the story, and she looked happy... (the evil blood mages died) Probably she had nightmares, but no one wanted to help her, and the tranqulising was an easy solution. (Similar "choice", than Feynriel's, if Hawke send him into the Circle: the Templars convinced him, that the tranqulising is the best thing that ever could happen to him, because no one in the Circle tryed to help him.) Forgot about this part: If the Tranquil Giselle talked to is the same one I am thinking of, Giselle does ask her at one point if she would like to have the process reversed if it were possible. She says she would probably prefer not to, as the things she experienced would bring her "discomfort", and while she could survive as she is now, she might not survive if she were to be restored. I think what the blood mages did to her had deeper lasting effects than assumed. All tranquil is "satisfied", remember Kirkwall at Gallows, some tranquils "pleased" in their status, and think, that their old state was hard. Even Karl looked 'satisfied"... I think, this is irrelevant. The emotions and dreams can be hard, and sometimes causes "discomfort".
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Post by Iakus on Jan 4, 2017 17:42:22 GMT
Forgot about this part: If the Tranquil Giselle talked to is the same one I am thinking of, Giselle does ask her at one point if she would like to have the process reversed if it were possible. She says she would probably prefer not to, as the things she experienced would bring her "discomfort", and while she could survive as she is now, she might not survive if she were to be restored. I think what the blood mages did to her had deeper lasting effects than assumed. All tranquil is "satisfied", remember Kirkwall at Gallows, some tranquils "pleased" in their status, and think, that their old state was hard. Even Karl looked 'satisfied"... I think, this is irrelevant. The emotions and dreams can be hard, and sometimes causes "discomfort". True, but her dispassionate opinion was that she doubted she would be better off, to the point where she seemed inclined to refuse being made whole again. Her opinion could certainly be inaccurate, but recall this isn't just an abstract preference, like "I prefer peace and quiet", she expresses doubt that she would survive with her emotions restored .
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Post by Catilina on Jan 4, 2017 17:50:18 GMT
All tranquil is "satisfied", remember Kirkwall at Gallows, some tranquils "pleased" in their status, and think, that their old state was hard. Even Karl looked 'satisfied"... I think, this is irrelevant. The emotions and dreams can be hard, and sometimes causes "discomfort". True, but her dispassionate opinion was that she doubted she would be better off, to the point where she seemed inclined to refuse being made whole again. Her opinion could certainly be inaccurate, but recall this isn't just an abstract preference, like "I prefer peace and quiet", she expresses doubt that she would survive with her emotions restored .No one knows yet what would be the result. This is an interesting question: They have other mind-state, clearly damaged, and they don't have real free will (as we know what is the free will), but we can justify with this explanation, a forced reversal? (Perhaps need a spirit tuch –Fade?–, for ask them... or?)
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deadlydwarf and phoray, One way I reconciled the Alistair and lyrium issue is that he didn't know he was taking it. I expanded on it in my fanfic, but basically, recruits are given a very weak solution, more to see if they can tolerate and to prepare them for full doses later. They just don't know it. Not every warrior can become a templar, it requires a certain skillset and mental discipline. Of course, by the time of the comics, he's learned a bit more. I figure that part of getting ready is using lyrium, at least in small doses. If I am going to infiltrate an Antivan fortress, I have to assume they have mages and I want every edge I can get. Later, when he knows he's facing a Tevinter magister, he'd be stupid not to continue. I never watched Dawn of the Seeker, but I think I read the wiki about it. Anyway, I am going to assume that any 10-year old girl who is abducted and forced to do something by blood mages is going to have nightmares. Add in the whole dragon thing, that's a lot for a little girl to process. Even if she gains some control against them, those voices are a reminder of terrible events. Nor do I see dragons willingly leaving her in peace. I can see that eventually, under those circumstances, she might choose Tranquility. Even if the templars/First Enchanter/whoever decided for her, in this instance they could see it as a kind of blessing as well as a safety issue.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 4, 2017 18:33:48 GMT
deadlydwarf and phoray , One way I reconciled the Alistair and lyrium issue is that he didn't know he was taking it. I expanded on it in my fanfic, but basically, recruits are given a very weak solution, more to see if they can tolerate and to prepare them for full doses later. They just don't know it. Not every warrior can become a templar, it requires a certain skillset and mental discipline. Of course, by the time of the comics, he's learned a bit more. I figure that part of getting ready is using lyrium, at least in small doses. If I am going to infiltrate an Antivan fortress, I have to assume they have mages and I want every edge I can get. Later, when he knows he's facing a Tevinter magister, he'd be stupid not to continue. I never watched Dawn of the Seeker, but I think I read the wiki about it. Anyway, I am going to assume that any 10-year old girl who is abducted and forced to do something by blood mages is going to have nightmares. Add in the whole dragon thing, that's a lot for a little girl to process. Even if she gains some control against them, those voices are a reminder of terrible events. Nor do I see dragons willingly leaving her in peace. I can see that eventually, under those circumstances, she might choose Tranquility. Even if the templars/First Enchanter/whoever decided for her, in this instance they could see it as a kind of blessing as well as a safety issue. The tranquility's a blessing, as the lobotomy's a blessing. The tranquility is an easy "solution": don't need to care about the person anymore. "Problem solved", and we received a focused, not whiny useful worker. Very practical. (Probably need to tranqulizing all Grey Wardens too, they hear dragons, and have nightmares...)
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Post by Norstaera on Jan 4, 2017 19:06:05 GMT
Whether or not you or I agree with that decision, I am saying that from their perspective, after watching her suffer night after night, day after day, and not being able to help her, they might choose Tranquility over her death. Not because they can gain a useful worker, but they can literally ease her mind without killing her. For the record, do I believe the Chantry's stance that magic is inherently evil? No. Do I believe all templars are heavy-handed bigots or sadists? No. In fact, I believe some are trying to do the right thing for different groups of people while trying not to cause harm - not easy. Do I believe there should be no counters to out-of-control magic or mages who use their magic to hurt others? No. Do I believe that the Rite of Tranquility is a good thing? Can't say that I do. Nor do I believe that performing the Rite is an easy decision for the more conscientious templars, etc. For others, yes, it is an 'easy' fix.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 4, 2017 19:15:17 GMT
Whether or not you or I agree with that decision, I am saying that from their perspective, after watching her suffer night after night, day after day, and not being able to help her, they might choose Tranquility over her death. Not because they can gain a useful worker, but they can literally ease her mind without killing her. For the record, do I believe the Chantry's stance that magic is inherently evil? No. Do I believe all templars are heavy-handed bigots or sadists? No. In fact, I believe some are trying to do the right thing for different groups of people while trying not to cause harm - not easy. Do I believe there should be no counters to out-of-control magic or mages who use their magic to hurt others? No. Do I believe that the Rite of Tranquility is a good thing? Can't say that I do. Nor do I believe that performing the Rite is an easy decision for the more conscientious templars, etc. For others, yes, it is an 'easy' fix. Poor templars, what a hard decision for a little blessing to mages! What about this: "If you really fear us so much, then kill us!" Tranqulity over death? UPDATE:I don't think, that every templar is evil or cruel. I think so many templar choosed his work, because wanted to protect people. Someone among them still believe that. This is not question. But their work sadly not only about this. Rather they are prison guards. I think many templar are disappointed because of this. And the frustration is not a good motive power. I don't think, that the magic isn't dangerous. But the tranquility only a final solution, not a preventive tool, and certainly not a blessing.I don't think, that every Chantry sister and mother is evil, of course not, but the Chantry to change. Basicaly. I dont think, that the Chantry's stance about magic is that this inherently evil or curse. At least according the Chantry's doctrine. BUT: the Chantry don't do anything to disprove it. The Rite of Tranquility is wrong thing, that's not a question, even if the original intention was good, but as a final solution is a good tool, for example in the case of Erimond.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Jan 4, 2017 19:17:16 GMT
deadlydwarf and phoray , One way I reconciled the Alistair and lyrium issue is that he didn't know he was taking it. I expanded on it in my fanfic, but basically, recruits are given a very weak solution, more to see if they can tolerate and to prepare them for full doses later. They just don't know it. Not every warrior can become a templar, it requires a certain skillset and mental discipline. Of course, by the time of the comics, he's learned a bit more. I figure that part of getting ready is using lyrium, at least in small doses. If I am going to infiltrate an Antivan fortress, I have to assume they have mages and I want every edge I can get. Later, when he knows he's facing a Tevinter magister, he'd be stupid not to continue. I never watched Dawn of the Seeker, but I think I read the wiki about it. Anyway, I am going to assume that any 10-year old girl who is abducted and forced to do something by blood mages is going to have nightmares. Add in the whole dragon thing, that's a lot for a little girl to process. Even if she gains some control against them, those voices are a reminder of terrible events. Nor do I see dragons willingly leaving her in peace. I can see that eventually, under those circumstances, she might choose Tranquility. Even if the templars/First Enchanter/whoever decided for her, in this instance they could see it as a kind of blessing as well as a safety issue. That's a good possible explanation. The question is, how long would the last dosage given to him last before the abilities wear off? For how many months was he a Warden before you meet him at Ostagar? And then how many months till the showdown with the AD? Dawn of the Seeker is low-grade anime but I still liked it. Many of the mages didn't use staves which I thought odd. The grand finale of the film, however, meshes very well with Cass' verbal descriptions about how she became the Right Hand. Given that she rescued the little girl, Avexis, in that film, it's surprising she doesn't interact with Tranquil Avexis at all at Haven. Nor do we hear if Avexis' being made Tranquil affected her views on the subject.
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